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EU Set To Charge Microsoft Over Ruling Breach 254

Posted by samzenpus
from the listen-to-the-law dept.
New submitter quippe writes in with some bad news for Microsoft. "Microsoft Corp will be charged for failing to comply with a 2009 ruling ordering it to offer a choice of web browsers, the European Union's antitrust chief said on Thursday, which could mean a hefty fine for the company. U.S.-based Microsoft's more than decade-long battle with the European Commission has already landed it with fines totaling more than a billion euros ($1.28 billion). The Commission, which opened an investigation into the issue in July, is now preparing formal charges against the company, EU Competition Commissioner Joaquin Almunia said."
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EU Set To Charge Microsoft Over Ruling Breach

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  • by aglider (2435074) on Friday September 28, 2012 @03:16AM (#41485661) Homepage

    If they want to really make any pressure on MS.
    If I fail to pay the fines to city police, they seize my car until I pay.
    The law should be equal to everyone.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Nah, what would make a bigger impact is to revoke Microsoft's copyright in the EU and splash MS software downloads all over the governments websites.

      • by AliasMarlowe (1042386) on Friday September 28, 2012 @03:32AM (#41485703) Journal

        Nah, what would make a bigger impact is to revoke Microsoft's copyright in the EU and splash MS software downloads all over the governments websites.

        And that might have the "unintended" consequences of hurting sales of Apple's shiny-shitty (not exactly a disaster), hurting adoption of Linux and LibreOffice (sad, but not affecting very many), and slightly boosting the sales of anyone making software for Windows (the biggest tragedy).

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by pahles (701275)
      Do you suggest they raid almost every home in the EU to seize all Windows computers? Or do you want the EU to make it impossible for Microsoft to send updates to Windows computers? Or do you want the EU to detain all Microsoft CEOs (or whatever they're called), like they did in Brazil with the Google CEO? Please tell me what it is you want if you say they should ban Windows?
      • by aglider (2435074)

        Eu commission should simply ban Windows for downloads, sales, updates, cloudy stuff and so on.
        Just like (or more strict than) cocaine. It's forbidden to have, to sell, to use, to show and so on.
        Placing a fine without any result but making money is useless as far as the law enforcement is concerned.
        If the EU MS offices/officials would break the law, then they'd apply the law for illegal acts.
        Your question should have been: and what should we do in the meantime?
        My answer is: use the alternatives (Solaris, Lin

    • That's a bit naive.

      People really need to understand exactly how important Microsoft is to the world if you like that concept or not. They provide the computing infrastructure for all your utilities and all your jobs. Everything is machine driven these days and they are the first choice vendor because to be honest, their shit works, is cheap and there are plenty of skilled people out there.

      If this was to happend, first the importers will fall, then the resellers, then the e-commerce outlets, then the busin

      • by aglider (2435074) on Friday September 28, 2012 @04:57AM (#41485971) Homepage

        Microsoft OS is not important, they don't provide any infrastructure at all.
        Servers running Linux and other Unix-like OSes are much more important.
        Most of the PCs you see in offices just run a browser to access a centralized application. When HTML5 will be made the standard, this situation will become more and more widespread.
        Microsoft Internet Explorer is not important any more [toptenreviews.com]. But it should be just a browser, not a piece of software tightly bolted into the OS.
        And when you buy a brand new PC you have to pay also for Windows in almost all the world. whether you like it or not.
        Shops could have PCs without any OS on the shelves. It's be up to the customer to ask for an OS of they choice and later on to choose the browser they like.

        NO, you are definitely wrong. Microsoft is not important. Freedom is.

        • Re: (Score:2, Redundant)

          by pointyhat (2649443)

          I think you are living on another planet. Some corrections:

          They don't provider any infrastructure. Neither does UNIX/Linux. Most of the infrastructure is dedicated hardware still. People like F5, Juniper, Cisco, Alcatel, Lucent etc. Most of this stuff runs on custom platforms and kernels and occasionally something esoteric like Erlang. Hardly any of it sits on *NIX platforms, bar mail relays.

          As for servers running UNIX/Linux - yes there are lots. I mean look at Google, Facebook and most of the hosting com

          • by aglider (2435074)

            I am not 100% sure, but I would bet that all that "dedicated" hardware is just embedded Linux/BSD/QNX/whateverNix.
            For sure is not embedded Windows nor dedicated silicon.
            Please, prove that

            it's all moving to Windows as the value proposition is better

            I don't believe that.
            Security holes ii OSes are the worst beast. Windows holes get fixed in a matter of weeks (to be optimistic). The other OSes get fixes within days.

    • by crazyjj (2598719) *

      The law should be equal to everyone.

      Yeah, because the EU doesn't single out MS at all. I'm sure they also make Apple offer a browser other than Safari in OSX and iOS too.

      Oh wait...

      • by green1 (322787)

        The ruling is specifically about the convicted monopolist. Once Apple reach approx 90% market share on the desktop we can revisit their anti-competitive behaviour, but at their current market share the amount of effect they have on the overall browser usage in the EU is pretty negligible.
         

    • by hairyfeet (841228)

      Why don't we just call it what it REALLY is, which is a cash grab for the debt drowning EU? Look at the numbers [statcounter.com] folks, IE is a fricking corpse. Other than business, which sticks with an older version for some crappy Intranet apps IE has been going down down down quarter after quarter, and even the dumbest of the dumbasses know how to type the word Google into IE and get Firefox or Chrome and the numbers? It shows that. Hell even my little old lady customers come in and I find Firefox or Chrome on their desk

      • by micheas (231635)

        Microsoft had been warned and sworn under oath that the choice screen was there when it was not.

        To bring you up to speed.

        1. Microsoft lost a law suit and was ordered to give status reports about their compliance. Period. Full Stop.
        2. Microsoft said sure no problem, and was allowed to just send in a signed declaration of if they were complying with the order or if there were technical, logistical problems that prevented them from compying with the order.
        3. Microsoft then had difficulty complying with the order and t
  • We keep reading that they're being investigated, charged, "fined", but cut to the chase: what actual sums have left Microsoft's account and gone into the Brussels swill trough?
  • $1.28 billion? No problem, Microsoft can win that back with a patent suit or two !

  • by wvmarle (1070040) on Friday September 28, 2012 @04:54AM (#41485959)

    FTA:

    Market share of Microsoft's Internet Explorer in Europe has roughly halved since 2008 to 29 percent so far this year as it has lost clients mostly to Google's Chrome.

    Chrome controls 29.3 percent of the European browsing market, while Mozilla's Firefox has 30.3 percent of the market, according to web research firm Statcounter.

    That's 90% of the market equally shared over three browsers. With the other 10% for the rest. Well I'd call that a rather healthy situation, and a great progress from 90%+ for IE.

    Browser selection screen or not, the dominance of IE is obviously broken without any other browser becoming dominant, and that I'd say is good. Very good. The next step is a proper html standard, and a standard interpretation/rendering of that standard.

  • Now what about windows and mac app stores with the same lock in??

    and the systems that can only run app store apps?

    • by jader3rd (2222716)

      Now what about windows and mac app stores with the same lock in??

      and the systems that can only run app store apps?

      They're not important.

  • I wish Microsoft would take their Windows and just go home. I'm sure they've already made a bunch of money off of it. See how long a ban in the EU would last.

    First Google, for maybe putting their results higher on their product. No Microsoft for putting their product first on their Operating System. And they let Apple keep selling their iCrack devices just because it has rounded corners. Fuck all govts. This is just a big money grab for the EU to try and shore up some holes in their budget. Before l

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