Cambodia To Extradite Gottfrid Svartholm 126
judgecorp writes "The Cambodian authorities have said they will extradite Gottfrid Svartholm who is wanted in Sweden for his part in founding file sharing site The Pirate Bay. As there is no extradition treaty between Sweden and Cambodia, Svartholm is being extradited under immigration law, so it is not yet clear whether he will actually be sent to Sweden."
Extradition Laws (Score:5, Informative)
I think that it is quite clear by now that the laws don't really matter in cases like this. The MAFIAA will get him one way or another.
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Cambodia has whores, do they have those in Swedish prison?
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Cambodia has whores, do they have those in Swedish prison?
Didn't they make prostitution illegal in Sweden?
If so, then yes, their prisons will be full of whores.
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Sorry, but a bunch of random people saying something on the internet does not a fact make.
Are you referring to the one case eleven years ago where two refugees incorrectly identified as terrorists were kicked out of the country, and using that to say "There you go, see, the whole system is horrible"? The (peer-reviewed) World Justice Project ranks Sweden the best on the planet in terms of fundamental rights. Sweden's lowest ranking is a mere #7, and that's for letting people off the hook too easily.
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The (peer-reviewed) World Justice Project ranks Sweden the best on the planet in terms of fundamental rights.
So, why is Julian Assange so scared of being extradited to Sweden?
Could it be related to the fact that the US obviously have a lot to say in what happens legally in Sweden?
After all, the infamous raid on The Pirate Bay happend just a few days after the Swedish attorney general returned from a 14 day luxury vacation in the USA paid for by the MAFIAA and the US Department of Justice. It was executed based on a warrant signed by the attorney general (who also happens to be a judge) thus breaking the basic sepa
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Oh, give me a break - do you think that the highest profile fugitive on the planet is just going to extrajudicially "disappear"? BTW, do you know what organization it was that revealed that Sweden terminated all refusal to work with the US any more on such programs after that incident?
Wi
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That would make sense if Gottfrid Svartholm was wanted for arrest in the US, but he's not. There's no outstanding warrants or indictments for him.
You've been listening to Julian Assange a little too much. Another person who thinks he'll immediately be extradited to the US from Sweden for a crime that no one has indicted him for here. At least in his case, people in the US actually know who Assange is and want him prosecuted, but no one knows who Gottfrid is. Either way, neither of them are at any immine
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That would make sense if Gottfrid Svartholm was wanted for arrest in the US, but he's not. There's no outstanding warrants or indictments for him.
Of course, they don't want to scare him off. They will promptly post them once he sets his foot on Swedish soil.
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As far as I know, he hasn't broken any criminal laws in the US, although I'm certain he'd be sued within an inch of his life if he was a US national.
Copyright infringement is not a criminal charge in the US, and no one is going to extradite him for a civil suit. Civil suits are private matters, not ones where you will involve extradition.
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I stand corrected. He's fucked.
Actually, I doubt the US will get involved, but reviewing the other examples indicates it's at least possible.
Re:Extradition Laws (Score:5, Informative)
Of course, they don't want to scare him off. They will promptly post them once he sets his foot on Swedish soil.
I seriously hope that when this doesn't happen you will wake up and realize you are completely out of touch with reality. Do you realize you just completely made that up based on purse speculation? Why would you think he'd be extradited to the US, if none of the other pirate bay people were?
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And if it does happen, what will YOU do? (Score:0) by Anonymous
When the facts change, I change my views to match them. Only an idiot would do otherwise.
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The indictment is sealed. [rollingstone.com]
Assange has stated that he will voluntarily return to Sweden if they promise not to hand him over the U.S. Rather than making such an easy promise, TPTB have put Assange's attorney on a terror watch list [indianexpress.com] instead.
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That Indian Express story is recycling of an old story. Saw that same thing a long time ago when it actually happened. Not sure why it suddenly sprung to life again.
Even the leaked conversation of the Aussies, who Assange's followers generally cite as evidence that there was a grand jury, don't believe the indictment claim is what you're making it out to be [sott.net].
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Not sure if you're engaging in situational reasoning. So if Assange waits it out for a couple years in the embassy, will you be demanding that he be left alone because the prosecutor's allegations are "old news"?
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To bad that's another well-debunked lie [guardian.co.uk].
Moron.
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No, that is a myth. I dare you to commit a crime while transiting through an international terminal and see what happens.
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nope. The soil on which an international airport sits, hence any aircraft sitting on the tarmac, is under the full legal jurisdiction of the country to which that soil is attached.
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This guy is wanted by Swedish law, is not wanted by the US. This trope of Sweden being the next repressive police state is absurd.
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I think ... the laws don't really matter in cases like this.
Two words, Pol Pot [nytimes.com]
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To parade your snazz
That you download from the Pirate Bay
Braggin' that you know
How to skip out on a charge
Where the Swedish law's got no say
Deport NOT Extradite (Score:5, Informative)
Deport and Extradite are not the same thing.
Deport - Kick out of the country and we don't care where you go
Extradite - Hand over to the authorities of another country which which you have an extradition treaty.
.. TFS says Extradite. Sheesh .. I'd be embarrassed if I was paying for access to this site.
TFA says Deport
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TFA says:
“We just know we will deport him. As to which country, that would be up to the Swedish side,” the spokesperson said.
Why would it be up to Sweden?
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Manning released content he wasn't authorized to. It wasn't his role/place to do what he did and he did so knowingly. He deserves the book be thrown at him simply because when you agree to the dictates of an oath, you are bound by them. He shouldn't have entered the military if he wasn't going to live up to its requirements upon him.
So you say there is no role out there for whistleblowers? That only outsiders can attempt to uncover because insiders have some sort of loyalty oath?
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Manning broke more than an oath he broke very specific military laws which are a little different than civilian laws. The US is not going to bother with Assange because they do not have a case. Although they will probably remain vague and non-committal on the issue just to keep Assange nervous. The most he could ever be charged with is receiving stolen property and even that charge would be stretching things. The maelstrom has already subsided concerning the released data and the US is not going after Assan
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Manning released content he wasn't authorized to. It wasn't his role/place to do what he did and he did so knowingly. He deserves the book be thrown at him simply because when you agree to the dictates of an oath, you are bound by them. He shouldn't have entered the military if he wasn't going to live up to its requirements upon him.
Utter bullshit. Military or other oaths do not trump morality and humanity. Otherwise the Nuremberg trials and the War Crimes tribunal in the Hague would be pointless and illegal.
You do not and can not abdicate your responsibility to act as a decent human being by saying a few words or signing a piece of paper.
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Manning realized that his responsibility was towards the U.S. people and taxpayers and not towards a few dirtbags in the military hierarchy that should have been put to trial a long time ago.
The main dirtbag being your C-in-C.
He and Blair should be serving 100 year prison sentences for war crimes by now (I don't believe in the death penalty).
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>> Why would it be up to Sweden?
Cambodia fears a replay of the Great Meatball Embargo of 1817.
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Maybe because they will ask us?
Nice of them.
Personally I don't think Anakata is responsible for millions of other peoples copyright violation or should be punished for it. He's not the one commiting the crime (well, I guess helping make it happen is the reason they use but in my ideology/thoughts/reasoning rather than the law.)
Imho the reason the TPB guys are targetted is that they are few and it's much easier to get acceptance for catching them rather than various people themselves (such as the one million
Re:Deport NOT Extradite (Score:4, Interesting)
Probably because the Swedes made the request.
Extradition treaty or not, if the Swedes request him, and there is no bar to complying, the Cambodians can very simply comply with the Swedes' request. If he had not broken immigration law, there would probably be some protections for him, but not necessarily. In this case, the Cambodians want to deport him and the Swedes have asked for his return. There is really no reason for them to not accede to that request.
The interesting thing with a deportation is the deporting country will generally want to place the deportee in a place where they will be able to be taken care of, usually their home country. Sweden is probably very willing to put him up, all expenses paid, in a nice jail cell. Win-win for everyone. Except for Gottfrid Svartholm, of course.
Interesting timing of the arrest (Score:1)
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I wouldn't be surprised. Even if he was not extradited to the US, US interests are served by having him in a Swedish jail.
Or it could be a coincidence. Either way, if the US can snare him more easily for breaking Swedish law, that doesn't seem like a particularly nefarious deed. Unless you're suggesting that Sweden should not enforce its own laws to protect him from a legal indictment in the US and possible extradition.
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TFA says:
“We just know we will deport him. As to which country, that would be up to the Swedish side,” the spokesperson said.
Why would it be up to Sweden?
If you deport someone, you have to decide where you're deporting them to. You don't just take them to your nearest sea border and drop them in the ocean.
Normally you deport people to their country of origin, unless they are in danger of torture/death. I don't see any reason for Cambodia not to deport him to Seden.
I like the suggested reads (Score:1)
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/08/12/220224/is-sexual-harassment-part-of-hacker-culture?sdsrc=popbyskid [slashdot.org]
"Is sexual harassment part of the hacker culture?"
Well.. Just take a look on the Facebook Wikileaks group and the posts after posts after posts regarding Assange and people who think he should get away from a rape investigation.
Funny.
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If you are going to accuse someone of some sort of sexual deviance when the entire NSA and black ops establishment is pissed off at them there better be DAMN good proof. If not whoever makes the accusation should be held with the highest suspicion you can muster. If you think the US if puppeteering people everywhere you must be naive.
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It's just an investigation. He haven't been sentenced. (English isn't my native language but what I mean is that the court haven't decided and judged him for anything.)
I don't know what all you wrote mean but I suppose the suspicion can be pretty low for and an investigation would still be ok. Why should they (the police) ignore an investigation? With total lack of evidence maybe it would be hard to get somewhere and hence one reason.
People blend Swedish police wanting him for questioning in a rape case and
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And yeah sorry for possibly using the wrong words. I don't really know how it is and what words I should use. I think it's questioning? So maybe not investigation. The intent isn't to make it seem worse than it is or trash talk Assange.
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The concern is regardless of the outcome of the rape charges, extradition to Sweden will mean eventual extradition from Sweden to the US. If your goal was to get him to Sweden as the first step in getting him to the US, these charges are a great vehicle for the purpose - they're purely based on accusation with no associated physical evidence. Assuming the Swedes are willing to extradite him to the US, it doesn't matter if the rape case falls apart the minute he sets foot on Swedish soil. Eventually he'll
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He is wanted for questioning and arrest. You can not arrest him over video chat.
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They will deport him to another country where he will be extradited. Easy-peasy.
I must say, I'm rather disappointed by the lack of civil disobedience in these sorts of cases recently. The perps flee jurisdictions to save their own skins, rather than show how corrupt the system is by being unjustly imprisoned. What would Dr. King say? Nelson Mandela didn't flee to Angola to escape an unfair judicial system. A fleeing perp is just another lousy criminal, a martyr is a hero forever.
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Dr. King would be in the Supermax right now.
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Civil disobedience does not imply in surrendering yourself, it means fighting the system. The act of not complying with government decisions as criminal sentences or arrest warrants is civil disobedience in itself.
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Civil disobedience does not imply in surrendering yourself, it means fighting the system.
Actually, what separates civil disobedience from general resistance against unjust laws is pretty much acceptance of the consequences. Do you think Rosa Parks tried to run away before the arrival of the police who were summoned? The bus driver stood in front of Ms. Parks and told her if she didn't stand up and move, he would "have to" call the police and have her arrested. She replied that she recognized that was his prerogative, and stood her ground.
In Sophocles' play, Antigone decides that there is an imp
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It's not a matter of opinion. It's common [thefreedictionary.com] usage [stanford.edu].
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Utter nonsense. That's not civil disobedience. That's defying institutional tyranny and evil. That's intervention against mass murder.
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Is that actually true, or is it just what you want to believe? "Gitmo" is for terrorists captured on the battlefield, although a certain sort of person will not be dissuaded from believing otherwise.
Afghanistan only became a "battlefield" because the US invaded a sovereign country.
If US troops invaded my country and started killing my neighbours, I would feel entitled to try to kill as many of them as possible. If that is your definition of a terrorist, then fuck you.
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To complicate it further, what's going on with Assange is yet another term altogether, "surrender" - surrendering (under an EAW) being neither deportation nor extradition, but more like what goes on between states in the US with handing a prisoner between jurisdictions.
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While that's technically true, there's a difference between leaving a country and being deported. When you leave it's your choice where you go next. When you're deported the government typically decides where you go - almost always to the country on your passport. In this case it would be very unusual for him to end up in any country other than Sweden. Even if it's not technically extradition, you'll be hard pressed to find a practical difference.
Related? (Score:1)
Any change the first and the last item are in any way related?
What's Cambodia getting out of the deal? (Score:5, Interesting)
I visited a friend in Phnom Penh a couple of years ago. They have lots of "DVD shops" in any of their shopping areas. 100% of the DVDs are pirated. If you want a non-pirated DVD, you have to find an airport. I think there's also one high class mall that contains one dvd store with non-pirated DVDs and software.
Cambodia has no taxes. The money the government runs on is half bribes and half foreign aid. To bring in more foreign aid, they know they have to stop piracy, but that's their only incentive. When foreign ambassadors come to visit, they'll send out a signal to all the DVD shops, and they'll all close down. 3 days later, they all come back.
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The proper question is, what would Cambodia get out of a high profile extradition fight?
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I visited a friend in Phnom Penh a couple of years ago. They have lots of "DVD shops" in any of their shopping areas. 100% of the DVDs are pirated.
The US, when it was parting ways with the British, was the same way; publishing texts with British copyright. All first world countries ignored copyrights and patents of other countries until their local publishers established themselves because there just wasn't all that much original content available. Then the newly-established country, with its now active content-producing businesses, starts making agreements with other first world publishers while harassing poorer countries for ignoring copyrights, pat
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Look it up, Cambodia has business taxes. Cambodia has corporate income tax, and also additional taxes for companies that deal in natural resources.
Rapists, Murderers, and Bank Robbers thank you (Score:4, Funny)
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You probably meant "not much difference" or "same concept". If you say "same difference", you would need to have two or more differences to compare.
You are quite wrong.
"Same difference" is a slightly joky English colloquialism which means "there is no difference between them". Whether it makes sense logically is irrelevant, although I suppose you could define it as meaning "the differences between A and B are the same, in that there are none".
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Hold now, Assange is innocent. We've all heard him say so many, many times. He's not trying to use diplomacy to get the charges dropped - quite to the contrary, he wants to go back to Sweden! He just wants guarantees (regardless of whether or not giving them would be illegal) that he won't be extradited to the US, and then he'll happily go back to Sweden to clear his name. *That's* what he's negotiating for, not to get the case dropped. Come on, Julian, tell them! [google.com].
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Right, that's why they have an attorney who's pressing forward with the charges, right? Clearly they just don't know they have an attorney, poor ignorant damsels!
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Because I bet you didn't ask *every* time, did you. And didn't wait until she *completely woke up before frottaging, right? Then by the definition you're accusing JA of being a rapist, you are one too!
Oddly enough, most people do have definite permission (even if unspoken) before having sex, and don't start making love to an unconscious partner they don't know very well.
Anyway, if you want to complain about Sweden's definitions of rape/unlawful sex or whatever, go ahead, but it's irrelevant to whether Assange has broken their laws.
If I visit one of your fine US States where (say) oral sex is illegal and I get caught with my dick down someone's throat by a cop, I can't use "but it's not illegal at h
I Guess.... (Score:4, Funny)
Kill the Pirates!! (Score:1)
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I feel much safer sleeping at night know that people who share movies and songs are perused with the same tenacity as Nazi war criminals. The world is much safer knowing this vermin is almost apprehended. God save the queen!!
What's our Queen got to do with the insanity of US law enforcement?
WSJ (Score:2)
The truth is extradion just like Assange Wikileaks (Score:1)
I could have broken this story; before it was issued and I do not need to read the article as the person gets deported to Sweden and then onto the USA.
Russia Today was first out of the blocks with this! Danke Timothy and others this story is informative and some people might hate the truth but the story is exactly what it is!
Svartholm is not wanted for file-sharing (Score:2)
It's important the appreciate that the Swedish arrest warrant for Svartholm isn't for file-sharing, it's for skipping bail and fleeing after his last round of appeals failed. Irrespective of the soundness of the original trail, the guy is a fugitive with a current conviction who's sentence has not been served. The charges he will face if he is caught now are far more serious than the ones he faced with Pirate Bay.
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Have you actually seen the USD/EUR rates? It's at the same levels as before the crisis/loans.