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Penurious Penguin writes "A few days ago, news of an ex-marine detained for his Facebook posts reached far and wide throughout the interweb. It was a hotly debated affair and considered from many perspectives. Today, a judge has ordered the release of Brandon Raub, citing a lack of facts regarding the detention. It's a strange case, undoubtedly, but perhaps even stranger when taking into account a few things. For example, Raub reportedly made claims that one of the psychiatrists involved in the case threatened him with forced medication. For history polymaths, government proposals of forced medication may not be a surprise; you may remember the case of Susan Lindauer. The situation may also remind of 2009, when Fusion Centers targeted Ron Paul supporters, certain universities, and conspiracy theorists as threats to national security, even logging anti death-penalty and anti-war activists into federal terrorism databases. Personally, I find myself wondering what sorts of epic dangers someone like Noam Chomsky might seem to pose after a stressful day and a few beers, if overheard by certain departments."
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  • by crazyjj (2598719) * on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:02AM (#41109745)

    I don't know if this guy was ever a real threat to anyone or not, but he certainly isn't some super-patriot or free speech hero. He's mentally ill, and really does need help (even if you can't force it). The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

    Whatever you think of the free speech issues involved, please don't celebrate this dude. He's very sick and needs help.

    • ... bizarre as his fantasy world.
      • by lexsird (1208192) on Friday August 24, 2012 @11:05AM (#41110777)

        That smacks of Illuminati conspiracy theories. The Internet is a complete cesspool of half baked conspiracy theories that the mentally stressed or ill should not be exposed to. Information overload.

        The military really needs to deprogram these guys and integrate them back into the population. I would propose a type of "Combat Engineering" program, to shift these guys into some good paying, hard working jobs back home, via prepping them for things like road construction. We need to rework the infrastructure, unless we are just going to let the country fall into a vast wasteland. I present to you the concept of a Trans Americas Highway system, to tie the entire continents of North and South America together. A big project, but very handy for developing this part of the world. It's what advanced civilizations do.

        That or something like it, to burn off a decade of war stress, by building something. Let's build it here, fuck them. They need to build something.

        • by djlowe (41723) * on Friday August 24, 2012 @03:51PM (#41114723)

          The military really needs to deprogram these guys and integrate them back into the population. I would propose a type of "Combat Engineering" program, to shift these guys into some good paying, hard working jobs back home, via prepping them for things like road construction. We need to rework the infrastructure, unless we are just going to let the country fall into a vast wasteland. I present to you the concept of a Trans Americas Highway system, to tie the entire continents of North and South America together. A big project, but very handy for developing this part of the world. It's what advanced civilizations do.

          That or something like it, to burn off a decade of war stress, by building something. Let's build it here, fuck them. They need to build something.

          I present to you, a person who goes by the nickname "lexsird", who thinks that the solution to these kinds of problems is to compell members of the military, eligible to muster out honorably, to participate in forced manual labor for the "greater good", because "lexsird" wants a North/South American highway system, wants to rebuild the infrastructure in the US, and thinks that forced labor is the way to go.

          Sure, sure, we'll pay 'em well, and it's for their own good, after all - Hell, ain't no kinda mental problem can't be fixed by some good, old-fashioned manual labor! And, if'n they get outta line? Well, we gots lotsa ways to deal with that, too!

          You ARE correct in stating that the highway infrastructure in the US needs rebuilding, and since you seem so concerned about it? Rather than volunteer others for it, why not volunteer yourself? Oh, yeah, that's right - manual labor isn't for the likes of you, right?

          Let's build it here, fuck them.

          Goddamn right! Fuck the veterans!

          They need to build something.

          That's the only thing in your post with which I agree. However, that something isn't roads, it's their lives. THEIR lives, on THEIR terms. Your complete lack of empathy, your cookie-cutter approach to what is an enormously complex and difficult issue, one which you've proven by your words that you've never experienced, tells me that you're clueless, at best.

          It's what advanced civilizations do.

          Yes, that's exactly what advanced civilizations do: Public works using forced labor comprised of miltary veterans returned from the battlefield after serving their country honorably. Yup, that's exactly correct.

          So, what do you do for an encore? Forced sterilization of people with physical or mental defects?

          Sorry, but I am not interested in your ideas, nor do I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

          Regards,

          dj

    • by cultiv8 (1660093) on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:06AM (#41109805) Homepage

      The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

      So he's probably a frequent AC on /.?

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      The most unbelievable thing in that scenario is that Bush is smart enough to pull such a thing off.

      Maybe he means it as a code or a metaphor. :-)

      But, yeah, the flying saucer men are probably really the flying saucer men.

      Free cookie to anyone getting that reference.

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward
        OK, you lost me at "Bush is smart enough".
      • by cpu6502 (1960974) on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:40AM (#41110365)

        (1) I wanted to comment that those who said the marine "deserved to be jailed" were wrong. The cops handed-in a blank piece of paper!!! Basically the cops arrested him without causes and this shit should not be happening in America. Thankfully we had a judge who still serves the Virginia Constitution (shall not be deprived of freedom w/o due process) and released the man ASAP.

        (2) The "version" of this Bilderberg theory I hear is that Bush is dumb as dirt. He was just a puppet that was used by Cheney and other connected men to manipulate things behind the scenes. (This same theory also claims Obama is a puppet.) Here's a photo that is frequently used. It's Bush's head but overlaid with an Obama mask..... meaning nothing has really changed except the frontman:

        http://www.dokumentarci.com.hr/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/The_Obama_Deception_by_virtuadc.jpg [dokumentarci.com.hr]

        • Did you reply to the right post? Personally, I think the guy needs help, not jail, but the mental health landscape in this country is abysmal.

      • Free cookie to anyone getting that reference.

        Is it a tracking cookie?

        PS I'm not paranoid. And I have new socks on.

    • by arth1 (260657) on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:11AM (#41109877) Homepage Journal

      He's mentally ill

      How, exactly, do you know this? You have the qualifications to set a diagnosis and have enough data to comfortably do so?

      The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

      Again, how do you know this?

      The pope is secretly an ant-eater, and Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait.

      There. You now think you have enough evidence to conclude that (a) I believe that, and (b) are insane?

      Leave the diagnoses to the professionals, please.

      • by postbigbang (761081) on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:16AM (#41109949)

        Making observations based on superficial evidence is usually pretty dicey, but the opinions he ostensibly represents would lead one to believe that there are paranoid delusions being spouted, rather than random disinformation usually attributed to political parties.

        In your case, being obviously preposterous is much different than being delusional. While professionals are the ultimate observers, we civilians can make reasonably educated guesses ourselves.

        • by arth1 (260657)

          In your case, being obviously preposterous is much different than being delusional.

          Or he might be better at trolling than I am.

          A mental leap from "A posts B" to "A means B", and then drawing further conclusions based on that, to the point that they trump the first amendment, is a dangerous thing to do.
          I think we should avoid those waters - there be krakens.

          • by PhrstBrn (751463)

            Or he might be better at trolling than I am.

            For fucks sake, acting like an idiot on purpose isn't trolling.

      • by crazyjj (2598719) * on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:26AM (#41110123)

        How, exactly, do you know this? You have the qualifications to set a diagnosis and have enough data to comfortably do so?

        Well, I suppose it's always possible that the homeless guy at the subway station who's talking to invisible people and carrying around a jar of his own urine ISN'T actually mentally ill, but is in fact a psychic who can talk to the dead--but only with the help of concentrated urine. Only a Ph.D. in Psychology can pierce through that unknown veil and reveal the truth of the matter (since part of the Psychology Ph.D. program at any major university involves learning to distinguish the real conspiracies/psychics/mediums/etc. from the fake ones, presumably). Until then, we should all probably give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that it's just as likely that he's NOT mentally ill (until we can find a board-certified Psychologist to tell us differently).

        Or, maybe the homeless guy is making a giant meta-joke on the world. Being a homeless guy talking to invisible people is secretly all part of his MFA thesis performance art piece entitled "Homeless Guy Who Appears Mentally Ill, But Isn't." Again, since there is no way to be sure, we should probably treat this as equally a possibility.

        • by arth1 (260657)

          Well, I suppose it's always possible that the homeless guy at the subway station who's talking to invisible people and carrying around a jar of his own urine ISN'T actually mentally ill, but is in fact a psychic who can talk to the dead--but only with the help of concentrated urine.

          It may be possible that the homeless guy does these things knowing fully well how crazy it will seem, and does them for that exact reason -- a cry for help.

          Or it may be that either medication, malnutrition or substance use trigger delusions that would go away if the cause was rectified.

          Stop jumping to conclusions, folks.

      • by FacePlant (19134) on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:29AM (#41110173)

        > Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait.

        Wrong Canadian. It was Supreme General Leonard Cohen.

      • by Antarius (542615) on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:29AM (#41110177)

        Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait.

        So he's responsible for inflicting atrocities and human suffering on a grand scale AND of an act of war?!

      • Again, how do you know this? The pope is secretly an ant-eater, and Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait. There. You now think you have enough evidence to conclude that (a) I believe that, and (b) are insane? Leave the diagnoses to the professionals, please.

        You are indeed insane. Note because of your sentence about the pope, that is your only true statement in there. It's your stuff that makes you insane.

        And if you're not, we'll drive you there.

        • by arth1 (260657)

          You are indeed insane. Note because of your sentence about the pope, that is your only true statement in there. It's your stuff that makes you insane.

          Don't touch my stuff!

        • by cheekyboy (598084)

          is believing in god or jesus or other profets as equally insane?

          Prove that god exists dude.

          • Simple.

            Let God = 0.
            Let Exists = 1.
            Also, let x and y be numbers such that x=y.

            Then we have:
            x^2 = xy
            x^2 - y^2 = xy - y^2
            x + y = y
            2 y = y
            2 = 1
            1 = 0.
            But since 0 = God, and 1 = Exists, we have
            God = Exists,
            QED.

            You are so wrong.
            • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

              by Anonymous Coward

              Nice try on the math, but...

              1) You can't make the leap from x^2 - y^2 = xy - y^2 to x + y = y. Simplifying line 2 would result in x^2 - y^2 = y(x - y), which doesn't lead to line 3 in any way.

              2) The correct way to solve this (from line 2 down) is:

              x^2 - xy = y^2 - y^2 = 0
              x(x - y) = 0

              Solution is that x = 0 and/or (x - y) = 0, which means that x = y, for any values of x and y.

              3) Because of that, you have no basis to try to claim QED.

              Personally, I don't care if you believe in God or not, but if you're going to

          • Prove that He doesn't.

      • He's mentally ill

        How, exactly, do you know this? You have the qualifications to set a diagnosis and have enough data to comfortably do so?

        Judge orders Chesterfield Marine's release from psychiatric facility [nbc12.com]

        However, Raub's defense attorney admitted in court that during Raub's evaluation, mental health professionals found signs of "psychosis."

      • He's mentally ill

        How, exactly, do you know this? You have the qualifications to set a diagnosis and have enough data to comfortably do so?

        The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

        Again, how do you know this?

        The pope is secretly an ant-eater, and Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait.

        There. You now think you have enough evidence to conclude that (a) I believe that, and (b) are insane?

        Leave the diagnoses to the professionals, please.

        (a) No you don't believe that, I can tell by the context of your statement.
        (b) You seem rational enough, but if you truly did believe that the pope is secretly an ant-eater, Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait, and you posted violent rhetoric I would be worried about the safety of you and others around you.

        There are two kinds of people that post crazy stuff on the internet the people that truly believe it and the trolls, his posts do not seem like the work of a troll unless he was trolling people

    • by Hatta (162192) on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:16AM (#41109951) Journal

      You're right the free speech issues here are minimal. The real problem is how we deal with the mentally ill in this country. He needs help, not prison.

      Unfortunately, in this puritanical country mental illness is treated like demonic posession. That is, something to punish the victim for to make ourselves feel more righteous. That's even more sick than this guy is.

      • Kafka (Score:5, Insightful)

        by arth1 (260657) on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:31AM (#41110203) Homepage Journal

        He should have an offer of the very best help possible, paid for by the same people who paid for him being a marine.

        I'm not so sure that he should be forced into treatment until and unless he causes harm, not just talk. That opens up for Kafkanesque abuse.

      • by Baloroth (2370816) on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:35AM (#41110293)

        You're right the free speech issues here are minimal. The real problem is how we deal with the mentally ill in this country. He needs help, not prison.

        And thats why they took him to a mental hospital (John Randolph Psychiatric Hospital, to be specific) and not prison. He wasn't technically arrested or charged with any crime at all, it was a "civil commitment" (which law exists, I believe, to hold individuals who are believed to be a potential danger to themselves/others).

        • Just be careful where this leads you, especially when the case involves someone's political beliefs in one way or another.

          To remind, in late Soviet Union there was that practice where they declared dissidents insane. Very easy, actually: those people were claiming that Soviet regime was bad and nasty, and obviously any sane person can see just how awesome it actually is (and hey, they're lynching Negroes in America!), so clearly badmouthing it a sign of insanity. So this was used to lock undesired people ou

          • by hey! (33014)

            Well, this is the biggest problem of any political system: every power we give the government is subject to abuse. Yes, the Soviets used mental illness as a pretense to silence dissidents, but the also used the power a state has to imprison people for similar purposes -- as China does today. Everybody (except for anarchists) think the state should *have* the power to imprison people, but it's probably the single most abused power there is.

            We give the police the privilege of bashing in somebody's door and s

        • by sjames (1099)

          If you are taken away and held somewhere against your will, it is indistinguishable from arrest and imprisonment. It certainly is not 'help'.

          Otherwise, you start to see things like 'sluggishly progressive schizophrenia'. For reasons never properly understood, that particular mental illness only struck political dissidents in the old Soviet Union. The only known 'help' for the disease was confinement to a psychiatric facility in remote parts of Siberia and heavy medication. Evidently espousing the official d

      • by cheekyboy (598084)

        Then all people that believe in gods or promote mythical fairy tales (disney) are promoting insanity? What santa isnt real?

        Why does every parent lie to their children about Cokacola santa and the Nestle bunny?

      • in this puritanical country

        WHAT? You mean that a country with a huge pornography addiction, widespread promiscuity, high STD infection rates, is "puritanical"?

    • The cases always get a bit more interesting if the feds are involved(because institutionalizing pesky dissidents for being crazy would be a convenient thing to be able to do); but there are a lot of much more prosaic involuntary psych commitments. A suicide attempt will probably earn you one, as will psychosis or delusions sufficiently strong and unpleasant to render you likely to violence toward yourself or others.

      For obvious reasons, this corner of medicine really does bear considerable watching; but it o

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Here's an interview with the guy while he was still being detained: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sX1EvM6XksM [youtube.com]
      He may be "sick" but he doesn't sound like it. I have met people with some very weird beliefs and they haven't and wouldn't harm a fly.
      Another interesting discussion on the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMo6BrDbDQE [youtube.com]
    • He's mentally ill, and really does need help

      And you're basing this diagnosis on what exactly?
      • by crazyjj (2598719) *

        And you're basing this diagnosis on what exactly?

        On the fact that I've been to George Bush's child-raping castle and can verify that there are absolutely no child sacrifices going on. It's strictly rape, no killing. To suggest otherwise is obviously crazy.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by cpu6502 (1960974)

      >>>He's mentally ill, and really does need help (even if you can't force it).

      I friended him on facebook, and then start chatting with his friends. They say he's a quiet person and the kindest person they know.

      >>>The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes

      Provide citation or retract the libel.

      >>>He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government

      Well this part is true. He does believe th

      • by crazyjj (2598719) * on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:48AM (#41110521)

        Provide citation or retract the libel.

        July 28, 2012 Facebook post from Raub:

        “If you are my friend, you deserve to know the truth. This world is secretly run by a shadow organization of people who among other things enjoy raping children. Some of leaders were involved with the bombing of the twin towers. It was a sacrifice and a complete inside job. Also the Bush’s are very sick twisted problems. I believe they have a secret Castle in Colorado where they have been raping and sacrificing children for many years. Think I’m crazy? Think again.”

      • by tbannist (230135)

        Provide citation or retract the libel.

        He posted that it on his facebook page [networkworld.com]:

        July 28 at 11:15 am
        If you are my friend, you deserve to know the truth. This world is secretly run by a shadow organization of people who among other things enjoy raping children. some of the leaders were involved with the bombing of the twin towers. It was a sacrifice and a complete inside job. Also the Bush's are very sick twisted problems. I believe they have a secret Castle in Colorado where they have been raping and sacrificing children for many years. Think

      • by cheekyboy (598084)

        Correct this, to lots of un-elected leaders.

        Please list all the attendees, and which are elected.

        Which are leaders in what.

        How rich they are.

        How they know.

        How they are married to (ie interfamily ties with other prominent families/circles).

    • by sl4shd0rk (755837)

      He's very sick and needs help.

      Not the core issue causing all the fuss. Core issue is that he is being locked up for what he allegedly "said" in a facebook post. Second issue is the ongoing mistreatment of civilians by douhebag cops who think they are above the law. People are sick of it.

      Besides, there are homeless people all over the city who are just as delusional as this guy. Are you going to force medication on them "just in case" they actually do something illegal?

      Until someone actually breaks the law, or is endangering themselves

    • by gmanterry (1141623) on Friday August 24, 2012 @11:01AM (#41110707) Journal

      I don't know if this guy was ever a real threat to anyone or not, but he certainly isn't some super-patriot or free speech hero. He's mentally ill, and really does need help (even if you can't force it). The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

      Whatever you think of the free speech issues involved, please don't celebrate this dude. He's very sick and needs help.

      Here is a link to what is supposed to be on his FaceBook page:

      http://wtvr.com/2012/08/21/full-text-brandon-raubs-proclamation-take-our-republic-back/ [wtvr.com]

      I don't see any references to Bush or children and being a former Marine myself, I agree with what he says. If he was arrested for this, it is just wrong and they need to put me away too.

    • Sick or not, intellectually he's spot on. Reread his concerns about US and war and taxes.

      Then pretend you're a large scale fraudster with control over (literally) trillions of dollars, and key control points peppered throughout US government. Then consider how YOU would design and run a large scale fraud (Commons Fraud). Then consider how YOU would use your government control points to fleece unwitting tax payers out of billions and trillions of dollars per year.

      Perhaps you see Brandon Raub's concerns.

  • History polymath? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by gazbo (517111) on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:08AM (#41109821)
    A polymath in a specific subject?
    • by Baloroth (2370816)
      A person with a wide range of historical knowledge, as opposed to an expert in one field (like the American Civil War or ancient Greece). Strictly speaking, you be a polymath in a specific field if that field in turn has a large variety of largely separate sub-fields, although it is not generally used that way. The term makes sense, although it really doesn't seem relevant or required here at all.
    • Maybe my writing could use some improvements, but so could some of the arguments around here. Since history covers myriad subjects, I expect it is a large enough realm of study to make room for a polymath. There are enough subjects in this world to prohibit even a polymath from being an expert in history. I have in fact, never read anything holding that all polymaths are necessarily outstanding history buffs. And I am certainly not making any claims for myself; I simply chose a less than perfect term to de
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:09AM (#41109853)

    More troops are coming home. A lot of them spent a lot of time overseas, and despite the intense media spin that says otherwise, we did some really messed up shit over there.

    We took bright-eyed young people raised in an age of hope and peace and dropped them in to the middle of a secratarian human rights mess and forced them to watch the destruction of countless families and lives first hand.. And often by actions of their own hands.

    Now that they're home we don't need them anymore, and we'll tell them to suck it up and deal with it. We're sorry you had to watch your buddies get blown up by a roadside bomb. We're sorry you had to watch some child bleed out and die in your arms. We just don't want to pay for the costs of treating your trauma.

    • How many stories? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by cultiv8 (1660093) on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:30AM (#41110183) Homepage
      The June 2010 issue of the Archives of General Psychiatry published a study of 18,300 Army soldiers screened at 3 and 12 month intervals following deployment in Iraq. The study found that using “the least stringent definition” for PTSD, rates now range between 20 and 30 percent, and depression rates are at 11.5 and 16 percent.[2] Together this accounts for almost a third of our troops now suffering serious functional mental impairment. source [globalresearch.ca]
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        The depression rate seems to be lower than the national average.

        http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-numbers-count-mental-disorders-in-america/index.shtml

        Mood Disorders
        Mood disorders include major depressive disorder, dysthymic disorder, and bipolar disorder.
        Approximately 20.9 million American adults, or about 9.5 percent of the U.S. population age 18 and older in a given year, have a mood disorder.1,2
        The median age of onset for mood disorders is 30 years.5
        Depressive disorders often co-occur with

    • We took bright-eyed young people raised in an age of hope and peace and dropped them in to the middle of a secratarian human rights mess and forced them to watch the destruction of countless families and lives first hand.. And often by actions of their own hands.

      No, we volunteered for it.

      And a lot of troops did spend time overseas, but most of them weren't in infantry, nor were they in combat. I'm not sure how this country fails so miserably at taking care of a few (A few in this case being a small fraction of a percentage of the entire population).

  • Forced medication (Score:2, Insightful)

    by operagost (62405)
    Most Slashdotters are for mandatory vaccinations, so why would you ever be against forced medication? Clearly, these people are a danger to society.
    • Re:Forced medication (Score:4, Informative)

      by DL117 (2138600) on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:23AM (#41110079) Homepage

      Because vaccinations that prevent deadly disease with almost no side effects are very different than psychoactive drugs.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by cpu6502 (1960974)

        This is my body.
        That means I have the right to abort if I get pregnant.

        This is my body.
        That means I have the right to drink until I pass out.

        This is my body.
        This means I have the right to have sex with my girl or my best guy. Or even in a swingers party.

        This is my body.
        This means I have the right to choose where I work and trade my body's labor for money.

        This is my body.
        This means I have the right to be free, and not a serf (unpaid work).

        This is my body.
        This means I have the right to smoke. Or not.

        This is

        • This is my body.
          This means I have the right to be free, and not a serf (unpaid work).

          I don't think anybody truly believes that as long as you accept things like safety net or free emergency care (which even most libertarians do), never mind all the other welfare programs that liberals can dream up. We all happily accept to work up to half of our working hours for the benefit of someone else.

    • by RKThoadan (89437)

      Actually, it's not remotely clear that "these people" are a danger to society. Some of them might be, and in that situation medication or incarceration are options, and if a person prefers incarceration to medication I'll respect their preference.

    • by MrLizard (95131)

      Because there's no difference between protecting a child from the stupidity of their parents, when they are incapable of making the decision for themselves, and altering someone's mind because the government doesn't like what they're thinking, when they haven't committed a crime or been shown to be in the process of actively planning to commit a crime in the near future.

      (I have to wonder, though, if there's a way to contain the harm morons do to their children without forced vaccinations. I dislike forced a

      • by cpu6502 (1960974)

        >>> I'm thinking we start with a "No Vaccination" list, like a sex offender list.

        Yeah because the Sex Offender list has been oh-so-fair. There are people who have downloaded, for example, bestiality photos and served their 10 years in jail for the so-called "crime". Or they had sex as a teenager and served their 5 years for the "crime" of statutory rape. - Then they get out but because they are on the S.O. list they cannot rent an apartment. Or buy a house. Or even stay at a hotel.

        The sex off

    • Most Slashdotters are for mandatory vaccinations, so why would you ever be against forced medication?

      I would be against forced vaccinations, if it was done on a daily basis and required forced indefinite daily detention to make it happen.

      In the case of Lindauer, the case was actually preposterous. If you really believed, as the government did, that the woman psychic was paranoid and had delusions of grandeur ever since the age of seven years old. And if you didn't know, as the government didn't seem to know, what exactly she did for Iraq -- except for getting paid by them. Then, moving the case forward was

  • by SensitiveMale (155605) on Friday August 24, 2012 @10:12AM (#41109893)

    not ex-Marine

    • by cultiv8 (1660093)
      Mod up, he was a decorated marine and was not dishonorably discharged.
    • by mcgrew (92797) * on Friday August 24, 2012 @03:18PM (#41114217) Homepage Journal

      When I worked at Disney, a fellow I worked with was a retired police officer. He referred to himself as an "ex-cop". A musician I met once named Dwayne Mahoney also referred to himself as an "ex-cop", he had resigned his police job in New York to seek fame in California (he did later).

      "Ex" simply refers to "used to be". As in "I used to be married to my ex-wife".

      A little checking finds no dictionary definition (except the urban dictionary, which isn't a real dictionar in my eyes), ask.com says "No such thing. Once a Marine, always a Marine."

      The US marine birthplace memorial web site says

      Once a Marine, Always a Marine: This truism was adopted as the official motto of the Marine Corps League. The origin of the statement is credited to a gung-ho Marine Corps Master Sergeant, Paul Woyshner. During a barroom argument he shouted, "Once a Marine, always a Marine!" MSgt. Woyshner was right. Once the title "U.S. Marine" has been earned, it is retained. There are no ex-Marines or former-Marines. There are (1) active duty Marines, (2) retired Marines, (3) reserve Marines, and (4) Marine veterans. Nonetheless, once one has earned the title, he remains a Marine for life.

      So one doesn't have to be fired from the police force to be an ex-cop, you can split peacefully from your ex-wife (it happens sometimes), but you can't be an ex-marine.

      Did the X-Men all get sex change operations?

  • General Sara Suten Seti will give you crazy!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgTHureu12Q [youtube.com]

  • "Personally, I find myself wondering..."

    What the heck, Slashdot? I can understand people submitting sensational posts, but you can EDIT them if you want to.

    • If looked at through a high school mentality, I imagine you have a point. But I never went to either highschool or middle school -- although I do have a couple university years behind me and I still keep trying.

      Your comment irritates me for several reasons. I'll try to explain:
      As an examination of current government criteria befitting the terms "terrorism" and "extremism" will show (feel free to follow some of the links in the article), a growing and arguably dubious array of views are steadily being a
  • "...a civil war, the Revolution is coming."

    This is exactly what Texas Republican Tom Head said recently, though with the added twist of UN troops invading Lobbock. Will he be picked up as well?

  • by Leafwiz (1704388) on Friday August 24, 2012 @12:41PM (#41112229)

    Lawyer from The Rutherford Institute talks about the case on Alex Jones Show.

    Psychiatrist Threatens & Terrorizes Marine Over 9/11 Facebook Posts
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8XuQWsXsZo&feature=g-all-u [youtube.com]

    Talks about that Civil liberties in the US is getting attacked, and that Veterans are getting targeted by government harassment.

    "The Rutherford Institute is a non-profit organization based in Charlottesville, Virginia dedicated to the defense of civil liberties and human rights. The organization was founded by its current president, John W. Whitehead, in 1982.[1] The Rutherford Institute offers free legal services to those who have had their rights threatened or violated. The Rutherford Institute has a network of affiliate attorneys across the United States and funds its efforts through donations. In addition to its offer of legal services, the organization offers free educational materials for those interested in the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. "

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutherford_Institute [wikipedia.org]

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