Expect Mandatory 'Big Brother' Black Boxes In All New Cars From 2015 628
New submitter Kraftwerk writes "A bill already passed by the Senate and set to be rubber stamped by the House would make it mandatory for all new cars in the United States to be fitted with black box data recorders from 2015 onwards. Section 31406 of Senate Bill 1813 (known as MAP-21), calls for 'Mandatory Event Data Recorders' to be installed in all new automobiles and legislates for civil penalties to be imposed against individuals for failing to do so. 'Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, to require, beginning with model year 2015, that new passenger motor vehicles sold in the United States be equipped with an event data recorder that meets the requirements under that part,' states the bill."
The next step? (Score:4, Insightful)
And in all new persons from 2016.
(Maybe old ones too)
Your Car Likely Has A Black Box ALREADY (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/04/19/hate-to-break-it-to-you-but-your-car-likely-has-a-black-box-spying-on-you-already/ [forbes.com]
Re:Your Car Likely Has A Black Box ALREADY (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Your Car Likely Has A Black Box ALREADY (Score:5, Informative)
The bill references Title 49 part 563 of the US Code of Federal Regulations, which you can find here.
http://www.harristechnical.com/downloads/49CFR563.pdf
No GPS position. Speed, throttle, steering, seatbelt use, airbag deployment, etc. etc. are there.
Re:Your Car Likely Has A Black Box ALREADY (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, once you get all this in the car....not a problem next year, adding a rider to the "We love children and have to protect them act"..which requires GPS, and also transmittable to authorities information.
I mean...it *is* already on the car...we're just adding a new safety feature.
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Also, if your car as On*Star, snip the antennae, and short the thing out.
They track your location, and listen to your cabin conversations in real-time.
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So they listen to everyones conversations in real-time?
That would take around an eighth or a quarter of society to accomplish.
Even if they recorded everything and converted everything to text that would still be so much information it would be a significant portion of all information transmitted over the internet.
I have a Hyundai, it has their version of Onstar called Bluelink, they can track just about any feature of my car at will, but their network is still young as is their software so I rather doubt th
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They don't have to monitor everybody all the time. All that matters is that they can do it, and that Murphy's Law happens.
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link [cnet.com]
(*) this decision is only applicable in California, Oregon, Nevada, Washington, Hawaii, and other states that fall within the 9th Circuit's jurisdiction.
Re:Your Car Likely Has A Black Box ALREADY (Score:5, Funny)
I have a bicycle, so I laugh at your post-apocalyptic dependence on fossil fuels.
Since, you know, I'm a farmer, doctor, engineer, and marksman. Also my bike doesn't require lubricant or tires for some reason.
Citizen. You are speeking in an unsafe manner. (Score:5, Funny)
And in all new persons from 2016.
(Maybe old ones too)
Citizen. You're concern is noted and quite unnecessary. It is a matter of safety and we all want safety after all.
Well, I don't know about you, but the thing that totally irks me is when my other citizens feel it necessary to run red lights - not only scaring me but threatening the safety of my children, my fellow drivers and myself of course.
We are all in agreement here, I am sure.
Then there is highway and interstate driving. Unfortunately, there are folks who seem to think that obeying traffic law - such as passing and speed limit laws - are optional and there seems to be an attitude of entitlement. We all don't want that.
Anything that helps with the enforcement of such unsafe and deviant behavior is welcomed by everyone including yourself.
Compliance in necessary from all and will be enforced.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Palm crystals used in "Logan's Run" (Score:3)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan's_Run [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan's_Run_(film) [wikipedia.org]
"To track this, the humans are implanted at birth with a Lifeclock crystal in the palm of their hand that changes colors as they approach their "Last Day". To maintain order, the computer has assigned Sandmen (officially known as DS agents, de facto executioners), who pursue and terminate Runners (those who try to avoid Carrousel)."
Re:The next step? Oh Great (Score:5, Funny)
Your girlfriend left you? You're doing a good job of typing without any hands.
Just a recorder... (Score:2, Insightful)
If they are indeed just local data recorders, I don't really see a problem, as they could be used to make insurance arguments a lot less painful.
It's only really a privacy concern for the overly paranoid if they are data-transmission-enabled.
Re:Just a recorder... (Score:5, Insightful)
What? You think that an insurance company wouldn't try to get out of paying a claim if they could find out whether you were speeding? Information is enabling. People should think long and hard about what they want to enable others (especially the government and corporations) to do with their information.
re: think long and hard (Score:5, Insightful)
Thinking long and hard is... oh, hey! The football game is on! Grab a beer and have a seat!
Re: think long and hard (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: think long and hard (Score:4, Informative)
No. Since when did these mythical people ever actually exist?
Re: think long and hard (Score:4, Interesting)
Republicans were ike that post-Eisenhower and pre-George Bush.
Remember when the DEMOCRATS were for small government and individual rights (except blacks)? Now they boss us around as if we were employees of the governments. "Buy insurance." "Throw-away your lightbulbs." "Put black boxes in your cars." "Submit to random VIPR patdowns all across the country."
When both parties are pro-government, then it's only a matter of time until a "you can't trust the government" contingent arrives on the scene. As Jefferson stated, that is the natural tendency of the party system: 1 for more government; 1 for less government. I predict it will happen within the Republican party, thanks to the Ron Paul movement (started 2007).
Re: think long and hard (Score:4, Informative)
"Buy insurance."
As I understood it, Congress "mandated" that you buy insurance in the same way that they "mandated" you buy new energy efficient doors/windows for your house. Which is to say they didn't mandate it at all. What they did was they offered a tax credit for those that already had insurance, much the same way that there is a tax credit for replacing your older doors/windows with new energy efficient doors/windows.
I keep asking politely if you would care to correct my misunderstanding, but you've yet to do so. Why is that?
Re: think long and hard (Score:5, Insightful)
Many people don't have car insurance.
- people who walk
- people who ride a horse (my Amish neighbors)
- people who use a buggy (local farmers)
- people who ride a bike
- or train
- or bus
- or cycle
FURTHERMORE and this is the most important part: The Member States have the power to mandate insurance, but the central Congress does not. Read amendment 10 of our bill of rights.
So if Massachusetts wants to mandate the purchase of hospital insurance, they can. I think that's anti-freedom idea but, per the 10th, they have the authority. The central government does not.
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That is set by your state, not the feds.
And not all states have the same insurance requirements. I think some don't require it...and I believe a couple will let you prove you have a bond or money in escrow in lieu of insurance.
So, that is a state thing my friend.
Hmm...that reminds me...where in the Constitutions does it authorize the Federal govt to put a data recording and
Re:To establish Post Offices and Post Roads (Score:5, Informative)
No, but if the states refuse to enact such a law, then they don't get any federal funding for the roads. This is the same way that the federal government got the speed limits reduced, and the legal drinking age raised.
Re: think long and hard (Score:5, Insightful)
No, they CLAIMED to be like that. There's a big difference between the two. They were plenty fond Of getting the government involved in people's sex lives, their reproductive health choices, whether or not they used drugs, using the government to mandate school prayer on people, etc. Let us also not forget that it was under Reagan that the country went from being the world's largest creditor to the world's larget debtor (before you try to claim the whole republicans are fiscal conservatives nonsense).
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Wow you are...just....
Wow.
You can breath and sit still at the same time, right? I don't mean chew gum and walk. That would clearly be out of your league.
Let me use small words so I don't lose you:
The re-pub-li-cans made the Tea Party so they control the "you can't trust gov'ment" people. The Dem-o-crats would like to do the same thing with the "99%/Occupy" thingy but don't know how. This way both parties can dump the 'less gov'ment' nut-bags (from their point of view) into the non-party parties and pretend
Re: think long and hard (Score:4, Insightful)
"Republicans were ike that post-Eisenhower and pre-George Bush."
Richard Nixon was hardly a defender of civil liberty.
Re: think long and hard (Score:4, Informative)
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Please. did you forget about the War on Drug Users? The ascendency of the religious right? Are you even aware of how many times Reagan raised taxes? Do you understand that his Reaganomics is responsible for the extreme economic inequality we are burdened with today?
Almost everything that is wrong with our government now can be traced back to Ronald Reagan [lewrockwell.com].
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remember when the Republicans used to be all about civil liberties and keeping the government from crawling up your ass?
If that was the case, then why have laws at all? I don't understand how anybody can feel aggrieved that they're not being allowed to break the law. Don't get me wrong, if you want to speed or act like a dick in traffic, go right ahead - but whining that somebody is gonna try and catch you out isn't exactly the outlaw way. Oh, what's that you say Sundance? The sheriff is watching the bank? That's an outrageous invasion of my privacy. Hold my gun while I write my congressman...
Re: think long and hard (Score:4, Insightful)
The black box is like the former. It is something the police can look at to see if any crimes were committed rather than reacting to a crime that was known to have been committed.
This might not be so bad if we weren't drowning in traffic laws (and every other kind of law). The truth is that it is nearly impossible to drive safely while following all the traffic laws. If the police want to nail you for something, they can follow you around for a while and probably get you. But at least you have a decent chance of knowing they're following, and they have to stop you the moment you commit the offense.
But the black box allows another approach. For whatever reason, the police decide they don't like you. Now they can pull your black box and check your driving history to find something - anything - at any time. And you may not even remember the event (that time you had to accelerate to avoid the deer - well you exceeded the speed limit and since you don't remember it you can't offer any defense).
Politicians and celebrities have to be on guard all the time because there is always some paparazzi or other camera on them. The rest of us don't want to live like that.
Re: think long and hard (Score:5, Insightful)
Republicans have gone so far right and the Democrats have gone so far left
Minor correction: The Republicans have gone so brutally far to the right that the Democrats' gentle drift to the right appears to be leftwards motion; It is only an optical illusion though.
Although if you really believe Democrats are in favor of communism then facts may not be terribly interesting to you.
Re:Just a recorder... (Score:4, Informative)
Bullshit. The primary purpose of automobile insurance is liability insurance. The insurance company most certainly should cover this. His insurance only protects him financially. It protects your ability to recieve compensation if he does something stupid and injures you.
Re:Just a recorder... (Score:5, Interesting)
Define speeding.
On most (translation: ALL) roads in the US, the typical speed of traffic is higher than the posted limit. In fact, driving the limit, some claim, causes more accidents than going with the flow of traffic. In spite of this, traffic deaths have been falling for decades, and non-injury accidents as well, all in the face of increased miles traveled and vehicles on the road.
Insurance covers the driver based on his record of accidents. Its not their job to enforce the law. And its not their job to second guess an evasive maneuver that might exceed the speed limit.
But what makes you sure this will only be used in claims? In addition to mandatory smog inspections, what is to prevent some governments from mandating recorder dumps yearly, followed by citations in the mail?
Suggesting any tiny violation invalidates your insurance simply eliminates insurance totally, because they will always find something in a recorder to invalidate your policy. Is that what you are really advocating? It doesn't sound like you have thought this thru very well.
Re:Just a recorder... (Score:5, Informative)
Define speeding.
On most (translation: ALL) roads in the US, the typical speed of traffic is higher than the posted limit. In fact, driving the limit, some claim, causes more accidents than going with the flow of traffic.
Good point. In Michigan, there is an 85\15 rule. After studying traffic flow, if it is found that 85% of the cars were going over the posted speed limit, then that community has to up the speed limit.
Re:Just a recorder... (Score:4, Informative)
Does anyone else think it's a very bad idea to allow people who overestimate their own driving ability [wikipedia.org] to set the speed limits?
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This is why tailgating laws need to be more vigorously enforced.
Re:Like dashcams can protect suspects? (Score:5, Funny)
Variation on the Jedi Mind Trick: "You dont need to see the radar. I gave you a break so you should thank me for this ticket. These are not the droids you're looking for. Move along."
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Well the first step towards recovery is admitting you have a problem...
Do you think you could try not speeding all the time please? I know this is slashdot and everything but there are some of us that wouldn't like to die on the roads because of assholes who think that speed limits aren't important. No offence intended, it's just my life that I'm concerned about.
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Withdraw first party insurance from speeders, no issues with that at all.
Only people who say that are those who don't drive.
The only way to ensure you aren't speeding is to drive a few mph BELOW the speed limit, otherwise hills, transitions from one posted speed limit to another, and the fact that holding exactly X mph is pretty much impossible in the real world, will ensure that some percentage of the time you are above the posted speed limit and some percentage you are below it.
Anyone with half a brain in
Re:Just a recorder... (Score:5, Insightful)
As if insurance companies are going to lower your premiums. What they'll do with this data is, increase premiums on those they now know are 'unsafe'. As in, you actually drive your car instead of keeping it safely in the garage. Or drive through 'unsafe' neighborhoods because it's the only fast way to work. Or drive 'too much', because statistics say an accident is inevitable, and the more you drive, the more likely you are to have an accident. Or, on Jan 1, you acellerated 10 miles an hour over the speed limit and did some sharp turns, no matter that you were manuevering to get out of an accident.
or, you know, if a cop can pull a quick download off it at a routine traffic stop or 'manditory spot inspection' with or without a warrant. Or probable cause. Or because he's bored and his sergeant is hassling him to get that ticket book filled out so that the city can make up the revenue shortfall from lost taxes as people move out of the area searching for jobs. Ignore the 5th Ammendment aspects of that black box for a moment and think it through. Those black boxes are meant to be used, and not necessarily in your favor. You really think they won't be downloaded and analysed at any excuse? You really think there won't be rulings that they somehow magically don't violate your 5th Ammendment rights? Maybe you're insufficiently paranoid.
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your 5th Ammendment rights
The right to remain silent. Courts ruled (in cases of missing keys for some locks and safes - and perhaps passwords) that you don't have to tell the court anything, but the police can wreck your safe in any way they like. This certainly applies to the black box in your car. The box has no constitutional rights.
Perhaps you were thinking of the 4th Amendment - against unreasonable searches. However that had been taken care of (against you) already [wikipedia.org]:
"Conversely, the Court has approved routine warrantless seizures, for example "where there is probable cause to believe that a criminal offense has been or is being committed."
In other words, if the LEO st
Reminder: Source is Infowars (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Reminder: Source is Infowars (Score:5, Funny)
Open format? (Score:5, Interesting)
IIRC, one of the big issues with the existing black boxes is that they are in a format only the OEM can read.
I didn't see anything in TFA about making a standard, any news about that?
I'd love the ability to put an app on my laptop or phone & review the data logs my car can produce. There a ton of data in a modern car that could be very useful to an owner. Even more if you're a parent with kids that drive.
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"IRC, one of the big issues with the existing black boxes is that they are in a format only the OEM can read."
This is hardly a real-world problem. Consumer devices for reading the data and settings in a vehicle's computer(s) tend to come out less than a year after the new models hit the streets.
Re:Open format? (Score:5, Informative)
Yes you can do that.
You will need a OBDII Bluetooth adapter and something to read the results, I use the Torque Pro program on my Android phone. I can do logs that I can later email myself, or even upload to a website.
The adapter I bought was @ $40 from Amazon, and the program I mention is $4.99, add an android device if you don't have one already and it is still cheaper than most stand alone OBDII readers.
It can record everything from G's pulled on corners to the temperature of the intake.
Re:Open format? (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.amazon.com/Koolertron-ELM-OBDII-Diagnostic-Scanner/dp/B0055AZ0A0/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1334865807&sr=8-6 [amazon.com]
$13 with prime free shipping.
Ignore idiot reviewers. When you added it to your device it will pair but not connect. This is totally normal, torque will take over from there.
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You mean like these?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/scantool/ [sourceforge.net]
http://freediag.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kadin2048/List_of_OBD-II_Cables_%26_Scanning_Software [wikipedia.org]
You didn't think that the guy selling a $4.99 app holds all the rights to the technology did you?
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Data Abnormality (Score:5, Funny)
Father to Daughter/Son
Hmm, there seems to be some abnormality in the data, the blackbox registered that you were driving on a saw-tooth road, yet the vehicle was not moving.
slippery slope (Score:5, Insightful)
The next thing you know, the government will be totally involved in your private lives, such as making decisions about who you can marry and restricting your ability to make decisions about your own body.
Re:slippery slope (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:slippery slope (Score:4, Informative)
And you immediately jump to the conclusion that the person was talking about abortion and not recreational drug use or one of the many other ways government needs to but the fuck out of peoples lives.
Also, most people realize that Republicans are far more concerned with the person she is carrying in her womb, than they are for her.
Best way to stop abortions is birth control.
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You do realize that Republicans are far less concerned with what a woman does to her own body than they are about what she does to the cellular tissue she is carrying in her own body?
FTFY.
Rape? (Score:3)
Are you suggesting that everyone chooses to get pregnant? Even women who are raped?
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The very definition of responsibility is caring for those affected by your choices, whether the outcome was intentional or not.
The weasel word here is "those". "Those" affected by the decision to have unprotected sex are those who had the sex. There is no other "those", "them", "they", "he", or "she" involved. There is an "it", but it's just an "it".
The best way to care for those affected by the choice to have unprotected sex is to destroy the fetus as quickly as possible, so you can go back to having mo
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At what point does the "it" become a person, deserving the protection the government gives people? Anyone who's sure of the answer clearly hasn't thought much about it. It's some time betwen conception and birth, it's probably a continuum, not a single event (unless there really is a soul), and that means "somewhere near the middle" is probably the best answer. Probably.
"As soon as possible" bothers me the least, that's for sure!
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So you;re saying you prefer a different strawman then? People on both extremes of the social political spectrum believe some pretty crazy stuff, no doubt. But the mainstream consevative position is simply that, in the normal, case of pregnacy (desired or otherwise), there are the rights of two people to consider, not just one.
I'm not sure how much I agree with that, but it's not some crazy irrational idea, nor is it "we hate women, lets find new ways to express that". At some point between conception and
Big Brother? (Score:5, Informative)
(b) Limitations on Information Retrieval-
(1) OWNERSHIP OF DATA- Any data in an event data recorder required under part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, regardless of when the passenger motor vehicle in which it is installed was manufactured, is the property of the owner, or in the case of a leased vehicle, the lessee of the passenger motor vehicle in which the data recorder is installed.
(2) PRIVACY- Data recorded or transmitted by such a data recorder may not be retrieved by a person other than the owner or lessee of the motor vehicle in which the recorder is installed unless--
(A) a court authorizes retrieval of the information in furtherance of a legal proceeding;
(B) the owner or lessee consents to the retrieval of the information for any purpose, including the purpose of diagnosing, servicing, or repairing the motor vehicle;
(C) the information is retrieved pursuant to an investigation or inspection authorized under section 1131(a) or 30166 of title 49, United States Code, and the personally identifiable information of the owner, lessee, or driver of the vehicle and the vehicle identification number is not disclosed in connection with the retrieved information; or
(D) the information is retrieved for the purpose of determining the need for, or facilitating, emergency medical response in response to a motor vehicle crash.
Big deal.
Re:Big Brother? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Big Brother? (Score:5, Interesting)
It's a good thing we know from experience that our government only collects data it "legally" authorizes itself to collect.
FTFY.
However, inherent distrust of governing bodies aside, I don't see a problem with the law requiring a warrant for police to collect the data. Were that not stipulated, you and I both know cops would take that as an legitimization of their illegal searches.
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It is a big deal, because it's NONE OF THEIR FUCKING BUSINESS.
And how hard is it to get a warrant?
Re:Big Brother? (Score:5, Insightful)
It is when you are in an accident,.
Don't like it? then only drive on your own property.
"And how hard is it to get a warrant?"
ah, now you are focused on the correct thing.
Look, everything you do outside of your home is being collected.
There area lot of advantages to that. The fight shouldn't be not to do it. No one will go with that because the advantages are fer too great to people.
Fight what the police and corporations can do with it. That's the problem.
Re:Big Brother? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes, I'm walking in public, but I'M INVISIBLE!
I don't have my name on my shirt. If I don't call attention to myself, I should have the expectation that no one will remember tomorrow where I walked today. Just because data can be recorded doesn't mean it should be.
Re:Big Brother? (Score:5, Informative)
The problem is that most cars already ship with black boxes - ones which have no regulation. This INCREASES data privacy.
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Re:Big Brother? (Score:4, Insightful)
It is a big deal, because it's NONE OF THEIR FUCKING BUSINESS.
The use of a motor vehicle is a privilege, not a right, and it can be rescinded at any time by the state you live in. Because of so-called motor-vehicle compact laws, you will probably not get another license in any other state. Anything that happens on public roads is their business. If you have a problem with that, you can pay to build private roads and pay for the maintenance of those roads with tolls. Or... you can enjoy free and total access to all public roads, provided you're willing to deal with the fact that they can, are, and will track you. There's no difference between a black box and a camera at every point along the road.
Be more afraid of what insurance companies will start doing in 30 years when there's a black box in every vehicle. "Well, you can pay $10 a month if you get our 'all your black box are belong to us' plan, or $1,000 a month for our 'standard' plan. Oh, by the way, carrying insurance is mandatory in your state. Well, what's it going to be, Citizen?
Re:Big Brother? (Score:5, Informative)
The use of a motor vehicle is a privilege, not a right,
This oft-repeated lie needs to be taken out and shot (along with the people who repeat it)
REPEAT AFTER ME:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
There is no enumerated right to have children. Using the same logic, the conclusion is that having children is a privilege that can be revoked at the Government's whim.
Would the founding fathers have said that riding a horse a privilege? Or a bicycle? Under what rational does using mechanical power instead of muscle power to propel it transform a mode of travel from a right to a privilege?
Re:Big Brother? (Score:5, Insightful)
It is a big deal, because it's NONE OF THEIR FUCKING BUSINESS.
Of course, you are operating that vehicle on a public roadway, so how it's operated *is* their fucking business, especially if you break the law, harm someone else or their property.
Re:Big Brother? (Score:5, Interesting)
(D) the information is retrieved for the purpose of determining the need for, or facilitating, emergency medical response in response to a motor vehicle crash.
OnStar approves. Now it can track all vehicles at all times with the blanket disclaimer that it's to facilitate an emergency response. OnStar is a private company. OnStar can then freely share that information with its affiliates, who may be overseas. Data now laundered, and free for sale to anyone who wants it domestically.
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Got to sign up for on star.
Also, what data? Yeah, some Chinese hacker want's to know some anonymous person drives to work at 5:30 am and stopped for 3 lights.
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Right, our government would never buy all your data from Onstar's Chinese affiliate to work around legal limts. Just like they'd never trade information with a foregn government who spies on American citizens in ways they're forbdden to. Yeah, nothing to see here, move along.
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You're free to disable the OnStar system in a vehicle you own. Are you free to disable the government mandated black box?
Re:Big Brother? (Score:5, Insightful)
all good until you hit a TSA minded check point that says you must turn over access to the data or you are not allowed to continue driving. You will not be allowed to turn around, you will have to leave the car in their possession. If anything on the recorder indicates that you have been exceeding speed limits , then thse will be ticketable offenses.
The track record is too severe to trust our govt with this idea.
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Shouldn't be a problem as long as you arrive with less than three ounces of fluids in the vehicle.
Re:Easy to fix (Score:5, Informative)
It has been said that the TSA/Border Patrol can setup checkpoints something like 30? miles from a border
Try 100 miles.
2/3 of the US population lives within 100 miles of a border (which includes coastlines), which is effectively a Constitution-Free zone [aclu.org].
Here's what it records (Score:5, Informative)
This Black Box is similar to stuff that's already IN your car, and airplanes, etc. Here is the legislature that will be revised to *require* the devices, so you can look at the details of what's being required.
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=adfa70d7fb0603db957cef53e728148f&rgn=div5&view=text&node=49:6.1.2.3.31&idno=49 [gpoaccess.gov]
Particularly, check the latter sections. "Each vehicle equipped with an EDR must meet the requirements specified in 563.7 for data elements, 563.8 for data format, 563.9 for data capture, 563.10 for crash test performance and survivability, and 563.11 for information in owner's manual."
Oh, for fark's sake... (Score:3)
Can you find a source for this information a bit more reliable than Infowars? I accidentally clicked on it and now I have to go wash my mouse and monitor.
Used car ... (Score:5, Funny)
I suppose its not all that big a deal if I get into a wreck and they want to download the airbag and antilock brake performance data. But at some point, the cops are going to want the capability to jack in to your car's log and download that rather than actually watching for violations. That's when I park the new car and go back to driving my '79 4x4. No event recorder. No working smog devices (old enough to be exempt from testing). No airbags. And the energy absorbing collision crush zone is the Prius I'm about to hit.
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What about car 'kits'? You know those "T" bucket roadsters. Most of those are based on old VW bug chassis, but some builders actually wield up their own frames and drop in big block Chevy engines (my next door neighbor used an old Ford marine engine). the bodies are usually store bought fiberglass. Then there are the EV conversions.
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Anyone wonder why the biggest area of entrepreneurship is in software? It is because the "hump" of regulation and legal costs are practically $0.
Not after the USPTO gets through with you. Software is rapidly gaining a 'guilty until proven innocent' legal status. Write something, then MicrosApplGoogle files a patent. And wipes you out having to prove prior art or invalidate their patents somehow. But that's all being done by proxy, of course. The government's hands are clean while their selected few national software champions carry out state industrial policy.
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Who is this "they" you refer to? The feds mandate the black boxes. The states register cars. Once a car is in private hands (federal regulations only specify what must be in cars sold by manufacturers), the states will do pretty much what they want with the existing rolling stock.
Tell all the poor folks that they can't keep their cars and piss off the liberals. Tell the state what they can and can't register is a states' rights issue, so piss off all the conservatives. That's a formula for losing the next
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Editors, Please Take Note (Score:5, Insightful)
If the primary source for a link is InfoWars, look for a secondary link from a less biased and/or batshit insane source. If one cannot be found, skip the article please.
Perspective (Score:5, Funny)
Maybe the government could contract with Apple and produce a White Box model. People would be lining up around the block to get it installed.
Warning: Concusing use of "Black Box" (Score:4, Interesting)
Black Boxes are typically things that scare Slashdot. We don't know how they work, as compared to a documented "white box" solution.
This definition of a "Black Box" is different. It's an event data recorder, meant to be like the orange devices found at airplane crash sites designed to let everybody know the status of the vehicle before it crashed. No big privacy change because most cars already have one, it's just a law change that requires there be standards,. rules, and such for these things in the future.
Maybe it's a good sign... (Score:3, Interesting)
Not really bothered, tbh (Score:3)
I've actually thought about putting one in my own car. I was sitting at a stop light maybe 10 years ago when some moron teenager was speeding down the road at 45 mph while fishing around for CDs on the floor of his car. He hit the car BEHIND me without so much as tapping his brakes. That car smashed into mine, totalling it. My car then hit the guy in front of me. Imagine my outrage when talking to some insurance drone who told me he had to talk to the other drivers to see if they felt one impact or two. The theory being that if it was one, it was because *I* was moving and hit the guy in front of me, causing them all to pile into me. If it was more than one, the story was as I related.
I wouldn't have minded having a /var/log somewhere that said 22:34:02: velocity 0.00 m/s accel 0.00 g throttle 0% brakes 5%....22:34:45 velocity 35.33 m/s accel 12.1 g throttle 0% brakes 0%. Hard data would have shown beyond a shadow of a doubt I was in a stationary car that suddenly accelerated like it was hit by a moving SUV.
Hit and Run solution? (Score:5, Interesting)
public roads = public rules (Score:2)
We should go back to private roads so this isn't an issue.
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Your 2012 Charger almost certainly already has a "black box" as do most cars built since the mid 1990's.
Re:just in time... (Score:5, Funny)
Then you'll be happy to know that all Dodge Chargers since 2006 already have these installed.
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haha, someone bought into the Hemi psuedo engineering.
Man, you where scammed.
Re:Hollywood-style solution (Score:5, Funny)
Points, condenser, coil. That's it. Also my radio is a tube radio so likely somewhat resistant to EMP. I only drive vehicles '60s or older.
Who would have guessed that the survivors of the apocalypse would be .... grandpa?
Re:Hollywood-style solution (Score:4, Funny)
for a week, when their meds stop arriving.
Re:Hollywood-style solution (Score:4, Insightful)
Points, condenser, coil. That's it. Also my radio is a tube radio so likely somewhat resistant to EMP. I only drive vehicles '60s or older.
Who would have guessed that the survivors of the apocalypse would be .... grandpa?
Nah, that's just whose car you'll need to steal.
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Points, condenser, coil. That's it. Also my radio is a tube radio so likely somewhat resistant to EMP. I only drive vehicles '60s or older.
Who would have guessed that the survivors of the apocalypse would be .... grandpa?
Nah, that's just whose car you'll need to steal.
That may not be funny. I have an acquaintance who is a self-defined survivalist. He stockpiles weapons and ammunition. I asked him why he didn't stockpile food, fuel, communications gear or any of the other stuff survivalists usually have in their garage. He said because with weapons, he can acquire everything else he needs. I guess that includes a car old enough to have mechanical ignition.
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The first 240Zs were made in 1969. I had one of those. Sadly they were made with such thin sheet metal that all but a few showcars (or otherwise obsessively maintained cars) have rusted through. Awesome car, though.
Re:Fucking racists (Score:5, Informative)
Actually yes they are all made with UV-resistant black plastic cases. Unlike the black boxes in airplanes which are red or orange.
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Everyone knows the constitution doesn't apply when you're doing something in a public space.