ACTA Signed By 22 EU Countries 138
First time accepted submitter azrael29a writes "22 EU members signed the controversial ACTA treaty today in Tokyo. However, the signatures of the EU member states and the EU itself will count for nothing unless the European Parliament gives its approval to ACTA in June."
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Say no to ... (Score:3)
Just say no to ACTA.
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Re:It isn't so much (Score:5, Insightful)
Borrowing Animal Farm:
"And then they looked from the government to the corporation, from the corporations back to the government, and they were unable to tell the difference."
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WHich raises the question, why do conservatives (read: folks who want a smaller government) get so much flak on slashdot?
I mean, i know the meme is "conservatives are in bed with the corps", but that reputation is only there because we oppose reams of regulation. Personally, I feel like you have to keep a balance between the two, and I feel like the balance is currently shifted to the "too much government" end of the spectrum.
So next time you jump on a republican's case for being a corporate shill or whate
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Conservatives also support outsourcing
Says who? Oh, you mean we oppose heavy-handed legislation on outsourcing?
huge CEO salaries,
Says who? Oh, you mean we oppose legislation on how a private company can spend its own money? Yea, I do oppose that.
tax breaks for corporations
I dont think all conservatives would agree with this. You would have to spell out more clearly your proposal before I could make a judgement call; certainly some tax breaks I might support and others I would oppose.
eminent domain
Wait, what???? Where did you hear THAT?
corporate personhood
Again, over generalizing. I dont think being a conservative me
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back to school, you!
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Not trying to defend ACTA but the final version of it had changed a lot during the negotiations so claiming that they did what America told them is not true.
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How can you tell? The final version still isn't publicly available. Whose word are you believing?
They have every reason to (Score:5, Insightful)
The wealthy members of every nation are, naturally, united in their desire to remain wealthy. The introduction of globally-enforced artificial scarcity appears to be a great way of doing that. It isn't like the wealthy members of EU would rather see ACTA vanish, but are bowing their heads in submission to America. They are happily jumping at the chance to enter into such an agreement, because it directly benefits them. Or so they think.
Such oppression will only fan the flames of rebellion, and law enforcement will always have limits.
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There is no way that this can work in the long run.
The sole raw material for intellectual property is human brains. There are a lot more Chinese human brains than there are Amercan.
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Only because the masters masters ordered them to say "yes, please".
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Elected representatives aren't the masters of anyone. They may misrepresent, and get voted out, but ultimately they are paid to do what the electorate want. It's not their, yours or my fault that the electorate, in general, are clueless about the power they are giving people, and not being picky who they give it to.
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"ultimately they are paid to do what the electorate want"
Except when they aren't.
Electorate: we'll pay you 100.000 eur/year to do your job now.
Megacorp: do your job now and I'll pay you 2.000.000 eur/year plus bonus and benefits to do basically nothing except getting to know the kind of people that will make you these kind of offers (a decorative VP).
Now, who do you think that *really* pay them ultimately?
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Obama claims he is against SOPA and PIPA yet he signed ACTA last year.
http://www.webpronews.com/president-obama-doesnt-support-sopa-but-signs-acta-2012-01 [webpronews.com]
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Obama claims he is against SOPA and PIPA yet he signed ACTA last year.
He signed ACTA while it was still under the radar.
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It is not enough. The process is skewed heavily in favor of the right holders and their government representatives. Even the rapporteur for ACTA at the European Parliament thinks so: https://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/ACTA_rapporteur_denounces_ACTA_mascarade [laquadrature.net]
It is a lost fight unless everyone in Europe picks the phone to their EMP and tells them in no uncertain terms to vote ACTA down or lose votes. And then have all your friends do so too.
Sure its my signature (Score:3, Insightful)
Gotta love politics.
Nice.. (Score:1, Troll)
Such a lively, relevant discussion!
French MEP calls it a 'charade' (Score:5, Informative)
A French MEP has quit the process of scrutinising ACTA for the European Parliament, calling the treaty's passage through the EU legislative system a masquerade.
In a statement on Thursday, Kader Arif denounced the signing of ACTA (the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement) by the EU and 21 member states earlier in the day. He said the European Parliament was being undermined and the process was a "charade" in which he would no longer participate.
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"I want to denounce as the greatest of all the process that led to the signing of this agreement: no association of civil society, lack of transparency from the beginning of negotiations, successive postponements of the signing of the text without any explanation being given, setting aside the claims of the European Parliament [despite those views being] expressed in several resolutions of our Assembly," Arif said, according to an automated translation of his statement.
Arif said he had as rapporteur "faced unprecedented manoeuvres of the right of Parliament to impose an accelerated schedule to pass the agreement as soon as possible before the public is alerted, thereby depriving Parliament of its right of expression and the tools at its disposal to carry the legitimate demands of citizens".
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"This agreement may [have a] major impact on the lives of our citizens, and yet everything is done [so that] the European Parliament has no say," Arif said. "I will not participate in this charade."
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/communication-breakdown-10000030/mep-quits-acta-charade-in-protest-at-eu-signing-10025297/ [zdnet.co.uk]
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"I want to denounce as the greatest of all the process that led to the signing of this agreement: no association of civil society, lack of transparency from the beginning of negotiations, successive postponements of the signing of the text without any explanation being given, setting aside the claims of the European Parliament [despite those views being] expressed in several resolutions of our Assembly," Arif said, according to an automated translation of his statement.
Shortly after, the automated translation was pulled and the text now reads "I totally agree with ACTA! Hoo-ah!", as read the original statement by the French MEP.
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Meaningless of course til it's ratified, but that won't stop the lobbyists in the US from pushing through all kinds of nasty shit like SOPA and PIPA. Gotta keep up with the Euros, ya know. And if the member-states of the EU don't ratify this, oh, well, at least American copyrights are safe the world over now. Send in the Marines & the lawyers, there's money to loot!
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Much as in Animal Crossing, however, you are still free to weed your garden to keep it looking tidy.
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No, he is talking about real citizens. The side he is on. He is complaining about the bill being first postponed and then rushed through with surprise tactics.
Re:French MEP calls it a 'charade' (Score:5, Interesting)
Funny.
Yesterday people were asking "How can I move from the US to the EU?" in praise of the EU's anti-corporate actions. But today the EU demonstrated it's really no different..... the bureaucrats/politicians are bought and sold by the corporate elite in the same fashion.
"Yeah... they want to control the internet. They can't wait to silence freedom of speech and yank websites." - Ron Paul.
BTW they are already doing this in Russia. Any website that dares to challenge Putin or his party are accused of "using copyright-infringing software" and their computers immediately seized. The end. Copyright is being used to control the People and silence dissent.
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There's still the EP. They have voted against ACTA before.
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Wait, what? Which russian sites has been silenced recently? Did I miss something? (I am moderataly active Runet user) Yeah, local administrations sometimes used "administrative resource" to silence down some opposition, but closing sites? Why, when you can simply beat man down to almost death or put him in prison under criminal charges (copyright infringement hasn't been used yet)? Speaking more seriously, all closed sites I've heard of were ultra-right extremist propaganda hubs (I've seen some of them pers
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http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=software+piracy+silence+russia [lmgtfy.com]
Accuse the site/opposition of violating software copyrights, send the police to collect the computers, and then sit on the PCs for months effectively killing the opposition.
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BTW they are already doing this in Russia. Any website that dares to challenge Putin or his party are accused of "using copyright-infringing software" and their computers immediately seized. The end.
Does every post that starts out insightful have to end with stupid hyperbole? That may be happening in Russia, im pretty sure its not happening in most of the EU or US (which you implied with the "already doing this").
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Not saying they are great. But they are a whole lot better than what we had until now.
They gave a *real* punishment to Microsoft. (Things like: $x million a *day* until they pay up *and* change Windows.)
They punished Germany for not removing the Deutsche Telekom (ex-government phone company) monopoly quickly enough.
And lots of similar actually good things.
The problem is, that any group can only stand against professional social engineering for so long. And I guess with them being information science n00bs,
How to act against ACTA (Score:5, Informative)
https://www.laquadrature.net/wiki/How_to_act_against_ACTA [laquadrature.net]
Re:How to act against ACTA (Score:4, Informative)
And for US citizens, you can sign a petition [whitehouse.gov] to challenge ACTA after being signed into law as an executive agreement -- which doesn't require approval -- when it covers intellectual property, which requires ratification in Congress. Techdirt has more information [techdirt.com].
If you want to go further, you can contact Senator Ron Wyden [wikipedia.org], who also questions the constitutionality of ACTA [slashdot.org].
Not really - it's a non-implementing agreement (Score:3)
And for US citizens, you can sign a petition [whitehouse.gov] to challenge ACTA after being signed into law as an executive agreement -- which doesn't require approval -- when it covers intellectual property, which requires ratification in Congress.
I think you're making an unsupported leap there in that "doesn't require approval". TechDirt suggests that that could be true, but doesn't say it's more than "a pretty strong argument".
It's also an incorrect argument. Contrary to what TechDirt thinks about ACTA, it's non-implementing. In that sense, it's exactly the same as TRIPs, which was also an "executive agreement... cover[ing] intellectual property," but was never ratified by Congress. Instead, Congress passed the Uruguay Round Agreements Act, which
Not all of EU signed... yet (Score:5, Informative)
I am from Estonia and our internet community has managed to put the ACTA issues into the public debate here. The politicians still seem unwilling to tackle the issues raised; furthermore, it seems they were about to sign it without reading it - even to the point where our local RIAA lackey was the one explaining the "governments position" on the TV yesterday. I do not know where this will end and while our government seems to be afraid to say no, we will not go down without a fight.
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Countries that signed are "EU and its Member States that signed the Agreement at this ceremony are: the EU, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxemburg, Malta, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom) "
http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/economy/i_property/acta1201.html
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What I find odd is that Germany didn't sign it. That's the biggest economic power in the EU. I'd like to see the reason for that.
There's your answer. (Score:4, Insightful)
What I find odd is that Germany didn't sign it. That's the biggest economic power in the EU. I'd like to see the reason for that.
I think you've answered your own question. They are solidly standing on their own feet, and thus are less willing to bend over in response to bullying.
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Sadly not. Germany's chancellor Angela Merkel couldn't bend over more for her American heroes. Germany doesn't need to be bullied. The conservative party just needs to find a way to get ACTA past the populace without catapulting the Pirate Party into all state parliaments at the earliest opportunity. The conservatives are also somewhat hampered by their junior partner, the liberal democrats, whose Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger is head of the ministry of justice and annoyingly appears to have a spine. I
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For our American and Canadian readers; in Germany (and most other European countries) every vote counts. This means that your % of popular vote more or less directly translates into % of seats. This is called "equal representation".
For our European friends; in the US and Canada not every vote counts. Take for instance Canada. For Federal/National elections, the country is being cut in 388 little areas, called "ridings". The best way to explain is that, aside from a "national election" with "national candida
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Yep, first past the post is an archaic thing from the cave era, horribly undemocratic.
So you have a four way race, with results of 25%, 25%, 24%, and 26%... and the person with 26% ends up representing all of the voters, even though three quarters of which may be vehemently opposed to them. Very democratic.
Re:Not all of EU signed... yet (Score:5, Informative)
I do not know where this will end and while our government seems to be afraid to say no, we will not go down without a fight.
The Poles are fighting it, too. [bbc.co.uk]
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I've been on the big protest on Wednesday, and as of now several more protests are being planned throughout the country. There's one for tommorow in Warsaw.
What I can't understand is what the fuck is our prime minister doing, thinking he can ignore the voice of tens of thousands of angry people on the streets. It's basically the biggest protest in 30 years, and that previous one was the whole "Solidarnosc" thing.
We are fucking outraged at our gov't.
They will not get re-elected.
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What I can't understand is what the fuck is our prime minister doing, thinking he can ignore the voice of tens of thousands of angry people on the streets. It's basically the biggest protest in 30 years, and that previous one was the whole "Solidarnosc" thing.
Oh, that little protest? The one that basically toppled the communist regime? Yeah, I think you Poles do take your protests seriously.
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Well, some things get better and some get worse.
I guess being owned by bankers and corporations is the price you pay to have meat and chocolate at the grocers, and western music.
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We are fucking outraged at our gov't.
They will not get re-elected.
Except that there's no alternative to the ruling party -- their runner-ups (30% vote) are religious national socialists (extreme right wing, conspiracy theory "germans, russians, jews and europeans try to get us!", religious fundamentalists, corrupt, economical ideas same as Orban in Hungary), and some populist far-left.
So sadly we can't punish them at the voting booth.
The MEP in charge just resigned. (Score:5, Informative)
Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
I'll have to admit, I'm having trouble understanding why so many nations want to sign this monstrosity. Why the US wants it globally accepted is obvious, we don't really manufacturer what we used to. A significant portion of our economy has moved to a creating ideas, instead of things, then selling those ideas at massively inflated prices. But why other nations would fight so hard to get this kind of thing implemented in their own countries, which won't benefit them, but in fact will likely be a determent to them, such treaties/legislation. Is there massive amounts of money paying off foreign politicians behind the scenes that I'm not seeing.
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Not nations, people
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Money.
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The US makes sure that these other countries know it's "in their best interest" to go along with it.
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As wikileaks has shown, the USA government is the one forcing them to sign. And they only need to force a handful of countries. Funny part is, they actually need this.
As said above, USA's economy is now creating ideas, no, don't confuse that with research, but ideas, which can be patented and sued over.
Problem is, while the world is forced to play by their rules, the Chinese on the other hand will have no problem ignoring them. So we'll have to buy from the Chinese everything we need, because our companies
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What ideas? Most of the good ones are already created. Every Hollyweird movie these days is either a sequel or a remake or a rehash of something they made money on before. And it's awfully hard to be creative when you're working 60+ hours a week to make the payments on th
Re:Why? (Score:5, Funny)
What ideas?
Rounded corners.
It is simple (Score:2, Interesting)
It can be used as a form of population control.
Like someone else already pointed out here, in Russia, if you are anti-Putin, you are claimed to be against copyright and your computers will be seized.
The same things will take place elsewhere, too.
All these, ACTA, SOPA, PIPA, whatever, they aim for only one purpose: cement the current ruling class and elite into place. This is done by getting tools with which to fight any incumbents.
Currently the tools must be hidden with "helps copyright", "thinks of childre
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why so many nations want to sign this monstrosity
They don't. It's some worthless f.cks who apparently repesent these countries and signed ACTA, I live in Austria and I don't even know the name of the creep who signed on behalf of this country. At its core, the EU is a rotten oligarchy where many decisions are made contrary to the will of the citizens. Other such examples are the SWIFT and passenger data sharing agreements.
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"I'm having trouble understanding why so many nations want to sign this monstrosity"
So would I... if it were nations the ones signing it.
But they aren't.
Where's the ACTA text, to start with? Did you see it? You are being abused by "the old paradigm": your brain still see the world in a certain form that is no more true.
What do you think that thingie "globalization" really means? I know this will sound like old fashioned marxism, but heck, it's the truth despite Marx, Adam Smith or whoever: globalization
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The ramifications of not signing would be extremely hard.
For example, one thing to do would be to downgrade the credit rating of said country, raising its spread and interest rate. Remember, the companies that do the rating are all US companies. Then governments would be unable to borrow money from foreign and domestic banks, leading to a catastrophic economic spiral in said countries.
This would be like a death sentence for politicians, because they will be associated with the catastrophy, and they would no
The Dutch are just late (Score:1)
It seems that the Dutch ambassador did not receive the required mandate in time. It is the intention of the Dutch to sign.
Do you hear that? (Score:4, Insightful)
That is the sound of inevitability... It is the sound of corporate rule.
Ha ha, just kidding. I'm sure the EP will fight for the rights of its people. :-D
Google is not helping... (Score:2)
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Try the search with "how acta kills your job"; it returns a slew of pages, such asHow ACTA Kills Your Job [qummunismus.at].
No vote required. It's a done deal. (Score:5, Informative)
Since it's a treaty, like NAFTA, it's far easier to implement, far harder to challenge in court, and more powerful than an act of Congress. And it's global.
ACTA vs. SOPA: Five Reasons ACTA is Scarier Threat to Internet Freedom [ibtimes.com] from the International Business Times:
The SOPA bill was derailed because it required both houses of the U.S. Congress to pass it, and for President Barack Obama to sign it. Once approved, it would have been subject to challenge and could have been changed by future congresses.
ACTA, on the other hand, was already signed by the United States on Oct. 11, 2011, and Obama was not required to get the approval of any outside authority to do so: not the Congress, not the Supreme Court, and not the American public.
Now that it has been signed, the legislative and judicial branches of the U.S. government also have little ability to challenge or amend the treaty, and Americans would be subject to a whole new scheme of laws, restrictions and regulations that could have them facing fines or jail through a process that would likely exist entirely outside the scope of the American justice system.
Re:No vote required. It's a done deal. (Score:5, Insightful)
You seem to have missed the part where the Senate has to vote to accept any treaty. Clinton signed Kyoto, but the Senate unanimously rejected it anyway.
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You seem to have missed the part where the Senate has to vote to accept any treaty. Clinton signed Kyoto, but the Senate unanimously rejected it anyway.
Except he may have signed it as an executive agreement and not as a treaty.
http://www.webpronews.com/president-obama-doesnt-support-sopa-but-signs-acta-2012-01 [webpronews.com]
There are many issues involved with President Obama’s signing of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement — which occurred in September 2011 — and whether or not it should be treated as an executive agreement or an actual treaty between the agreeing countries. With an executive agreement, the President does not require the approval of the Senate, whereas, with a treaty, Senate approval is required. That, however, is not the issue, especially when you consider the initial zeal with which the both houses of the U.S. Government supported SOPA and PIPA.
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That legal analysis is incomplete and misleading. In the United States, laws and treaties get their power based on the Constitution and the number of branches of government that sign off on it. So here they are:
1. The Constitution is always the top and anything inconsistent with it is void. Only the People have the power to change the Constitution.
2. Two signatory branches. These are things that have been approved (or in the case of bills overridden of veto power) by two branches usually Laws and Trea
Not the law (Score:3)
Not quite.
The Senate has the power to approve treaties that the President makes:
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;
Under long-established judicial precedent, the Supremacy clause is interpreted to mean that the later-in-time treaty or law is the one which is in effect under domestic (United States) law when the two conflict:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursu
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Thank you for the illumination.
And thank you for demonstrating that Slashdot comments haven't completely deteriorated to 4chan levels of discourse...
Same here in ireland (Score:1)
A minister there in Ireland, Sean Sherlock, is attempting to sign a law that will overturn a judgement UPC (non censoring ISP) vs IRMA (Irish RIAA) on favour of UPC.
http://stopsopaireland.com is the online petition.
Many Irish sites have once again gone dark/posted banners including boards.ie
We have been hammering our MEPs with e-mails about ACTA all last week, so I'm very disappointed to hear this news tonight.
There seems to be a globally co-ordinated simultaneous strike to enshrine IP into law, and to blur
Fuck those who signed ACTA. (Score:4, Insightful)
That's a lot of fucking. (Score:2)
Fuck Austria. Fuck Australia. Fuck Belgium. Fuck Bulgaria. Fuck Canada. Fuck the Czech Republic. Fuck Denmark. Fuck Finland. Fuck France. Fuck Greece. Fuck Hungary. Fuck Ireland. Fuck Italy. Fuck Japan. Fuck Latvia. Fuck Lithuania. Fuck Luxemburg. Fuck Malta. Fuck Morocco. Fuck New Zealand. Fuck Poland. Fuck Portugal. Fuck Romania. Fuck Singapore. Fuck Slovenia. Fuck South Korea. Fuck Spain. Fuck Sweden. Fuck the UK. Fuck the USA.
That's a lot of fucking. I hope you brought enough condoms.
More seriously, don't confuse the countries for the few dickheads in those countries who are fucking things up. I've been to a good handful-and-some of the 30 countries you've listed, and most of the people I've met have been decent sorts.
Narrowing the field to just the assholes in charge, the people in these countries responsible for drafting and then signing ACTA generally look a lot like this guy [google.com]. I don't know about your preferences, *I* certa
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That's a lot of fucking. I hope you brought enough condoms.
I'll use the same one over and over, without washing it inbetween.
More seriously, don't confuse the countries for the few dickheads in those countries who are fucking things up. I've been to a good handful-and-some of the 30 countries you've listed, and most of the people I've met have been decent sorts.
Yeah, that's kind of implied. I've been to 13 of the listed countries and I can only agree.
I don't know about your preferences, *I* certainly don't want to fuck 30 different versions of that.
Can't say that I'll enjoy it to but someone has to do the dirty work. :)
Re:Fuck those who signed ACTA. (Score:5, Funny)
Fuck Sweden.
Assange tried, it didn't end too well for him.
PETITION EUPARL ! (Score:5, Informative)
if you are situated on an eu member country, or, live/work in an eu member country, or, is employed by a company that is registered inside eu, you have the right to petition european parliament. you also have the right if you are citizen of a country that is an official candidate for eu.
Petition euparl from below link. tell them to fuck this shit :
https://www.secure.europarl.europa.eu/aboutparliament/en/petition.html [europa.eu]
this is no joke petition - its official petition form of euparl itself. just drop your real name, address while petitioning.
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its not your government. this is european parliament. they have passed a resolution to ban stuff like 3 strikes which were in acta before.
The USA still can reject ACTA... (Score:2)
Consider signing the Petition for Obama to Submit ACTA to the Senate for Ratification.
We can defeat ACTA in the USA in the Senate... If we can get ACTA submitted there.
Right now ACTA is only signed via Executive Agreement.
http://wh.gov/KxA [wh.gov]
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Alright. Let us hear what is your suggestion. Just sitting here whining and doing nothing?
As a portuguese (Score:2)
Get involved now!!!!!!!!!! (Score:1)
http://www.stopacta.info/ [stopacta.info]
help stop it if you dare...
EU ACTA Chief Resigns In Disgust (Score:2)
Apparently not even the EU top ACTA people like the way it has been pushed (or rather shoved): http://falkvinge.net/2012/01/26/eu-acta-chief-resigns-in-disgust-over-disrespect-at-citizens-next-steps/ [falkvinge.net]
Norway? (Score:2)
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Regarding your starred points, apparently copied and pasted from somewhere else because you're missing the hyperlink about the poll:
* Hyperbolic moderation is common in all environments. This is why YouTube eliminated a 1-5 star rating system in favour of thumbs up/thumbs down. As for modding down first? People hold negative opinions more readily than positive ones. That's nothing new; that's a symptom of the sickness of human culture, just like soap operas, tabloids, and Fox News. If you want people to up-
Re:The first Slashdot troll post investigation (Score:5, Informative)
You're responding to a repaste of a classic troll post [kuro5hin.org] from ten years ago.
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How about just not feeding the trolls? Ignore them. If you respond, they've won, no matter how insightful your answer to them is.
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* Logged in people are modded down faster than anonymous cowards. Presumably these Nazi Moderators think it's more important to burn a user's existing karma, to silence that individual for the future, than to use the moderation system for what it's meant for : identifying "good" and "bad" posts (Notice how nearly all oppressive governments in the past and present do the same thing : marking individuals as bad and untrustworthy because they have conflicting opinions, instead of engaging in a public discussion about these opinions)
* Once you have a karma of -4 or -5, your posts have a score of -1 by default. When this is the case, no-one bothers to mod you down anymore. This means a logged in user can keep on trolling as much as he (or she) likes, without risking a ban to post on slashdot. When trolling as an anonymous user, every post starts at score 0, and you will be modded down to -1 ON EVERY POST. When you are modded down a certain number of times in 24 hour, you cannot post anymore from your current IP for a day or so. So, for successful trolling, ALWAYS log in.
* A lot of the modded down posts are actually quite clever, funny, etc., and they are only modded down because they are offtopic. Now, on a news site like slashdot, where the number of different topics of discussion can be counted on 1 hand, I must say I quite like the distraction these posts offer. But no, when the topic is yet another minor version change of the Linux kernel, they only expect ooohs and aaahs about this great feat of engineering. Look at the moderation done in this thread to see what I mean.
Digging deep into the history of slashdot, I found this poll, which clearly indicates the vast majority does NOT want the moderation we have here today. 'nuff said.
Feel free to use this information to your advantage. I thank you for your time.
Anonymous cowards are... well, cowards.
I think that your results aren't shocking at all, nor are they interesting.
1) More of your posts are modded down than up because, as you say, you write troll posts. I have 10 posts modded up per post modded down, and yes, when I get modded down it's normally because I'm in a bad mood and decide to be a jerk.
2) Many moderators seem to read at +1, so they don't even see things that come from unmoderated ACs. Furthermore, when I moderate I tend not to bother modding down an AC for being off topic, for instan
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The last few months I have been doing some research into the trolling phenomenon on slashdot.org.
More moderator points are being used to mod posts down than up
That's what happens when you troll a lot. I've made well over a hundred posts in the last year, and only a couple were modded down, while the majority of them were modded up, with dozens reaching +5. My experience - which does not include trolling - is that moderators overwhelmingly tend to mod posts upwards.
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You must be new here.
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