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Florida School District Begins Fingerprinting Students 294

Posted by timothy
from the mandatory-attendance-including-your-fingers dept.
First time accepted submitter Boogaroo writes "The Washington County school district in Florida has placed fingerprint scanners at the entrance to Chipley High School. They've also made a decision to run an alternate trial by placing the scanners on buses since most kids in the district ride buses every day. Since the beginning the fingerprinting, attendance is up, but not everyone is in agreement that the costs and risks are worth the attendance boost." Aren't there simpler and less-creepy ways to count kids, like looking at empty desks?
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Florida School District Begins Fingerprinting Students

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  • by TheRealGrogan (1660825) on Saturday October 08, 2011 @02:31PM (#37649076)

    The nannying police state creeping into all aspect of people's lives. I would pull my kids out of any school that did that. I'd bet that "attendance" isn't the primary goal of this process.

  • Ah yes (Score:5, Insightful)

    by future assassin (639396) on Saturday October 08, 2011 @02:33PM (#37649096) Homepage

    Getting the new generation ready for "Papers please, Comrade" and "If you go nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about" society.

  • by SpiralSpirit (874918) on Saturday October 08, 2011 @02:33PM (#37649116)

    Since when was it ok for government to force you to be fingerprinted if you haven't been charged with a crime, joined the military or police, or work in some other high security facility?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 08, 2011 @02:38PM (#37649148)

    Since when was it ok for government to force you to be fingerprinted if you haven't been charged with a crime, joined the military or police, or work in some other high security facility?

    Ever since schools became high security facilities, of course.

  • Wellllll (Score:4, Insightful)

    by cmv1087 (2426970) on Saturday October 08, 2011 @02:39PM (#37649156)

    We already have cops in high schools, given the principals the authority to ruin the lives of high school students on the slightest whimsy, and eroded (if not destroyed outright) any suspicion that these students nearing adulthood actually have any rights while ensuring the parents have no actual responsibility for their child's eventual success or failure.

    I will point that there have been pushes to fingerprint kids in schools all over the nation for years now. Fingerprint scanners are a natural combination of this and the above. Schools are prisons and daycares now. Who needs education? Just give them a pass if they can spell their name and move on.

  • by khasim (1285) <brandioch.conner@gmail.com> on Saturday October 08, 2011 @02:41PM (#37649166)

    Wet fingers cause problems (rain, just washed your hands, etc).
    Dirty fingers cause problems.
    Dirty scanners cause problems.
    Etc, etc, etc.

    I'm thinking that this is just an excuse to spend money on "hi-tech" for the school district. Follow the money. Who's getting paid for it?

  • by SpiralSpirit (874918) on Saturday October 08, 2011 @02:46PM (#37649200)

    yes, blame this on teachers, not on the management that is making the decisions. good job, you've managed to blame someone with no say in this at all!

  • by Hentes (2461350) on Saturday October 08, 2011 @02:56PM (#37649284)

    I'm not sure a school can legally take a fingerprint from a kid even the police can only do so if the person in question has committed a crime. Also, what about the kids who don't use the schoolbus?

  • by SpiralSpirit (874918) on Saturday October 08, 2011 @03:01PM (#37649328)

    ...yet. These sort of things ARE slippery slopes. It's definitely an overly intrusive way of taking attendance.

  • Re:Ah yes (Score:3, Insightful)

    by maxume (22995) on Saturday October 08, 2011 @03:03PM (#37649338)

    Society already accepts the use of law enforcement for the purposes of social engineering, there is no need for expensive measures like travel papers and universal tracking.

    A good example is the use of societal resources against people found to be in possession of small amounts of unapproved substances. There is something really twisted about a societal barometer that judges the possession of a small amount of marijuana as a worse thing than detainment.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 08, 2011 @03:04PM (#37649354)

    Look at johny, he always has to sign in instead of a fingerprint, he must have a disease, and he signs to protect us. and then bullying begins. Alternative outcomes get worse if the parent opts out for their child. Anything different can be enough to be detrimental.

  • by SpiralSpirit (874918) on Saturday October 08, 2011 @03:12PM (#37649398)

    ...yet. This is the way it works - first you make it optional, then you take away the infrastructure to support any other option, then you make it mandatory claiming the other way costs too much or can't be supported anymore.

    Either take the enhanced search, or go through the x-ray machine whose radiation dosage is unpublished. Good good, now be on your way citizen.

  • Sheeple (Score:3, Insightful)

    by p51d007 (656414) on Saturday October 08, 2011 @03:16PM (#37649424)
    People don't get it yet. They know good & well that ADULTS will balk at anything like this, as they have demonstrated during the last election. We don't want government telling us what to do, so, they enact their silly little socialist utopian ideas in the schools. Think about it. Starting with your first day of kindergarten, they have the children place their OWN school supplies in a box...a "community" box, that everyone can share, because some may not have those bla bla bla bla. Then, it's off to the cafeteria, where in some schools, you are prohibited from bringing certain snack items to school, which will be taken away because they "aren't good for you". Then, in one school, instead of parent-teachers meetings being held at the school, they want the teachers to come to your house to see how your kids act in their home environment. The fingerprinting, is done for "safety". Don't you sheep get it? They know that by the time these brainless kids are adults, they will be conditioned to accepting searches, eating "the right foods" and on and on. Listen to what the commies said when they started the whole stupid idea...“Give me just one generation of youth, and I'll transform the whole world.” Vladimir Lenin Get em while they are young, and you can have them forever Adolph Hitler pretty much said the same thing. Give me the youth of Germany, and I can rule the world. He almost got away with that! Thankfully, he was a complete moron. Wake up people...before it is too late! Around 50% of the USA gets "free stuff" from the government. When more than 50% realize they can vote to make the rest of those pay for their "free" lifestyle, this country is history.
  • Wate of money (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mustangdavis (583344) on Saturday October 08, 2011 @03:24PM (#37649472) Homepage Journal
    As our nation's schools "cry poor", this school district has the NERVE to waste money on a system like this? A classic case of TERRIBLE administrators, and people not wanting to be accountable. Get this ... we PAY teachers, administrators and bus drivers to keep track of the kids. Why do we even need this? The only think this school is teaching with this system is only good for criminals ... and that is how to be finger printed. Is that the kind of future we want for our kids???
  • Re:Ah yes (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Dutchmaan (442553) on Saturday October 08, 2011 @03:39PM (#37649546) Homepage
    I find your implication of communism a bit ironic considering that I'll bet you more than anything that it was a business man that made a deal with the school district to get his product sold, and not the school district seeking out a finger printing system to buy. People moan about the "nanny state" when I'm personally more concerned with business men using the state as the consumer and pulling strings to get their products shackled onto the public.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 08, 2011 @03:43PM (#37649578)

    And the TSA states "People can opt-out from body scanners".
    Except that people who opted-out got the sexual-assault 'enhanced' pat-down.

    Have you learned nothing from what went on in airports?
    I don't even see what are the benefits that parents can get from making their child opt for the finger-print attendance check. The normal attendance check can be flawed (a teacher might mark your kid as present when he wasn't in class, or the teacher might even not bother to check attendance most of the time) but unless your kid has a habit of missing school everyday you have nothing to worry about. And there no more than 1 kid like that per class.
    So think of the case of the TSA body scanners and remember this: these schools don't spend tons of money on finger-print scanners just to have 10% of the students use them. They most likely will find a way to discourage opting-out. And whatever way they find to discourage opting-out, it won't be pleasant and it will be unfair. Kids and parents will be coerced to use the finger-print scanners, don't doubt it.

  • by Fnord666 (889225) on Saturday October 08, 2011 @04:12PM (#37649786) Journal

    yes, blame this on teachers, not on the management that is making the decisions. good job, you've managed to blame someone with no say in this at all!

    Whooosh!!!

  • by artor3 (1344997) on Saturday October 08, 2011 @04:31PM (#37649930)

    Those cases were back before the Republicans started stacking the SCOTUS with partisan hacks. If those cases were argued today, the result would yet another 5-4 decision pissing on us serfs.

  • by artor3 (1344997) on Saturday October 08, 2011 @06:16PM (#37650594)

    They ruled that money is equivalent to speech, and corporations deserve all the rights of actual human beings. They issued this ruling, overturning a near century of precedent, because it benefited their party in an upcoming election. Even the plaintiffs that "won" the case hadn't asked for such a ruling -- the so-called "justices" ordered them to go back and re-argue the case for no reason other than to give them an excuse to issue the ruling they had already decided on. Only an absolute fool could fail to recognize just how corrupt they are.

  • by bipbop (1144919) on Saturday October 08, 2011 @07:26PM (#37650966)

    I'm not going to mod you down, because I think you have some valid points. You should be aware, though, that from the way you write, you sound a bit crazy. Don't capitalize random words. Say the point you want to make first. Then give your examples, and explain them if necessary. If you work to sound more rational, people will take your points more seriously.

    To put it another way: if people think you're crazy, they'll ignore everything you say. If your goal is to make a difference, you have to not sound crazy.

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