European Court of Justice To Outlaw Net Filtering 171
jrepin writes "Today, the European Court of Justice gave a preliminary opinion that will have far-reaching implications in the fight against overaggressive copyright monopoly abusers. It is not a final verdict, but the advocate general's position; the Court generally follows this. The Advocate Generals says that no ISP can be required to filter the Internet, and particularly not to enforce the copyright monopoly."
This will never fly. (Score:2)
Re:This will never fly. (Score:5, Insightful)
Corporations will win. Always.
FTFS:
no ISP can be required to filter the Internet
Well it does say can be required to, that doesn't mean they can't be convinced, paid, or otherwise motivated to filter the Internet.
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Corporations will win. Always.
FTFS:
no ISP can be required to filter the Internet
Well it does say can be required to, that doesn't mean they can't be convinced, paid, or otherwise motivated to filter the Internet.
Europe can always take a page from the US's playbook: the next time there's something to be remotely afraid of, it can be declared their "patriotic duty" to filter, monitor, etc. That can be done without passing a single law.
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Europe doesn't have that particular flavor of patriotism.
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For that matter, neither does most of the US.
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For that matter, neither does most of the US.
You nailed it. The US doesn't but the media can be absolutely convincing that it does. They only need to beat the drums of patriotism and focus on press releases made by the government since they are "official sources". They are unlikely to delve too deeply into whether that's really representative of the rest of the population. They're too busy defining a convenient norm that sells advertising.
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Again, that will not work in Europe. Patriotism died with the second world war, I think, or maybe the 60's.
Kiddie porn, on the other hand, will work just dandidly :/
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Do the trains run on time? I could use some predictable public transport.
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The problem is not that the US is fascistic the problem is right now the US is too "small d" democratic. Everyone wants a say in every damn thing even if they have no idea what they are talking about. They also want no cuts in any money THEY get from the government, while cutting everyone elses money and no tax increases for their group while not cutting any real spending. Everyone wants to cut "wasteful" spending but noone wants to define what wasteful is except for a few token programs.
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Forbid and suppress opposition (OK, so a little historical, but I don't think attitudes have changed THAT much since then):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mccarthyism [wikipedia.org]
Detention without trial (vis a vis Guantanamo) isn't a great sign either.
And I'm sure you're aware of that old jibe that the US is a single party system, considering how few policy differences there are between the Republicans and Democrats. The lack of any even remotely competitive third parties should be a bit of a warning too.
I'm not actually t
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Europe isn't a country though - it's a collection of countries all with very different notions of patriotism.
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"Patriotic Duty" to what?
Europe as a government isn't based on a ideology - it's based on practicality (no matter what the citizens of the member states may think :S). It just happens that many of the member states share similar ideologies.
We owe no duty to it (though we do pay some :P) - in fact if anything many countries will view it as their patriotic duty not to obey Europe, when it's not in their countries interest.
"Patriotism" has a true meaning and it has a false meaning. The true meaning is like that saying about loving your country so much that you politically oppose its government when its government gets out of control (just to be clear - I am talking about political, civil, non-violent opposition).
The false meaning is more like mindlessly supporting its government so you can feel like you're part of something greater than yourself with no regard for whether the government deserves your support. It's usually d
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Don't suppose you remember the wars in the Balkins?
Re:This will never fly. (Score:4, Informative)
Indeed.
Falkvinge.net says the exact opposite of what I read dozens of times today. All articles I read today say that that very same advocate general, mister Cruz Villalón, said that if individual countries make laws requiring ISPs to filter the web, there's nothing the EU can/will do. Only without those local laws, it would be illegal.
Some of my sources:
Translation of tweakers.net [google.nl]
Translation of nu.nl [google.nl]
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The corporations don't want to filter the internet. It's just hassle and pain.
They may well bow to government pressure to do so if it looks like less pain than the threatened alternative - but this strengthens their hand.
Who will win? (Score:2)
Too much money riding on it. Corporations will win. Always
Aren't ISPs corporations too?
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Too much money riding on it. Corporations will win. Always
Aren't ISPs corporations too?
I think that was part of his point. Duh.
I don't think you're thinking things through. How would implementing costly filtering and being held accountable for doing it well and not pissing your customers off and losing them by doing so, ever be a win for an ISP? A win for them is to NOT be forced to do content filtering which is in direct opposition to the goals of companies that have money riding on content filtering being required.
Different Corporations on each side (Score:4, Interesting)
Those who charge for bandwidth love piracy - since if the cost of the content goes to zero, all the profit in home-viewing of movies will go to the telcom companies & ISPs.
Also, telcom companies are known to be at least as skilled and powerful at lobbying than the copyright groups.
And the last thing ISPs want is to start having to filter content and therefore potentially become legally responsible for every wikileak and drug deal done through their network.
It'll be an interesting fight.
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Those who charge for bandwidth love piracy - since if the cost of the content goes to zero, all the profit in home-viewing of movies will go to the telcom companies & ISPs.
I don't think you're thinking this through. ISPs generally don't like P2P because they don't get to charge both ends -- they get money from the "consumers" but they don't get to charge the "producers". Why do you think Comcast wanted to throttle BitTorrent, instead of just letting customers hit their caps and whacking them with ridiculous fees? It's because they'd much rather you use Netflix, so that they can charge Netflix for bandwidth and let customers hit their caps and whack them with ridiculous fees.
Copyright lobby won't let this stand. (Score:4, Insightful)
You can bet the Copywrite lobby will fight this tooth and nail. After all, their yacht payme^H^H^H^H^^H^H^H^H^H^H^H artists livelihoods are at stake!
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I hate the RIAA and their methods as much as anyone, but I don't think it is spurious to look at what's happened to the music industry in the last 15 years or so and say that the internet has not had a negative effect.
It will have a continuing negative effect on revenue - not that I care how much EMI makes, but I do care when by extension there is less money available to sign artists, promote music that is not currently mainstream, when lower quality music receives all the promotion dollars available from t
Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. (Score:5, Informative)
Nah, people just have to get it through their heads that they will have to do it themselves instead of expecting someone else to do it for them. A full 24-bit digital recording studio that beats anything that was available to Pink Floyd, The Beatles, or Zeppelin will cost you only a few hundred dollars these days. Less than a good drum set. Stop whining and get to work on it.
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Anyone can walk into a music shop and buy a Les Paul too, but that doesn't mean they can produce material anywhere near the quality of Jimmy Page. A tool means nothing without knowledge.
The quality of recording facilities does matter. The quality of those engineering, mixing, and producing does matter. The quality of session players available does matter.
"So, use a computer - dummy" has very little to do with it.
Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. (Score:5, Insightful)
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You're conflating a lot things here. Talent is the first and last key to art, and can overcome inferior tools and distribution. However talent is singular, and cannot be bought or taught. At a certain point the quality of tools reaches a sort of "Monster Cables" level of diminishing returns. Truly good music will sound amazing whether it is recorded and produced in a high budget studio with a stupidly huge team or if it is recorded with a few hundred bucks worth of mid-grade hobbyist equipment and the artists themselves. Really expensive tools and teams can make talentless douchebags sound good, that's the whole pop music industry in a nutshell, but people with talent remain so even with inferior equipment.
That is very true. Let's assume for the sake of argument that that high budget studio is an absolute requirement for the production of good music (it's not.) Let's further assume that artists still need expensive advertising campaigns (they don't) or radio airplay (not anymore) to promote and sell their music. That still would not justify the incredible overhead of the big music studios, their profiteering, and the societal and legal damage they and their corrupt "trade organizations" are causing the world
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However talent is singular, and cannot be bought or taught
I've yet to meet a really good musician who wasn't taught their skills by other musicians. Perhaps one or two self-taught types are out there and are a success story. The rest all got taught. Often those lessons were paid for.
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However talent is singular, and cannot be bought or taught
I've yet to meet a really good musician who wasn't taught their skills by other musicians. Perhaps one or two self-taught types are out there and are a success story. The rest all got taught. Often those lessons were paid for.
I think you were replying to ElectricTurtle.
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Pop music is an animal unto itself and really isn't music in the same sense. I don't think it's useful to say that "computerization can make anyone sound good" - while that might be true for a pop singer who only ever sings to backing tracks, it's not really what I mean by "music". (and they finance real music, so it's ok with me)
I know you say that amazing music will sound amazing even if it's recorded in a toolshed, but this really isn't the case. You can go find quotes from the band, but you mentioned Pi
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Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. (Score:5, Insightful)
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There are/were quite a few specialist record stores that specialize in a genre, people who like that genre could go in there and find music (known and unknown) in that genre, it allowed people the chance to discover music released by artists themselves or small labels.
These days however, you have large chains that mostly only stockpile popular shit, the Biebers of the day, and they are out pricing the smaller record stores
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Talent is the first and last key to art, ... and cannot be bought or taught.
You clearly havn't been watching shows like "American Idol".
Missing the point. (Score:2)
For every realized brilliant engineer/mixer/producer, there are more, possibly many more, unrealized ones. In the days when TV studios were building-sized, you needed to work for years to gain access to one to tell your story. Then camcorders, webcams, and youtube happened, and while 99% of what's on there is crap, 1% of it is brilliant work from people who could never have gained access to the big studios. That 1% represents a two or five or tenfold increase in the amount of smart/clever/funny/important vi
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Plus he can sell his music DRM-free and at a low price (killing the incentive to pirate), and take all the profit for himself. 100% of $5-$10 is better than 3-20% of $20-$30*
*Yes I know there are certain values of that for which it isn't true, but you won't get anywhere near a 20% cut unless you're a chart-topping legendary megasuperstar.
Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. (Score:5, Insightful)
100% of $5-$10 is better than 3-20% of $20-$30*
As a lot of people selling games, e-books, music, and movies have found out,
100% of $1-$2 is better than 100% of $5-$10.
It turns out you really can make it up on volume.
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You're kind of missing the point. The idea is, with zero marginal cost (i.e. internet distribution), you can make a more money selling a certain number of units for a lower price than selling 10% as many units for a 500% higher unit price. The idea that you might not be able to make back your production costs at the low price doesn't enter into it -- you're making more money at a lower price than a higher price, so if you can't make a profit charging $1 then you'll lose even more by charging $5.
Especially b
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To be fair, any price above $0 is an incentive to pirate. I know people who, because they learned how to pirate, regard paying any money for anything digital as the equivalent of throwing money in the trash.
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The recording media (the computer) is cheap/software But are you seriously of the opinion that you can build a room like Abbey Road has, buy the microphones that the beatles used (or even comparable microphones), and the gear (amps, instruments) that they used? Heck, even buying an interface with as many mic-preamps as would be needed to duplicate the recording conditions of the beatles costs more than a few hundred dollars. Not to mention that the speakers you'll need to even know what the hell it is you'r
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Sure, you will need to make an investment. However, if you make the right investment then $3,000 spent on the right home studio gear today, combined with someone with talent to handle it, will take you a lot further than $30,000 out of the money the label promised you. Remember, your buddy who's doing this as a favor/because it's good practice/because you're buying him pizza isn't billing you hundreds of dollars per hour for labor and hundreds of dollars per hour for "equipment rental" and similar shenaniga
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Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. (Score:5, Insightful)
I rarely pull out the corporate shill card, but I'm pretty sure you neatly fit the category: someone who supports a corporate benefit that directly conflicts with the benefit of society in general - bonus if the UID is near 2M. Let me explain to you why I think that, and it is primarily because you ask a lot of leading questions where your hoped for answer is in conflict with reality.
The engines that brought us basically all music from the 1950s until today are going away, and there isn't really any replacement.
Wrong. Those engines were radio and pressed media. They didn't go away, they were replaced by a better distribution medium: the Internet.
Your comments about publicly supported music ring true in the jazz and classical genres. I doubt if we're going to see subsidies to support music in other areas because there are no education bodies with an interest in that.
Wrong. The most common education bodies teach guitar (local music shops), and the big music departments cover everything from medieval string music to jazz to grunge rock to avant-guarde atonal music. The educational support is broad and deep, as is the demand for music. The only place where demand is narrow and shallow is in the big record labels. If it doesn't fit the Justin Bieber/Britney Spears template, it gets buried.
Another thing is, even if (according to another poster) I own a computer so I should be able to produce music at just as high quality as anyone has ever produced, if I'm burning CD-Rs and handing them out at shows for $5, what does that really do for music in our cultural consciousness?
And this is why they teach you to always answer your rhetorical questions, just in case someone doesn't follow your lead. I'll tell you what it does for our cultural consciousness: it enriches it. If the record is good, I'll pass it to my friends. Hey, listen to this! This guy/girl rocks. They'll pass it around. They'll buy the next record, evangelize it as well, go to shows - the whole nine yards. If they don't like it, it quietly dies. Will that person make billions from that one record? Probably not - and there is no reason that anyone should make billions from a one time activity.
Is an album great if no one ever hears it?
Let me turn the question around: in the age of instant world-wide distribution, is an album bad if no one wants to hear it or distribute it? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes. Otherwise, it would get distributed.
Perhaps, but what has it done for us? What has it done for us versus what could have been done?
This means that your next questions have been answered already as well: it's completely irrelevant what could have happened, because a lot of people decided not to move the record into our general cultural consciousness. That's the definition of an item not being culturally relevant.
Music doesn't change the world by osmosis, it has to enter many millions of ears.
Correct. And the Internet makes sure that everyone can put music into many millions of ears. What has changed from the past 50 years - and where the past 50 years were a complete historical aberration - is that there aren't any more a few dozen people who control what music reaches the ears of millions of people. And it scares the living daylights out of these people, because their jobs have permanently disappeared. Instead, music is back where it should be: in the public consciousness, where it floats to the top based on how many people distribute it.
In short: your entire premise actually goes against the text that you're promoting. The last 50 years were a complete destruction of music as a cultural phenomenon, and were instead the age of music as an industry. The Internet is changing that, and I hope to God that you find a job that doesn't have "destroy culture to monetize it" in its job description.
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When the lead-in into every paragraph in a comment is 'wrong' or 'correct' it means somebody is not participating in a discussion.
Don't blather on about shills, dude. GP had a point and you just papered it over with the usual cliches.
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Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. (Score:5, Interesting)
I hate the RIAA and their methods as much as anyone, but I don't think it is spurious to look at what's happened to the music industry in the last 15 years or so and say that the internet has not had a negative effect.
I suspect it's had far less of a negative effect than replacing musicians with manufactured bands designed by marketers.
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Labels manufacture boy bands and it-girls because they sell. While nobody is under any delusions that Justin Bieber will be around in 20 years, at least his vapid music/coasters end up funding the enterprise that sets actual musicians up with studio time, airplay, engineers, producers, etc.
All I am saying to /. is that this problem is more complicated than "label it and kill it" / "record industry = evil". The record industry has done both good and evil. If it disappears, some evil disappears but some good
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Labels manufacture boy bands and it-girls because they sell.
Then why does the music industry keep complaining that it's not making money anymore?
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Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm an amateur musician, but among the semi-professionals I know no one has any delusions about breaking into the music industry anymore. It's really changed the landscape because the industry itself has shrunk dramatically.
Got any numbers to back up your claims that the music industry has "shrunk dramatically"?
From what I've seen with people I know it definitely seems that if anything for amateur/semi-pro musicians the possibilities have grown. At least this is true for those who have ambitions beyond "playing covers in local bars".
Fifteen years ago if you produced and pressed your own album in a small run you were considered a nobody (didn't matter if it was 5,000 copies, you still weren't as "pro" as the guy with a minor record deal who's first album fizzled and who's second album release only involved 500 copies so the label would fulfill it's contractual obligations). These days there's no shame in it, if anything "I don't want to be screwed over by the labels" is a perfectly valid reason rather than a lame excuse (as it used to be).
Fifteen years ago if you gave your music away for free (be it online or as actual CDs) that meant nothing, it probably would've gotten people talking about how you were trying to game the charts by claiming the albums as sales. These days it's ok to put up a website to share your music (perhaps with a link to iTunes for those who want to pay for it).
Fifteen years ago the only real chance you had of making a video that ended up getting seen by 100,000 viewers was a record deal and letting the studio bring in their pros to create your video (taking the cost of this out of the money they were going to pay you). These days you can get that many viewers if you have a good band, a friend with a HD cam or a DSLR and another friend who's kind of good with FCP or Premiere (just film a few shows, get a little more material to match the mood of the song, edit and upload to youtube).
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"These days you can get that many viewers if you have a good band, a friend with a HD cam or a DSLR and another friend who's kind of good with FCP or Premiere (just film a few shows, get a little more material to match the mood of the song, edit and upload to youtube)."
If only producing things at the production quality people expect in music they pay money for were just as "you + computer, viola" as Slashdot believes...
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"These days you can get that many viewers if you have a good band, a friend with a HD cam or a DSLR and another friend who's kind of good with FCP or Premiere (just film a few shows, get a little more material to match the mood of the song, edit and upload to youtube)."
If only producing things at the production quality people expect in music they pay money for were just as "you + computer, viola" as Slashdot believes...
It's not. But neither is the expense of hiring a couple of pros to do some of the work so high that it justifies the existence of the record labels. The big labels are criminal organizations that should have been disbanded decades ago.
Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. (Score:5, Interesting)
It basically is - just listen to Friday by Rebecca Black:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0 [youtube.com]
The cost of making music that the masses listen too are not very expensiv.
With 101 miljon viewers on youtube its a huge viral success that many 'commercial' artist can only dream about.
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Having 101 million viewers doesn't mean that the viewers actually liked it.
Somebody posted it on facebook with a comment about how "I can't believe kids actually listen to this crap", which showed up in my news feed. I watched it. My overall reaction was something along the lines of "well... if you try to ignore the lyrics, her voice, and the video, it's actually almost bearable."
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Indeed. Here's what YouTube says: 267,472 likes, 2,041,843 dislikes. That's the most skewed ratio of likes to dislikes I've
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Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. (Score:4, Interesting)
If only producing things at the production quality people expect in music they pay money for were just as "you + computer, viola" as Slashdot believes...
Who said anything about needing a viola? ;)
But seriously, you obviously need talent, and it definitely helps to surround yourself with other people who have talent (other musicians, audio engineers, etc). The thing is, there are lots of amateurs with talent in those areas. The Internet provides a means to connect with them, modern technology provides the ability for those without too much money to create content, and the WWW provides the ability to distribute. It's not a perfect system, but honestly, a decently talented amateur musician nowadays has a much better chance of becoming known online, at least enough to subsidize their efforts, maybe even make an honest living out of it, than they ever had before when their only hope was to get "discovered" by some elusive record company exec who'll promise them zillions of dollars and all the girls they can screw, only to turn around and screw them from the get-go.
I'm an amateur musician as well, and I used to be a professional musician (independent, mind you), and I'm quite enjoying watching the music industry crumble. I do think that society has shifted to a mindset that really doesn't value content highly (monetarily speaking), but I'm not convinced that's entirely a bad thing. On the other hand, I'm also not convinced that that in any way prevents artists from being able to make a living. It might spell the end of the mega-rich superstar, but that's not something I'll mourn the loss of.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/these-charts-explain-the-real-death-of-the-music-industry-2011-2 [businessinsider.com]
Now, of course, the "music industry" isn't just recorded music. It's also concerts, and those have been rising, right? Yes, but certainly not enough to makeup for the shortfall. According to this paper (http://www.nber.org/papers/w16507.pdf), th
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Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. (Score:4, Informative)
Anecdotal though it may be, I will point to my favorite guzheng player as an example. Bei Bei He [youtube.com] started out just posting amateur videos of performances to YouTube (which is when I started following her). Recording quality? Mediocre at best, but excellent performances. She self-published her first album, which caught the eye of an indie producer who collaborated with her on her second. Her music has been several times used as interstitials on NPR and is gaining popularity (though I doubt it will or even could be mainstream... guzhengs are unknown to most Americans/Westerners), but it started with self-published mediocre quality videos on YouTube. Talent shines regardless of tools.
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Social networking is all the promotion you need.
You're falling into the trap that the people who own the handful of big servers who sponsor and control virtually ALL of the 'social networking' want you to fall into.
Not that a comment here will matter. So many people here on Slashdot are either henchmen for said server operators, or duped True Believers of the 'social networking' ideology that it won't matter.
Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't think it is spurious to look at what's happened to the music industry in the last 15 years or so and say that the internet has not had a negative effect.
Nor would it be unfair to look at what has happened to the film camera industry in the last 15 years or so, and say that digital cameras have a negative effect on that industry. Likewise with the typewriter manufacturing industry.
The moral of the story is this: adapt or die. Adapt to new business challenges and conditions. This is what the music industry has had trouble with for over a hundred years now. Player pianos, phonograph records, AM radio, FM radio, tape recorders, MP3 and digital music formats, and the Internet have all been labelled as technologies that are killing the music industry. In each case, the music industry eventually relented, adapted, and saw higher profits than they had earlier.
Nobody feels any sympathy for businesses that fail to adapt to changes in the market and in technology. Especially not when those businesses have a history of abusing the legal system and trying to bankrupt college students.
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I hate the RIAA and their methods as much as anyone, but I don't think it is spurious to look at what's happened to the music industry in the last 15 years or so and say that the internet has not had a negative effect.
That's because the 'you can only purchase the album' business model was destroyed. Really it should never have been as lucrative as it was.
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a market change isn't negative to the market, it's only negative to that industry.
People spend their money elsewhere. It doesn't mean music is dying.
Re:Copyright lobby won't let this stand. (Score:4, Insightful)
I hate the RIAA and their methods as much as anyone, but I don't think it is spurious to look at what's happened to the music industry in the last 15 years or so and say that the internet has not had a negative effect.
I don't know, i used to buy plenty of Cd's, and i still do buy Cd's, but the last 15 years has seen extremely crappy 'artists', there's hardly anything coming out (from the major labels) i even want to listen to. It's not the internet that's killing the industry, it's lack of good material.
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I hate the RIAA and their methods as much as anyone, but I don't think it is spurious to look at what's happened to the music industry in the last 15 years or so and say that the internet has not had a negative effect.
The effect the internet has had has been to somewhat level the playing field between smaller acts and big labels, with the result that instead of getting a small handful of acts who each sell millions of recordings, you get a far larger number of smaller acts that can each make a living without becoming millionaires. The idea that getting more self-sustaining bands and more music but less of a chance for record companies to be king makers is, on balance, "a negative effect" seems highly disingenuous to me.
I'm an amateur musician, but among the semi-professionals I know no one has any delusions about breaking into the music industry anymore. It's really changed the landscape because the industry itself has shrunk dramatically.
I
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I hate the RIAA and their methods as much as anyone, but I don't think it is spurious to look at what's happened to the music industry in the last 15 years or so and say that the internet has not had a negative effect.
It will have a continuing negative effect on revenue - not that I care how much EMI makes, but I do care when by extension there is less money available to sign artists, promote music that is not currently mainstream, when lower quality music receives all the promotion dollars available from the now smaller pool, etc.
I'm an amateur musician, but among the semi-professionals I know no one has any delusions about breaking into the music industry anymore. It's really changed the landscape because the industry itself has shrunk dramatically.
Maybe people will see it as good in the future that most music will be local and self-released by the artist and the only acts with real national exposure will be the Britneys and Taylors who sell football stadiums. I just don't think some of the greatest records would have ever been recorded in the current and future system. We've lost something.
Oh, just release good stuff, and you won't have piracy issues. Iron Maiden really does nothing about piracy (other than look the other way, or encourage their fans to share IM's music amongst themselves), yet even with nearly 60,000 videos on YouTube, according to EMI, they don't have a piracy issue for Iron Maiden's stuff - people go out and BUY their music instead of pirating it. And they are buying it in record numbers for Iron Maiden. Someplace on IM's or EMI's website, you can found EMI's statement. So
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In other news (Score:5, Informative)
In a shocking development, the famous tech web site "Slashdot" has been found to post misleading headlines *again*. While the european court is moving to ban internet blocking without a law, it clearly states that it would be legal if a specific law would allow and specify the conditions for it.
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If nothing its a precursor to Net Neutrality.
Of course there needs to be that clause, otherwise they couldn't filter child pornography.
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That is just a concession that they have to put in to keep the national governments happy. They are going to want to block stuff like child pornography etc. It would still be extremely effective at preventing blocking on the grounds of copyright infringement and would give ISPs support when they tell the music and movie industries to fuck off. It would also prevent the ISPs from blocking rival video streaming sites because "they suck up too much bandwidth" etc.
This is very good news.
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It would also prevent the ISPs from blocking rival video streaming sites because "they suck up too much bandwidth" etc.
Sorry? I thought this proposal was saying that nobody can *force* the ISPs through the courts to block arbitrary content without an actual law *requiring* all ISPs to block it (such as child-pron). I didn't see anything in there stating that ISP's can't voluntarily and arbitrarily choose to filter content on their own initiative...but IANAL, maybe I missed it...
Please set an example (Score:2)
Filtering Haiku (Score:2)
European court
Has preliminary rule
BI now gives finger
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R.I.A.A. sad
Need More Bribes in Politics
Ensure Large Paychecks
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You need a season in there. Substitute "court" for "spring"?
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European spring
We joyously watch the blooms
no ISP block
The 'Court of Justice' (Score:2)
Is this between the Fortress of Solitude and Lex's Lair?
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Is this how they fish for "contributions"? (Score:2)
This kind of reminds of of the half-hearted threats to move away from Windows. Microsoft invariably rides in on a grey horse and offers them a better deal not to migrate away from Windows.
Does anyone have any expectations that this ruling, which is diametrically opposed to everything else we've been seeing, is anything but a cry for attention from the money-givers?
Updated article (Score:5, Informative)
Hello, Slashdot. I had intended to update this article tomorrow with a more detailed analysis, but given that it's now Slashdot Top Story, I posted the followup immediately. For your convenience:
What this does is say that:
One, no court may impose an ISP with an order to filter, in particular not because of enforcement of copyright monopolies;
Two, such filtering is a reduction of fundamental rights, so
Three, if laws are written requiring an ISP filter or block the internet, such laws must conform to very strict criteria that are applied to laws limiting fundamental rights. They must be effective, they must be proportionate, and they must be defensible in a democratic society. While this sounds like political wishywashing, it has some very specific meanings. It is useful to compare to what laws have been written to prevent terrorism: these laws are held to that standard, which the copyright industry wants badly to supersede. The Attorney General also goes into detail how such laws must be transparent and predictable.
What this does not say is that:
Four, no censorship must ever take place.
Five, no ISP may choose to limit what they present as "The Internet".
In conclusion:
Six, it has been the modus operandi of the copyright industry to threaten ISPs with "block to our wishes or we'll take you to court". This has been their standard operating procedure for the past couple of years, in order to establish enough precendents to get them written into law. Today's verdict, or potential verdict, gives those ISPs the power to say "go play on the highway, parasites, we have an order from the highest possible court saying no court can force us to do that. We care more about our customers than about obsolete irrelevants".
Seven, this is the highest court in Europe, referring to the (equivalent of) Constitution of Europe. Thus, there are no courts and no laws that can supersede this. No EU Directive can change this (potential) verdict. The way forward for the copyright industry appears permanently blocked; I hold it as absolutely improbable that they'll get paragraphs in the referred European Charter of Human Rights that put the copyright monopoly before the sanctity of correspondence, of personal data, and freedom of information.
There. Do I get karma for posting from my own blog when it is TFA?
Oh, and yay - my server is holding. *celebrate*
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Gah. Point five is wrong. Should read: Any ISP may voluntarily limit what they choose to call "The Internet".
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Ignore. I'm stressed out and missed that the headline reversed the meaning... gah. Slashdot stress.
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Regulation that promotes freedom? (Score:2)
Maximum freedom is achieved some amount of regulation. How much regulation is dependent on the society, and I think it is an unstable maximum, which is why we need to
Misleading! (Score:2)
What next? (Score:3)
One lever of influence gone: European courts*. What other levers exist to pressure ISPs into filtering?
Since the courts (or, more specifically, the threat of lengthy legal hassle) can no longer be used as a lever on ISPs to “voluntarily” filter content, what non-legal levers of influence will pro-filtering actors use on the ISPs? These aren't illegal levers, just ones which don't require the courts as bully. The separation of business interests (content creators and pipe-providers, for instance) suddenly becomes very important.
*Assuming the AG's opinion becomes a ruling, which is likely. Read the opinion -- pretty strong stuff.
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Queue the yanks? Where does the line form?
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I think he's hoarding that bit of information. I'm also puzzled over where he saw the word "Europe".
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RIAA/MPAA's response: Ah, but the ISPs aren't filtering the Internet, they're only filtering their individual pipes. And since there's more than one company, it's an ogliarchy, not a monopoly.