Extremists Warn South Park Creators Over Muhammad In a Bear Suit 1131
An anonymous reader writes "A radical Islamic website is warning the creators of South Park that they could face violent retribution for depicting the Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit during an episode broadcast on Comedy Central last week. RevolutionMuslim.com posted the warning following the 200th episode of Trey Parker and Matt Stone's South Park."
They couldn't want anything more (Score:5, Informative)
If you watch the episode, the members of South Park conclude that the only way to _NOT OFFEND_ Muslims is to put him in a bear suit.
Unfortunately, it looks like in the real world, the Muslims are even more crazy than South Park has depicted them to be. It shows exactly how wacko the muslim community is.
It's similar to the Scientology episode...except, they didn't actually get sued by Scientologists. I daresay, that Scientologists are more sane in this regard than Muslims.
Re:Is there anything they won't mock? (Score:3, Informative)
That said, have they ever refused to parody or ridicule someone or something? Is there anything that is "sacred" to them?
I suspect not. They seem consistent.
Remember Chef/Isaac Hayes - despite being a great character, they were happy to let him protest and walk, in the name of freedom of expression.
Re:Religion of peace eh? (Score:3, Informative)
Mix-up: they already had depicted him before... (Score:5, Informative)
I mixed up things, they actually depicted him 2001 as TFA says in "super best friends" , but as I stated, I don't recall anybody said anything back then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Best_Friends [wikipedia.org]
"Cartoon Wars Part II" is a different show aired after the danish
Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon_Wars_Part_II [wikipedia.org]
Re:Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him (Score:5, Informative)
Christianity used to honor a similar tradition to prevent idolatry.
Re:Hmm.. they already had depicted him before... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Gotta love... (Score:4, Informative)
Maybe it's because although some Christians might send angry letters they are very unlikely to act on it. Muslims, on the other hand, already have. One recent high profile example: Theo van Gogh. Then were all the violent protests over those cartoons.
Then there are those who had to go into hiding. Salman Rushdie had a bounty on his head for many years as have many others who criticized or mocked Islam in some way. And sometimes this happens for fairly benign reasons, but it just happens to draw the ire of the right people.
Re:"warn"? Are you kidding me? (Score:3, Informative)
Bronze Age? (Score:3, Informative)
When someone calls upon the nut-jobs of the world to murder you because you pissed off their bronze-age sky fairy,
I'm an Atheist myself, but to exactly what "bronze-age sky fairy" are you referring?
The Bronze Age ended more than a millenium before the birth of Muhammad.
If you're going to disparage a religion, at least try to educate yourself minimally about it. Be a responsible Atheist.
Perhaps "medieval sky fairy" would be more appropriate
Read your history (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Pedobear? (Score:2, Informative)
Hardly, his first wife was a widow in her 30's and he younger than she. His youngest though was 6, but he held off until she was 10 before dipping the stick. At that time, he was in his 50's.
Re:"warn"? Are you kidding me? (Score:1, Informative)
(Posting anonymous for obvious reasons)
Haven't you heard what the Danes have been going through with the Mohammed Cartoons for years now ? Getting threats from any kind of religious fanatics should be taken seriously. From breaking into cartoonists House's with an Axe trying to murder him and his grandchild to bombing newspaper trucks. Funny is though its not only the fanatics, it is also Muslim lawyers from said countries going after the newspapers and writers here some quick links off the top of my head in english from Denmark.
Somali attacks Mohammed cartoonist http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article871593.ece [politiken.dk]
Cartoon paper was to be truck bombed http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article880501.ece [politiken.dk]
Saudi demand on Mohammed cartoon http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article778665.ece [politiken.dk]
Politiken settles Mohammed cartoon issue http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article911102.ece [politiken.dk]
Re:And So Al Amrikee Invokes The Streisand Effect? (Score:3, Informative)
I really don't understand why the Muslim community is not publicly outraged at these people that give their faith a bad name.
They are. There have been plenty of attempts by communities all over North America and the Middle East to raise awareness about the section of the community (read: a big slice, probably the biggest slice ie the majority) that is completely opposed to these assholes. I've gone to public discussions about the true nature of Jihad (it's an intellectual and spiritual struggle, not a physical or fanatical war), I've visited the Middle East, and I've talked to my Muslim friends in Canada, and pretty much as a unit they don't consider these idiots to be Muslims at all, just violent thugs with wrong-headed ideas that have nothing to do with Islam proper.
Actually he did, just in a more subtle way (Score:5, Informative)
Source [wikipedia.org].
Re:Gotta love... (Score:2, Informative)
Oh c'mon. Scientology isn't a religion. It's a pyramid scheme with a lot of lawyers.
Re:It could have been worse.... (Score:4, Informative)
Mohammed (PBUH) did have a 7 year old wife. People who idolize that while threatening violence toward a cartoon are, well, not stable.
Lol, same old bullshit. Gatorboy refers to Aisha whose age at marriage is yet another unknown that anti-islamic extremists like to hang their hats on - there is just as much evidence to suggest that she was 17 as there is to suggest she was 7, for example it was common for arabs to leave the tens digit off of numbers when they thought the magnitude was obvious. There are other contemporaneous references that also suggest Aisha was significantly older than 7, and really only one major reference that she was 7 - except that particular chronicler isn't considered an expert on Aisha and was like 70 himself when he wrote about it long after the fact. In any case, Aisha is probably the most accomplished and revered of his wives, so all the evidence suggests she did not end up damaged so was probably not subjected to the accused immorality in the first place.
Re:Gotta love... (Score:3, Informative)
George Tiller.
There are many more words, but just assume I can rattle off at a dozen Christian terrorist attacks against abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood offices without resorting to Wikipedia.
And just to save myself a round of back and forth with an apologist for these acts of Christian terrorism, let me pre-emptively give my likely response: the Ku Klux Klan. They don't exactly burn those crosses for warmth, you know...
Re:Gotta love... (Score:3, Informative)
Do you have any idea how many muslims there are in the world, vs. how many have committed terrible acts in the name of their religion? That ratio could be considered "isolated incidents" as well. Granted, my gut reaction is that the M ratio would be higher than the C, but it's still a very small percentage.
Re:And So Al Amrikee Invokes The Streisand Effect? (Score:3, Informative)
Except for roughly 700 years (300a.d. - 1000a.d.)
But more to the point:
Not every rectangle is a square, but every square is a rectangle.
So, not every Christian is a Catholic, but every Catholic is a Christian.
Re:Gotta love... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Gotta love... (Score:4, Informative)
Not to downplay the harm that Christianity causes .... but for every one of your dozen Christian terrorist attacks, I can point to a hundred that were conducted by Muslims.
The sad thing to me is not many people know about those attacks only because they didn't happen here and our media doesn't shove them in our faces 24/7.
As a result people don't understand the enormity of Islamic extremism. They can peacefully think of it as a fringe activity or "tiny minority" that lives in remote caves or something.
It would have been great to see more coverage of Taliban activity in Pakistan over the last few years. A lot of people don't understand or don't see the point in "helping" the Afghans, probably because they don't know that e.g. when the Taliban took over the Swat Valley in Pakistan they bombed or burned down over 100 girls schools. They hung signs in the market places saying "No women allowed". It's a very large, widespread, in your face phenomenon, not a few guys with long beards making videos and holding occasional marches.
Re:Gotta love... (Score:2, Informative)
Ah, I knew someone would bring up Abortion as proof that Christianity was just as violent as Islam.
There's been what, 10 abortion killings, ever? That's so clearly proof that Christians are just as much a threat as the same religion that's exiled Jews from their lands, launched worldwide terrorist guerrilla wars of conquest against practically every other religion, in Malaysia, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Sudan...the same religion that riots through France and Belgium torching cars, demands Sharia law trump all national laws and customs, and rarely condemns their own honor killings and terrorism against their own members (see Hamas vs. Fatah, Sunni vs. Shiite).
Christians, like practically every other adult religion regularly condemn any extremists. For every abortion killing numerous public groups come out and condemn the killer.
Next time you want to try and make a moral equivalence argument, try looking at the facts.
Re:Gotta love... (Score:3, Informative)
Matthew 10:14-15 Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24).
Matthew 11:20-24 Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching.
anyway:
The passages in the Qur'an that command fighting pertain to the early Muslims' struggle with the militant pagans (kafirun, kuffar) of ancient Mecca. The mercantile Meccan elite dominate lower Red Sea trade and worshipped star goddesses; they determined to wipe out the new religion of Islam as it gathered converts through the 610s and set up as a city-state in Yathrib/ Medina in the 620s CE. As I have pointed out before, a careful study of the word kafir or infidel in the Qur'an will show that it never is used in an unadorned way to refer to non-Muslims in general. It implies paganism, or alliance with paganism, and often has overtones of militant hostility to Muslims and Islam. In contrast, the Christians are called 'closest in love' to the Muslims, and the Children of Israel are repeatedly praised. There is a passage referring to those who commit kufr or infidelity from among the people of the book (i.e. Jews and Christians) [2:105]. But this diction demonstrates that the word for infidel does not ordinarily extend to those groups. The ones condemned probably had allied with the pagans who were trying to destroy Islam and kill all Muslims, against whom the Qur'an advises believers to wage defensive war ("kill them wherever you find them" [2:191]- i.e. defend yourself against the fanatic pagans trying to kill you).
There are fundamentalist Muslims who use the word 'kafir' to refer to all non-Muslims, but the Qur'an does not support this usage. Anti-Muslim bigots in the US use these simplistic ideas of fundamentalists to condemn Islam and all Muslims.
All you have to do is look at the fate of the conquered Canaanites under Joshua (who were to be wiped out in a biblical genocide) and the fate of the Meccans when the Muslims overcame them (almost none were killed and they went on to flourish in the Islamic empire despite their earlier attempt at mass murder aimed at the prophet and his followers), to see the difference between the two.
My experience is, people are people. They're all equally capable of the same good and evil, across religions and cultures, and how much of each they commit has to do with both their opportunities and their character at any point in history.
Re:And So Al Amrikee Invokes The Streisand Effect? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:And So Al Amrikee Invokes The Streisand Effect? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Gotta love... (Score:4, Informative)
Muslims believe in a line of prophets that included Moses and Jesus, of which Muhammad is the last and greatest. So they beleive the words of Muhammad supercede those of all earlier prophets, although cling pretty tightly to Abrahamic laws, which makes them very similar to the Jews (I believe both were originally Caananites anyway.) Anybody familiar with the Gnostic Gospels [wikipedia.org] might objectively conclude that Christianity HAS been corrupted from it's founders original tenets. Islam has been corrupted to a lesser extent, if only because it hasn't been around as long and it has insisted that study of the Koran be done in the original Arabic, unlike the hundreds of translations that have been done of the Holy Bible. Nevertheless, Muslims continue to kill each other over arguments related to which of Muhammed's sons inherited which responsibilities for preserving the faith. But ultimately, Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham. Monotheism was invented by the Jews, and for that I may never forgive them.
Alright, I'm a Muslim, (Score:2, Informative)