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Feds Question Big Media's Piracy Claims 261

WrongSizeGlass writes "CNET is reporting that the GAO's study of big media's piracy claims has raised some questions. (Here are the study's summary, highlights [PDF], and full report [PDF].) 'After spending a year studying how piracy and illegal counterfeiting affects the United States, the Government Accountability Office says it still doesn't know for sure.... The GAO said that most of the published information, anecdotal evidence, and records show that piracy is a drag on the US economy, tax revenue, and in some cases potentially threatens national security and public health. But the problem is, according to the GAO, the data used to quantify piracy isn't reliable.'"
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Feds Question Big Media's Piracy Claims

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  • by BadAnalogyGuy ( 945258 ) <BadAnalogyGuy@gmail.com> on Tuesday April 13, 2010 @02:04PM (#31835674)

    You know, despite the seemingly ultranerdy reputation of Dungeons and Dragons, there are actually quite a few un-nerdy people who play it. Skipping past a slew of big names, I think one super-cool, hyper-athletic example is enough. Vin Diesel. This guy, who plays total badasses in his movies, is actually a laid back D&D player in his spare time.

    How can you effectively attack a position without a comprehensive understanding of it? If you want to say piracy is not leading to a decline in sales, then you need real numbers to back it up. For all the vitriol we throw around here on /., there is a whole lot of anecdotal posturing, but not a whole lot of solid numbers. The same goes both ways, of course, and I'm ecstatic to see the GAO investigating these claims.

    Let's lay myths to rest. The truth is where we must start from, not from our foundation of biases. As long as you think that D&D is just for loser nerds, you'll never be able to understand the game and its enthusiastic audience.

  • Should it include (Score:2, Interesting)

    by SnarfQuest ( 469614 ) on Tuesday April 13, 2010 @02:05PM (#31835696)

    Should piracy claims include finding copies of "Star Trek" on hard drives you bought as Best Buys?

  • by unity100 ( 970058 ) on Tuesday April 13, 2010 @02:05PM (#31835706) Homepage Journal

    apparently they werent able to fill that agency full to the brim with lobby endorsed appointees yet.

  • Bad Dog! (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 13, 2010 @02:07PM (#31835752)

    So much for not biting the hand that feeds you.... Hmm, maybe they're just trying to get them to up their bribes, sorry I mean campaign contributions to match that of the pharmaceutical industry, then they'll release an update stating that it's even worse then they thought.

  • Re:Not reliable? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by scalarscience ( 961494 ) on Tuesday April 13, 2010 @02:18PM (#31835990)
    Actually my guess is that this is how they're going to finally 'open up' about the ACTA. They need justification to pollute the airwaves/media outlets with false claims that there is no hard data on 'how bad this problem is' since we can't yet track the statistics via beurocracy, so therefore we need mechanisms like 3-strikes so that we can begin to collect info on 'how bad things really are'.
  • by mcgrew ( 92797 ) * on Tuesday April 13, 2010 @02:47PM (#31836572) Homepage Journal

    Well, that's the thing. You can't tell how many women have been raped, only how many have reported being raped. You can't tell how many people smoke pot, you can't tell how many hookers there are, and there's no way of knowing how many pirates there are and what their motivations for piracy are. A pirated tune or movie may turn into more than one sale, there's just no way of knowing.

  • Re:Not reliable? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Chris Burke ( 6130 ) on Tuesday April 13, 2010 @03:06PM (#31836936) Homepage

    They included accidents wherein passengers had alcohol in their systems, even though the drivers were completely sober.

    And regardless of which car the person who had been drinking is in.

    As in: You're stopped at a red light, passenger in your back seat had a couple drinks, and some douche talking on their cell phone rear-ends you. That counts as an alcohol-related accident.

  • Re:Not reliable? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Old97 ( 1341297 ) on Tuesday April 13, 2010 @03:11PM (#31837020)
    Its a bit worse than that in the U.S. actually. Accidents that are commonly associated with alcohol abuse, i.e. single car accidents at night when the car goes off the road and hits a tree, are also counted as alcohol related with or without any evidence that alcohol or any substance was involved at all. If you fall asleep at the wheel hit a tree and die, that is counted as alcohol-related.
  • by mykos ( 1627575 ) on Tuesday April 13, 2010 @03:15PM (#31837100)
    I'd seriously like to know. If they honestly believe piracy is hurting their business and that their data is sound, they should put it on their taxes as a business loss. The IRS will sort it out.
  • Re:In Soviet Amerika (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Tuesday April 13, 2010 @03:59PM (#31837926)
    Privatizing the upside and socializing the downside is the only way to get guaranteed win. Risking your own money is for noobs.

    Or to beat a dead analogy... If I pass my test it is because I'm a bright student; if I fail the test it is because the teachers are incompetent.
  • and the answer is "very little, if any $"

    and then i ask you: so what? how has anything changed?

    this is the way it has always been, and always will be: a few artists make millions, the other 99% struggle in obscurity. the internet doesn't change this

    except... it does

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Tail [wikipedia.org]

    with the internet and the new economic phenomenon the long tail that the internet makes possible, all those little acts that in previous eras would be cut out of the action, now they get action. they're not all going to become millionaires, but they'll make 5 figures rather 4 figures, or 6 figures rather than 5 figures, or even 4 figures rather 3 figures is nice even

    with no riaa ownership trolling of our culture, the fringe just got more lucrative, in aggregate, than a world where you only got ANY exposure if you signed a distribution deal (and even then, you were usually screwed: only the HUGEST hits had any bargaining power with the distributors)

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