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Network Solutions Suspends Site of Anti-Islam Film 874

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from the pre-emptive-suppression dept.
h4rm0ny notes the furor over an anti-Islamic movie due to be released on the Web in the next week. After Pakistan disrupted YouTube worldwide over an interview with right-wing Dutch MP and filmmaker Geert Wilders, Network Solutions, acting as host as well as registrar, has suspended Wilders's site promoting the 15-minute film "Fitna" (a Koranic term translated as "strife"). The site now displays a notice that it is under investigation for possible violations of NetSol's acceptable use policy. According to the article the company's guidelines include "a sweeping prohibition against 'objectionable material of any kind or nature.'" The article describes the site's content before NetSol pulled the plug as a single page with the film's title, an image of the Koran, and the words "Coming Soon." No one but Wilders has seen the film to date. The Dutch government has distanced itself from the film, fearing Muslim backlash. A million Muslims live in The Netherlands. Wilders's party, which controls 9 of 150 seats in the Dutch parliament, was elected on an anti-immigration platform.
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Network Solutions Suspends Site of Anti-Islam Film

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  • by Eggplant62 (120514) on Sunday March 23, 2008 @05:14PM (#22838754)
    So, being SubGenius myself and rather abhorrent of any and all religions, does anyone else think that I can get NetSol to close down any and all religious websites that they currently host?

    No? Me either, but hey, it'd be fun to try.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Brian Gordon (987471)
      Why would anyone ever use them? They're expensive and their AUP is absurd.
    • I'm offended (Score:5, Interesting)

      by crow (16139) on Sunday March 23, 2008 @05:38PM (#22838912) Homepage Journal
      I'm offended by any material served by Network Solutions. Hence all their customers are in violation of the terms of service, so they should all be shut down.

      How many complaints does it take to shut down a site? Let's pick one at random, and get it shut down. Then pick another...
    • "a sweeping prohibition against 'objectionable material of any kind or nature.'"

      EVERYTHING is objectionable to someone. You either close down the entire Internet, or none of it. No picking and choosing in-between.

    • So, being SubGenius myself and rather abhorrent of any and all religions, does anyone else think that I can get NetSol to close down any and all religious websites that they currently host?

      Speaking as a Discordian myself, I approve of people of all religions getting their panties in a twist and trying to blow each other to smithereens. It's exciting fun and makes for fantastic television. It would go against my beliefs to take any of these religious websites down. I therefore find it necessary to declare a counter-Fatwah on you! Double double neener neener to you, good sir. And all that.

      Onward Christian Soldiers,
      Onward Buddhist Priests.
      Onward, Fruits of Islam,
      Fight till you're de

  • by gozu (541069) on Sunday March 23, 2008 @05:15PM (#22838762) Journal
    Hi, I don't give a fuck about some dutch movie. Now, back to the..uh..musliming.
  • by 26199 (577806) * on Sunday March 23, 2008 @05:18PM (#22838786) Homepage
    Nothing much interesting [bbc.co.uk] but if you follow one of the 'see also' links there's an old video interview [bbc.co.uk] where he talks about his views on Islam.
  • Serious Question: (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Penguinisto (415985) on Sunday March 23, 2008 @05:23PM (#22838814) Journal
    If we replaced all instances of the word "Islam" with "Scientology", what would your reaction be?

    Now replace the same word with "Catholicism". Then "Buddhism". Then "Liberalism". Then Conservatism"...

    Censorship over mere ideals? Sucks no matter what angle you view it from.

    /P

  • by zappepcs (820751) on Sunday March 23, 2008 @05:44PM (#22838962) Journal
    Someone made a film that consists entirely of Muslims protesting violently to stupid shit all over the planet? I'd say 15-20 minutes of film showing nothing but angry violent Muslims protesting stupid shit should be enough to paint them as stupid, to the point that anytime they protest anything the entirety of the rest of the world would laugh at them.

    Seriously, not all Muslims are violent. Not all Muslims protest everyone else that does anything anywhere in the world that does not affect them. This whole 'insult to Islam' business is as out of control as political correctness in the US. We should start hanging signs up everywhere that state "Sharia Law not legal here" ()

    The non-Muslim part of the world should be posting that loudly and proudly... to the point that ordinary Muslim peoples are ASHAMED of their violent militant Muslim friends. When other Muslims tell them to STFU and sit down perhaps the rest of us can stop worrying about stepping on the toes of Muhammed, prophet or otherwise.

    No, I do not for an instant believe that Christians or Jews are any better. All the BS about Mr Gibson's movie was stupid. The crap about The Davinci Code was idiotic. The bruhaha about 'The last temptation of Christ' was ignorant. All of these religious groups that are claiming sacred right to this and that and feel they are being insulted actually need to adhere to the words in their books. Oh, but that's the problem... they think they are. Well, for all their 'righteousness' the have surely fucked this planet up.

    If you feel insulted, take it as a reason to ponder for a few moments how well you live your religious beliefs. If you think I left your religion out SMACK!! You too can go ponder your religious beliefs. If when you are finished you still find that you are right to be intolerant of other people's belief systems I have a friend with a gun store and plenty of single use bullets. Use these to massage your temples and all will begin to get better in the world.

    Personally I'd like to see more people making fun of ALL religions. ALL of them. If your god is almighty and doesn't want anyone to make fun of them, or tell jokes about them, or in some way portray them in ways that you don't like... well, then I suggest your god come right on down here to little old Earth and tell me about it in PERSON. I will not accept the likeness of his mother on a piece of burnt toast or a water stained wall as a sign. I will not accept that a human prophet speaks for an ALL POWERFUL god. If your god does not want me to draw cartoons or make films, he can come down and explain it in PERSON.

    Perhaps that is the problem? god doesn't come down and explain things in person so when there is a challenge to god's authority religious zealots have to act before someone points out that there god is not much good at protecting his image, never mind the feeble lives of his followers?

    If that makes you wonder about god... good. I do not want to believe in anything or entity whose supporters are so violent, militant, dogmatic, ignorant, disrespectful, hateful and ... well downright antisocial. As such I have less than zero respect for the god of a group of people that want to kill anyone that disagrees with them.

    Yes, I know that only a small group of people hijack religion to server their militant causes. My point is that others of whatever faith should be rising up to stop such people from ruining their otherwise good intentions.

    Final point is that when good people let bad people ruin their faith and do nothing to stop it, it denigrates all of them. Where are those Muslims that renounce violence? Where are the Muslims that renounce suicide bombings? Why did the Iranian vigils after 9/11 get no real news airplay?

    Thanks to all the high profile religious people in the world, Atheism is the fastest growing set of beliefs in the Western World, if I can say it that way.
  • Some asshole(s) took their dissatisfaction with the link in my sig to the University's administration... It being a university, rather than a commercial enterprise, I was merely forced to add an obvious disclaimer, that the views on the page are my own, rather than the school's...

    Curiously, my request to see the complaint itself was denied on the ground, that there would be no way to preserve the anonymity of the complaining party(ies)... Any lawyers out there willing to file a FoIA-request on my behalf (the school is a government institution)?

    These attempts to use the legal system [nysun.com] and/or bureaucracy to shut the unpleasant views down are a welcome change from killing fellow country-men to make a point — as is happening in Iraq [bbc.co.uk]. But if anybody is hoping to score sympathy-points doing it, they are doing it all wrong...

  • by lijkert (1259028) on Sunday March 23, 2008 @06:22PM (#22839334)
    As some of you might remember, in 2004 a well-known writer director and supplier of social criticism, Theo van Gogh, was murdered by a radical islamist, because he spoke out against aspects of islam that he felt were barbaric. Although you could call me a leftist, I vehemently support Wilders, because he's defending our right to speak out against religion where other politicians pussy out. Simply put, I'd like to be able to go on TV or write a column that talks about women's rights in the middle east without getting shot on my way to work the next day.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by lixee (863589)
      I am a Muslim and I sympathize with your situation, but the fact of the matter is that people are gonna do whatever they're gonna do in this life, and no amount of vehemently Islamophobic documentaries is going to change that. You might be tempted to believe that Wilders work is reclaiming your right to "go on TV or write a column that talks about women's rights in the middle east", but it's not. All it is doing is waste your tax-money and exacerbate the divide. P.S: I fully support Mr. Wilders right to pu
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by gardyloo (512791)

        [...] the fact of the matter is that people are gonna do whatever they're gonna do in this life, and no amount of vehemently Islamophobic documentaries is going to change that.
        Documentaries may not, but will anything? The bolded part of the statement seems to -- if not forgive -- explain away just about any action.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      It's more than a little amusing to see Leftists calling for censorship and the Right defending freedom of speech. Ah, what a interesting world.
  • by DrBuzzo (913503) on Sunday March 23, 2008 @07:16PM (#22839812) Homepage
    Until you stop calling Islam violent and admit that it is a religion of peace...

    Sheesh. Considering that it's perfectly okay to give Christians and every other religion hell over the fact that they killed innocent people during the Salem witch trial, why is it off limits to give Islam lip about killing innocent people yesterday or today or last week?



    Oh excuse me, there's a package at my door. I better go get the bomb robot to open it.



    Islam: World's most filthy and unethical religion since 1000 AD. (and that's saying a lot considering how filthy and unethical religions tend to be)
  • by mapkinase (958129) on Sunday March 23, 2008 @08:11PM (#22840326) Homepage Journal
    Network solutions are considering taking down this site, because they take Muslims seriously.

    Why do they take Muslims seriously?

    Because Muslims are standing up seriously for what they believe. They fight, they sacrifice their lives for their beliefs.

    That's the only thing that matters. Your values cost only as much as you are willing to pay to defend them.

    Look at our history since Bush took power. He steadfastly stomped out the very rights you are so eager to cry for in every post on YRO.

    What did you do? What did you do to deserve your rights? You ancestors who fought against British with arms in hands did deserve their economical freedom.

    What did _you_ do to deserve your rights?
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      I wrote and complained, but considering I don't bomb people when I don't get my way, I got no reply.

      Are you suggesting we start bombing our senators instead?
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by mapkinase (958129)
        Again, it depends on how much do you treasure your values in terms of your personal sacrifices you are going to make.

        It is your values, who am I to suggest what you should do?

        Let me tell you what is my value and what I am going to do if they are broken. My values is a possibility to freely practice my religion and be able to freely tell other people the truth about my religion.

        If I won't be able to do any of this, my obligation is to leave my good job, my good house and emigrate to a Muslim country.

        I do not
        • by Shadow-isoHunt (1014539) on Sunday March 23, 2008 @10:56PM (#22841566) Homepage
          You've gotta take the good with the bad, and the bad with the good. You can choose to not drink, or smoke, and that's cool. That's totally within your rights. But not everyone that drinks is an alcoholic, and willingly pickles their liver. Those that do, it's their choice.

          Enslave empoverished women and sell them for sex in Nevada? We've got laws against slavery, and legal prostitution has licensing requirements. According to a quick wikipedia check, pimping in the usual form is illegal too. The only way I can see legal(and even this is a stretch, and I've got a feeling a judge would rule with the woman) sexual pseudo-slavery in Nevada is through contract, and we've got laws against contract under duress.

          To understand why these rights exist, you must understand the principles that this government was founded upon (even though they really don't apply now-a-days unless it suits someone with money), being minimally intrusive in private matters. The government is not supposed to have any rights that it's not explicitly granted through law, nothing illegal not explicitly declared illegal. It's about the rights of many, regardless of the feelings of a few. You may not appreciate your freedom of speech, but I do, because it allows you to voice your displeasure.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Why do they take Muslims seriously? Because Muslims are standing up seriously for what they believe. They fight, they sacrifice their lives for their beliefs. That's the only thing that matters. Your values cost only as much as you are willing to pay to defend them.

      That's a lie. Muslims are taken seriously because everyone who peacefully criticizes them or draws insulting cartoons gets death threats, many of them called "fatwas" and issued by actual Muslim clerics. Meanwhile, Muslims start riots, destroy embassies, and murder people over it. And the West has become a civilization of cowards who are afraid to offend anyone, so all too meekly we submit to the intimidation. That's called terrorism, and the reason Muslims are taken seriously is because so many of them a

  • by Kenrod (188428) on Sunday March 23, 2008 @08:15PM (#22840374)


    Network Solutions has no problem with Hizbollah

    http://english.hizbollah.org/index.php [hizbollah.org]

    WHOIS:

    https://my.mirahost.com/order/viewwhois.php?domain=hizbollah&ext=org [mirahost.com]
  • by kitgerrits (1034262) on Sunday March 23, 2008 @08:42PM (#22840580)

    Geert Wilders is someone that got this far in politics by feeding on fear and hate.
    The man is dangerous and should be ignored, not shut down.

    Is anyone tries to shut him up, it will cause publicity.
    And we know there's no such thing as bad publicity in politics.

    I agree NetSol has very little business in taking down his site, but
        I just wish the people would see the man for the windbag he really is.

    (a few years ago, we had someone running for government with an agenda slightly like Wilders.
        The man got shot (by an 'animal lover', the irony) and they continued the party in his name.
        Strangely enough, that empty shell of a party even got into power.
        Unfortunately, very few people in that party actually had any knowledge of politics.
        Yes, chaos ensued...)

    Now, quite some time later, the exact same thing is happening -again-...
  • by unlametheweak (1102159) on Sunday March 23, 2008 @09:01PM (#22840736)
    Censorship is immoral. I have not viewed the film, nor do I plan to view the film; but I will make an effort to find and download this film. Censorship is IMMORAL!!!!!

    I will do (nearly) anything to promote ANYTHING (in regards to visual, oral, or verbal representations) in regards to media that ANYBODY finds to be questionable, immoral, illegal, unethical, etc.)

    Fight the good fight Slashdotters! Make an effort to download only things that are illegal!
  • by houghi (78078) on Sunday March 23, 2008 @09:38PM (#22841018)
    http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3619543/_Wilders_slaat_aanbod_af__.html?p=14,1 [telegraaf.nl] in Dutch
    http://canadianinfidel.blogspot.com/2008/03/wilders-declines-offer-from-muslim.html [blogspot.com] in English

    So apperently the Muslims in the Netherlands are willing to show it if they can see it upfront to make sure it contains no legally libel content.

    Nice to see that the Muslims are more willing and open then a US based company when it concerns free speech.

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