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First RIAA Case Victim Finally Speaks Out 204

An anonymous reader writes with a link to an article at P2P Net about the very first victim of the RIAA's file-sharing litigation sweep. The site gave Jammie Thomas the chance to explain in her own words what the last two years have been like. She recounts her experiances with subpoenas, Best Buy, and most of all, stress. Even after all this time, her case is still in legal limbo: "As for what's next, my attorney filed a motion to have the verdict thrown out or to have the judgment reduced based on the constitutionality of the judgment. This is not an appeal, this is a post trial motion. We are currently waiting for the plaintiffs to file their response to our motion. The judge will not make a decision on that motion until after the plaintiffs have filed. The timeline for appeals is we have 30 days after the judge decides all post trial motions before we file any appeals ... I do know personally I cannot allow my case to end this way, with this judgment. My case will be used as a sledgehammer by the RIAA to force other people caught in the RIAA's driftnets to settle, even if they are or are not guilty of illegally sharing music online."
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First RIAA Case Victim Finally Speaks Out

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  • Re:I'm glad... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Seumas ( 6865 ) on Saturday November 03, 2007 @05:36PM (#21226459)
    No. This person was solely thinking of themselves and then decided to align themselves with an existing movement to gain support and assistance based solely on that association for further personal gain. This is a person damaging an existing sentiment and position by trying to make themselves "our" poster-child for being victimized. And because they are such a poor example of other real, legitimate victims in this arena, they have done nothing but deteriorate our position in the long run.
  • by wizardforce ( 1005805 ) on Saturday November 03, 2007 @05:46PM (#21226527) Journal
    Why do people keep supporting these F---s? Stop feeding their legal tirades; stop buying their music, stop copying their music. The last thing you want to do is make their music more popular. Support indie bands instead, put your money where your mouth is and hopefully that will help create a new music-based economy that isn't so draconian.
  • by Spy der Mann ( 805235 ) <spydermann.slash ... m ['mai' in gap]> on Saturday November 03, 2007 @06:01PM (#21226633) Homepage Journal
    yet somehow SHE is innocent and the people representing the artists are the thieves? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON?

    Well, if you think paying $20 for a DRM'ed CD full of crappy, with low-audio quality music at the same price that a vinyl disc in the old times is NOT a ripoff, then I ask what the fuck are YOU on.

    And here's a proof that the RIAA are *NOT* representing the artists:

    "Has anyone seen the price come down? Okay, well, you know what that means - STEAL IT. Steal away. Steal and steal and steal some more and give it to all your friends and keep on stealin'. Because one way or another these motherfuckers will get it through their head that they're ripping people off and that that's not right."
    Trent Reznor. Frontman of Nine Inch Nails.

  • by numbski ( 515011 ) <[numbski] [at] [hksilver.net]> on Saturday November 03, 2007 @06:01PM (#21226639) Homepage Journal
    Uh...you modded this flamebait? The parent is about as correct as correct gets. You feel it is appropriate to cast a person into financial ruin over what amounts to ~3*24MB of data? We'll call it 100MB for grins.

    Financial ruin for the rest of your days over 100MB. Fair? Not even close. $222,000. $2220/MB. Those had best have been some seriously good songs to be worth $6-7000 per song.

    The RIAA has been playing an extortion game all along. The settlement was probably not fair either, and anyone in their right minds knows that. No, what needs to happen is a large-scale act of civil disobedience (and in reality, that's already happening) and whether or not this one person gets things set straight or not could very well set the course for how this all plays out here in the US. I don't necessarily buy into the poster-child image, but anyone that the RIAA has come after for downloading can wear the title of "victim" and be correct in doing so IMHO. If you're not pressing CD's or running a large-scale piracy ring, they have no business coming after you. I don't care WHAT the law says. I wish I had the magic wand that fixed the fact that they aren, but I don't. :(
  • Re:Victim? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by compro01 ( 777531 ) on Saturday November 03, 2007 @06:03PM (#21226657)
    aside from the fact that directly contradicts a previous federal court ruling [corante.com] that making available is not infringing.
  • Re:I'm glad... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Solder Fumes ( 797270 ) on Saturday November 03, 2007 @06:10PM (#21226699)
    Now I'm thoroughly confused. You don't want citizens being brought up on the charges she was brought up on, for doing what she did? Sounds like she SHOULD be your poster child.

    The only reason you don't like her is because she lost. And you are somehow blaming her for that.
  • by no_opinion ( 148098 ) on Saturday November 03, 2007 @07:10PM (#21227109)
    If you want to be taken seriously, you need to have some grip on reality.
    1) CDs are not $20
    2) CDs are not DRMed, and haven't been for a while now. Even when there was DRM, it was only on a handful of CDs.
    3) The quality of music on CDs is not low quality.
    4) Trent is the exception, not the rule. Successful artists like Trent can afford to go it alone and don't speak for the vast majority of artists on record labels who are struggling to make it. For evidence, you only need to look at which and how many artists are speaking out. There simply isn't an outcry, and one artist doesn't make a movement.
    5) Anyone who suggests $10-$13 is a rip-off for a CD needs to think about the fact that that is the same as 3 cups of coffee at starbucks and often less than the price of a new book. Think about the amount of use you get out of an album.
    6) Read what the jurors wrote. She's clearly guilty, and even her legal strategy acknowledges that. What she's trying to do now is get her sentence reduced.

    People who make creative works for a living deserve to get paid, if that's what they want (Radiohead and others can give their stuff away for free if they want). The rights of the many (pirates) don't outweigh the rights of the few (creators). No one is fooled by the indignation of those who wave the banner of "fair use". Everyone knows the vast majority of these people are just pirates, trying to protect their own hides.
  • Re:I'm glad... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by LrdDimwit ( 1133419 ) on Saturday November 03, 2007 @10:43PM (#21228279)
    There's two groups of people here. One -- people who actually did download music illegally (yes, illegally, it's copyright infringement), and two -- people who are mistakenly accused. When the RIAA makes a mistake (which happens all too often), they don't admit it even when called on it -- they simply continue to demand that the person pay.

    The OP's point: This particular individual appears to be a member of group one, but is trying to get in front of groups one and two (the quote about 'this judgement will encourage people, innocent or otherwise, to settle').

    Personally, I think the penalties are *outrageous*. More, they probably constitute cruel and unusual punishment. Several hundred thousand dollars for $150 worth of merchandise? $25K is the cost of a car, and the upper limit of the statutory damages could easily pay off several homes. The law is clearly aimed at people running a business, but the it's being applied to clearly aren't. This is true regardless which group she actually is in. She should be on the hook for a tenth of that or less.

    As for blaming her for losing -- she had a weak case (the metadata matched known pirate distros, the songs matched her musical taste, the userID is the same as one she's used for years), she got weak legal representation (there are several legal avenues being pursued in other cases that weren't even brought up in this one, and if you don't bring it up you waive it), and she decided to fight. Her attorney should have advised her to take their settlement offer. (Perhaps the first one did, so she found another. We don't know.) Instead, she went to trial. She would have been much better off taking their settlement offer, if she's guilty then she should have known they had a mountain of evidence. Does that mean I think the RIAA should have done what they did? No. But she had multiple opportunities to avoid this, and chose not to use them. So it is fair to say she takes some of the blame. After all, it is quite likely she actually did misappropriate their copyrighted material.
  • Re:I'm glad... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 04, 2007 @07:35PM (#21235939)
    Last time I checked, just because it is law, does not make it constitutional. How many other laws have been challenged and changed due to unconstitutionality? Brown vs. Board of Education comes to mind. Roe vs. Wade comes to mind. Come on people, I know you can list more. The easiest way for a person to have a law changed is to be sued or to sue and have the law declared unconstitutional. If the stautory damages are declared unconstitutional as her attorney is asking the courts to consider right now, what does that do for all of the RIAA lawsuits? Do you honestly think if someone receives a letter in the mail from the RIAA demanding settlement money in the thousands, that the recipients of those letters will pay that after hearing the amount is based off an unconstitutional law? Her losing this case is a blessing in disguise. You just have to be able to see the bigger picture, which some here, I don't think they even know how to see past their own noses.

    Another point to consider is this, Jammie Thomas lost on the merits of her case. What's done is done, but thanks to our wonderful court system, she now has the opportunity to argue the law BEHIND the merits of her case. Think about it, she has the chance to challange all of the issues that are plaguing all of these cases and maybe get answers from the courts on some of those issues. Including: is making available copyright infringement? is the judegment constitutional? is making a backup copy theft or does it fall within the rights of fair use (based on Sony BMGs testimony that making one copy is politely saying stealing one copy)? is the "investigation" legal?
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    I read in an article somewhere (sorry, I dont' have time to find it) comparing her losing this case to a boxing term called "Rope-a-Dope". I wonder now if she did know in advance she might not win and her attorney was already planning on how to best appeal any negative verdict while stopping the RIAA at the same time? You may not like her and you may not like her case, but her case has the potential to bring the RIAAs extortion tactics to an abrupt end. And that is something I can easily support.

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