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United States Privacy The Almighty Buck

States Link Databases to Find Tax Cheats 726

The IRS and state revenue agencies are increasingly linking every database they can get to their tax records to find clues about your finances.
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States Link Databases to Find Tax Cheats

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  • by Snad ( 719864 ) <mspace&bigfoot,com> on Sunday April 04, 2004 @09:15PM (#8764980)

    Considering the items are illegal, I wonder how the government plans to actually tax them.

    They won't. But they will tax the spending of the proceeds of an illegal activity.

    If I sell half a kilo of cocaine on the street, the government gets nothing. When I go to spend my ill gotten gains on a 72" Plasma TV set and an enormous diamond for my girl, then they get all the tax on those.

    Besides, aren't illegal activities already theoretically taxable anyway? Wasn't that Al Capone's problem?

  • by the eric conspiracy ( 20178 ) on Sunday April 04, 2004 @09:18PM (#8764996)
    would be to have every employer send (electronically) your W-2 to the IRS.

    I believe that already happens - it's how the Social Security Admin gets your salary history for benefit calculations.

    Most tax cheating comes from lying about cash income - businesses like bars etc. that do most of their business in cash, or claims for deductions that aren't real.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 04, 2004 @09:27PM (#8765053)
    Open the tax code and lookup the AMT (Alternate Minimum Tax). It is a LOT higher than 1%, and it is on gross income, not net.

    What? This was a troll? Of course, how stupid of me.
  • by pongo000 ( 97357 ) on Sunday April 04, 2004 @09:29PM (#8765077)
    That's the euphemistic name for the Texas agency that's reponsible for tracking down those who try to get around Texas' use tax laws. Problem is, they can be very overly aggressive, even when you're in the right.

    Case in point: I bought a plane one time, a 1979 Cessna 172, around $40,000. There's exceptions to the use tax law that says if the plane is used for flight instruction, it's exempt from use tax. Well, a few years after my purchase, I received a bill from the state of Texas, somewhere in the vicinity of $5000 (including penalties), along with a threat to put a lien on the aircraft if I didn't pay up. It took several months, copies of my logbooks, certifications from instructors, etc. to finally get the state off my back. (I say that, but I've never been sure if that's the case -- the state simply stopped pursuing me without actually telling me I was in the right.)

    The point here is that "data aggregation" will inevitably lead to erroneous assumptions, especially when disparate records are linked together. Unfortunately, the burden of proof will lie with the target to prove they *don't* owe a tax. I can see it now: Driving a lonely stretch of interstate late at night in the middle of nowhere, stopped by a hick sheriff who tells you you'll be spending the night in jail because DMV records indicate you didn't pay sales taxes on all that on-line stuff you've bought over the years.

    This is dangerous stuff, and one of the very few areas I believe Congress needs to intervene in to prevent abuse of data that was never meant to be aggregated, linked, and abused.
  • by fedork ( 186985 ) <fedor @ a p a che.org> on Sunday April 04, 2004 @09:37PM (#8765122)
    too late! it already exists and is called Alternative Minimum Tax
  • Re:Privacy Issues (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 04, 2004 @09:38PM (#8765124)
    right on. This may seem like a good idea and may not seem onerous, but it's only the first step.

    A few years ago, my state was setting up an E911 system which databased lots of extra information. People concerned about privacy objected, but they said it would result in better service in the case of an emergency, and promised the information gathered would only be used for E911, never used for anything else. Half a year later, there was a non-911 incident, the result being that all that information is now also available to the police.

  • by LostCluster ( 625375 ) * on Sunday April 04, 2004 @09:59PM (#8765237)
    too late! it already exists and is called Alternative Minimum Tax

    The problem is, the typical tax rates have always been upscaled to compensate for inflation, however the AMT's formula never has. Therefore, the AMT system that was designed to catch the "rich" is starting to bite into the "middle class".

    There were also a lot of cases during the dot-com bubble where people got stock that was worth a lot of money as of the moment it was handed to them, however by the end of the year the company had gone to zero and disappeared. The AMT treats it as income at the moment they got it, even though most of these people didn't even have the chance to sell the stock until it had already taken a dive. The net result is that "paper multimilionaires" who never got to touch their money get hit with a seven-figure AMT bill... And taxes are one thing bankruptcy cannot make go away. These people are doomed to never be able to own anything in their own name again.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 04, 2004 @10:44PM (#8765509)
    If you live in a state with sales tax (and use tax) and want to import say an expensive painting, it would be worth your while to hire a broker in a sales tax free state like FL, TX or NH to do the import for you and have their name on the records, and then ship the item to you. I'd like to see how the records searches can catch this, unless states gain the power to access business records of companies/individuals operating in other states.

    There will always be a way around taxes, either fortunately or unfortunately, depending on which way you look at it. In some ways, I think high tech makes it easier to hide income. Certainly for those with million dollar plus incomes it should be easier. Having a bunch of corporations that buy and sell ownership of stuff that is never shipped, shares in each other, and so on can easily be manipulated to allow a US company to always lose money, while a foreign company that has no (known to the US government) connection to a US citizen has all the profits. You can't import that money, but having a 7 or 8 figure bank account I could only use overseas is a problem I'd love to have!
  • by michael_cain ( 66650 ) on Sunday April 04, 2004 @10:47PM (#8765520) Journal
    "It is disproportionately hard on poor people."

    How? Are different people charged different sales tax rates?

    To state the obvious -- no, it's harder on the poor because they're NOT charged different sales tax rates. A 15% tax on someone trying to live on $15K/year will cut into the basics -- food, minimal shelter, health care. A 15% tax on someone living on $150K/year will cut into the luxeries -- they can pay the tax and still afford enormously better food, housing and medical care than the person with $15K. And someone taking home $15M/year won't even notice the 15% tax -- the lifestyle differences between $15M/year and $12.75M/year are insignificant.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 04, 2004 @11:03PM (#8765592)
    This is explicitly illegal for the government of Canada to do.

    It's a great time to not be an American.

    eg:
    DMCA
    Patriot Act
    Patriot Act 2
    Echelon
    RIAA
    MPAA
  • by Pstrobus ( 149491 ) on Monday April 05, 2004 @01:20AM (#8766388) Homepage
    "To counteract the regressive nature of the sales tax, everybody would receive a fixed dollar amount refund. "

    Three problems with this idea:

    1. People will be required to actually pay the sales tax before they get the refund. Thus the poverty and sub-poverty level people will go to zero or negative numbers BEFORE the refund shows up.

    2. Variance in cost of living. A flat refund will cover a different percentage of actual living expenses based on regional variance. The cost to survive in Yuma, Arizona is very different from Los Angeles, California. So you compound the harsh effect of the "refund afterwards" plan by putting pressure on people to move to other areas.

    3. The elimination of business/corporate tax simply shifts the burden. If we assume that only the end purchaser will pay the tax, how do we assure that the actual "end purchaser" is paying the tax? Corporations build inventory and individuals sometimes make custom projects (computers anyone?) for others. Who pays the tax if only the end of the line is supposed to pay it?

    Lastly, where did you get the 20% idea? That's higher than Social Security (15%) and three steps up the progressive tax scale (10% & 15%). Is it equitable to increase the tax on all those with an Adjusted Gross Income of under 65,000? (for single tax payer, no dependants, the highest tax rate) Realize that this means increasing tax on at least 60% of US incomes while lowering it on the remaining 40% (as per US Census ( ferret.bls.census.gov/macro/032003/hhinc/new06_000 .htm ).
  • by Halvard ( 102061 ) on Monday April 05, 2004 @08:59AM (#8768097)

    ....this is still the IRS of Richard Nixon (audits to punish people on different sides of political issues); FBI of J. Edgar Hoover (illegal wiretaps, illegal search and seizures, illegal survellience, and blackmail or important figures); FBI of Ruby Ridge, et al; and FISA courts of G. W. Bush (use of "national security" courts in violation of the laws surrounding their creation against US citizens in order to avoid producing evidence or allowing the defendent to confront the acuccuser). Oh, yes, and the Justice Department of the Bush Administration that likes suspending portions of the Bill of Rights because due process interferes with with the outcome (Patriot Act, etc.).

    And in case you couldn't tell, this was intended to be flamebait just like Rush Limbaugh, Jay Severin, Sean Hannity, and that ex-one term Republican congressman from Florida "Sleepy" on MSNBC who looks like he needs some strong coffee and is asleep. Now, if I could only get some liberal flamebaiter like Al Franken on the radio, the noice would be a little more even.

  • by KenSeymour ( 81018 ) on Monday April 05, 2004 @12:07PM (#8770028)
    Actually, no private insurance has overhead as low as Medicare.

    HMOs, in particular, have about 20% of their revenue going to non-medical expenses.
    A lot of that money goes to pay people to hassle you or your doctor everytime you want a prescription filled or to go see a specialist.

    Medicare has 2 to 3% of costs going to non-medical expenses.

    http://www.medicarewatch.org/2001Basic/Whats_Rig ht -5.html

    Privatizing Medicare will make it run out of money faster.

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