Rosen Floats ISP Fee Idea -- Charge Everybody! 701
iconian writes "Hillary Rosen of RIAA wants to impose a type of fee to ISPs which in turn will be passed to all their customers indiscriminately to recoup supposed damages done by file-sharing. The RIAA considers downloading music illegally over the Internet to be the moral equivalence of stealing. I wonder then what is the moral equivalence of the RIAA taking realized cash from people who do not download music?"
If they collect the money (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Nothing new (Score:5, Informative)
These had an extra $1.00 per disc or so added to the retail price compared to similar CD-R's sold at the time. Since they only held music not data the RIAA assumed (that word again!) that they would ONLY be used to record pirated musical content, so the surcharge whent through unchallenged.
Let's get this ball rolling... (Score:2, Informative)
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Percentage of legit file sharing? .00005? (Score:3, Informative)
When I go in to a company and check a network out, top to bottom, server to workstation. I 99.9 percent of the time gigs of mp3's, pirated applications, and everyone has Kazaa. And for the next week everyone hates me cause I disable downloads, remove kazaa, block ports, and lock down the network. Not to mention find that some savvy employee is running an ftp server, or using company bandwidth to sell his wifes beanie babies.
I also am an on call tech for Dell. Usually this is installing new systems, doing data transfers. In short making the new system mirror the old one in software and data.
I have yet to hear someone say" Yeah all those mp3 are from CD's I own" "Here is my original copy of office xp" I get handed burned CD's and hear things like "dude you can get all the music and software you want off the internet." And this is not teenies nor young adults. But people into their 50's. I will not install anyting from a burned copy and a scribbled down serial number. They get burned, they are gonna point the finger at me.
I love my work. But if I had a dollar for everyime some client calls me to fix something, install something and then teach them how to download(steal) music and software. I would be a rich man.
I download music. I can remember the last time I bought a CD.2 years ago. I can always claim that all the Cure, Bill Idol, 80's hits, on my hard drives that I did once on the LP(probably in moms attic) so I am entitled. I gess if I wear out my copy of Nueromance, I can just go take a new one, free.
Recently I did a an 8 station wireless network in a wealthy mans house. Plus two laptops. The house is a Kazaa nightmare. Guy can afford CD's but he doesnt buy them.
I think the government shouldn't regulate or charge for info, but I think we on the internet have proven that we pirate and steal like crazy. I am a 33 year old admin, old fart in the business. I have many colleagues, and we pass warez around like crazy, and giggle about it. But we admit it. We do not try and take the moral high ground.
I am tired of hearing about all this bitching about our rights are being impugned. Why dont we all petition our ISPS to block all file sharing services? Doesn't take much CPU to rip a CD. We were doing it on P
Jeez, maybe I am getting old. But Kazaa is a pirates playground, edonkey, gnutella, and others.
Puto
Re:Nothing new (Score:5, Informative)
They got a double-whammy on that one; people who run small recording studios have to pay these royalties, so their competition winds up paying them a levee for competing with them.
If a woman blabs and nobody's there to hear it... (Score:5, Informative)
This isn't a bill that's on the president's desk.
This isn't a bill that has passed the House.
This isn't a bill that has passed the Senate.
This isn't waiting in committee.
This hasn't even been proposed in either branch.
Hillary cannot propose it in either branch, she hasn't been elected.
Hillary isn't even running for office.
This is so far away from being a law, it isn't even funny. Nobody with the power to make this a law has come forward supporting it. If Fritz Hollings picks it up, then we can be a bit concerned, yet he still needs to convnice a lot of other people this is a good idea before it goes anywhere.
Let's not get too worked up on this one. Keep it on the radar, sure... but there are a lot of other bad ideas that have gotten further in the assembly line than this one, and those are the ones that need our attention.
Re:best for last (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Hillary Rosen's Address and Phone Number: (Score:1, Informative)
http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/psPhoneSearch.
Re:I can't believe the ideas the RIAA thinks they. (Score:4, Informative)
Time to put your money where your mouth is? [fairtunes.com]
Re:Hillary Rosen's Address and Phone Number: (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Suing (Score:3, Informative)
This is the RIAA we're talking about, so...
Artist payout = $1
RIAA keeps for itself = [Total revenue from blank media tax] - $1
But seriously...hasn't Courtney Love shown righteous indignation at not receiving her 'fair share' from any of these taxes yet? As an insider, she is calling the RIAA's bluff -- she knows damn well that the RIAA isn't there for the artists, it's there for itself.
Re:Music tax? (Score:2, Informative)
The tax you have paid gives you the right to pirate, or doesnt it?
Well here in Texas it probably would. There is precedent with the taxation of marijuana. The state in it's wisdom placed a tax equal to the value of the amount of marijuana sold. This was back when weed was $25 per quarter ounce. Tax was $25 per quarter ounce. The only place you could get tax stamps was by going down to Austin IIRC and paying to get the stamps.
A while after this happened the police busted a guy selling weed. Every bag of weed this guy had for sale had a tax stamp affixed to it. In court this guy made the case that since he had payed the state taxes on the weed it was legal for sale. The court decided in his favor.
I'm not bullshitting you here. If you want to take the time to Google it you can probably find information pertaining to this case.
CD sales are down for one reason only!!!!!!!! (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Hillary Rosen's Address and Phone Number: (Score:2, Informative)
http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/psPhoneEntry.p
Hillary Rosen
102 N Sweetzer Ave
Los Angeles, CA 90048-3599
Tel.: (323) 658-8921
Re:Nothing new (Score:1, Informative)
Re:I can't believe the ideas the RIAA thinks they. (Score:4, Informative)
s/music/my webpage/g
s/music/a book/g
Copying music is not wrong: it is your intent of what you do with that copy that is the issue. In the US, it has been deemed a person can make an archival copy of items (music, software).. but if you then distribute that copy you have suddenly crossed the line into illegality.
(and for what its worth, I think the RIAA proposal is bullshit.. but if some people keep trying to justify p2p transferring of copyrighted works then you only give them more ammo.)
Even Rome (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Nothing new (Score:3, Informative)
Actually, you understate your position. From The Copyright Act, Part VII [justice.gc.ca] (Copyright Board and Collective Administration of Copyright):
Basically, what this means is that it is legal to copy music for your own personal use. Too many Canadians say 'well, if I'm paying for copying, shouldn't I be able to copy?' The government says yes.
--Dan