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CD Copy Protection Head Speaks 464

Vonatar sent us an interview with the guy who is running the company that designed the copy protection being used in CDs that nobody really buys, and preventing people from playing CDs in their computers and DVD players. The article also mentions the first lawsuit about the record label not providing notice on the package. Anyway check it out if you're interested. There are some interesting bits.
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CD Copy Protection Head Speaks

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  • Based on their first CD that they tested, I think they allow you to download protected digital copies off their server, provided you have the CD. The article also mentions that you can make six copies of the music.

    While I don't necessarily like this technique, I have to admit that it at least tries to recognize fair use rights.

    Also, one of things the lawsuit was over was requiring registration to download the music.

  • by mmacdona86 ( 524915 ) on Friday September 28, 2001 @11:30AM (#2363806)
    It's not uncopyable because the song title and artist don't show up. It's uncopyable because the track directory information is unavailable (or odd-looking) to the computer so the computer does not think it is an audio CD. The question is if this can be got around in the player software or only by changing the CD-ROM firmware.
  • by mr3038 ( 121693 ) on Friday September 28, 2001 @11:43AM (#2363925)
    Well, you certainly don't need copy protection mechanism to hide directory information from CD-DA. For example when I put a normal CD-DA in my Pioneer DVD-105 DVD-player Windows doesn't understand it as CD-DA. I cannot use this drive to playback music with any basic app. However, I simply start up CDex and I can get track names from CDDB and rip all titles without a problem.

    As long as these disks are readable they can be copied. Think about all the "interesting" stuff they use in CD-ROMs to prevent copying. Practically all current CD-ROM drives can read CDs in RAW mode - some can even read full subchannel information. When there's messed up stuff your CD-writer cannot write all the stuff similarly and CD-ROM copy protection is effective. On the other hand you could just burn audio tracks read in raw mode the way you want. As an added bonus, the disk quality is increased and minor scratches or something like that doesn't prevent you from listening your copy.

  • by Frank T. Lofaro Jr. ( 142215 ) on Friday September 28, 2001 @11:48AM (#2363967) Homepage
    The copy protection does make things harder, but one of its crucial features is the fact it makes fair use activities ILLEGAL.

    From the article: "Peter Jacobs faces a daunting challenge: convincing millions of music fans that he's not a policeman."

    And when asked about if someone bypasses the "protection" scheme:

    "The Digital Millennium Copyright Act prohibits users from circumventing copy protection. It's now a crime in America to do that."

    And he says he's not a cop, but his technology now means the cops and courts can come after you for doing what used to be legal. They take away our rights using technology, we try to take them back, again using technology, and we are punished by the gov't! If they are allowed to use technology to stop us, we should be allowed to use technology to protect our rights.

    Remember, connecting an digital out to a digital in will circumvent the protection, but it won't circumvent the statuatory damages ($250 - $2000, no proof of you profiting or them being harmed is required - they ask for it and the court grants it), it won't circumvent "actual damages" (whatever Judge Kaplan and similar thinking judges want to steal from you and give to the RIAA) and it won't circumvent you being locked in a cage for 5 years of your life.

  • by Frank T. Lofaro Jr. ( 142215 ) on Friday September 28, 2001 @11:53AM (#2364019) Homepage

    I'm still waiting for the RIAA and MPAA to go after the software and hardware makers next... I mean, they must know that their products are being used for illegal purposes, so they must be at fault too...

    They already have. It is called the SSSCA [wired.com]

  • I have no stereo (Score:3, Informative)

    by RESPAWN ( 153636 ) <respawn_76.hotmail@com> on Friday September 28, 2001 @12:28PM (#2364300) Journal

    What annoys me the most about these kinds of copy protection schemes is how they limit me, the average consumer who does buy my music. I spend 9 months out of the year away at college. Frankly, I don't want to take apart my entire stereo and cart it back and forth every year. It's a pain in the ass, and I just know that something would sooner or later get broken. My solution? Play all my CD's in my computer. I paid $2000 for this thing, I damn well better be able to do more than type papers on it.


    Furthermore, I like to rip a lot of my lesser used CD's to .mp3 so that I don't also have to bring my entire collection of >200 CD's to school each year. That is just another invitation for something to get lost or broken. Not to mention, I don't have enough room in the car for all that crap.


    Oh yeah. I also like to run. (Yes, I am a geek who likes to get exercise.) But you know what I like to do when I run? Listen to music. Music on my solid state mp3 player that will not skip as I run. Let me rephrase that: I like to listen to my legally purchased music on my mp3 player while I run.


    I'm not going to lie and say that I've never used Napster. I have, and I probably do have a few mp3's for which I do not own the CD. But for the vast majority of my mp3 collection I also have the CD's to accompany them. All the record companies are doing is serving to piss off people like me. People who do buy their music, but who wish to listen to it in a device other than a standard CD player. In fact, if I ever purchase a CD that I cannot play in my computer, I will return it. And then do you know what I will do? I will turn around and download the mp3's off my favorite p2p file sharing utility, because I have every confidence that despite whatever copy protection methods the record companies try to use, the mp3's will always be out there. After all, if I can't listen to my legally purchased music in the device of my choice, why should I pay to listen to that CD at all. If you're going to treat me like a criminal, then I may as well act like one.



    Although, I must say that I am certainly glad that I am not a Michael Jackson or Charley Pride fan, because I loath the day when the record companies force me to actively pirate music just to listen to it on my preferred listening devices.

  • Another problem (Score:4, Informative)

    by ethereal ( 13958 ) on Friday September 28, 2001 @01:25PM (#2364556) Journal

    See this article: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-201-7320279-0.htm l [cnet.com]

    At least in some cases, the tracks are WMA. So even this level of so-called fair use is not available for non-Windows users. I don't know if the guy being interviewed above is part of the WMA-using company or not.

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