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Will Political Polarization Stop US Lawmakers from Regulating Big Tech? (nytimes.com) 82

A media lobbying group wants to see tech platforms reigned in with stronger antitrust laws. But the group's president tells the New York Times the biggest force supporting the status quo is hyperpartisanship.

The Times reports: The lack of regulation of technology companies is not because elected officials don't understand the internet. That used to be the case, and it helps explain why they have been so slow with oversight measures. Now, though, new questions about technology get mapped onto increasingly intractable political divides. Without the distractions of bizarre questions, what's left is the naked reality that the parties are deeply at odds over how to protect consumers and encourage businesses. Dozens of bills to strengthen privacy, encourage competition and quell misinformation have stalled because of a basic disagreement over the hand of government on businesses.

"Congress has again shown it's all bark and no bite when it comes to regulating Big Tech," said Jeffrey Chester, the executive director of the Center for Digital Democracy, a nonprofit consumer advocacy group, adding: "We've made no progress for decades."

The cost of the government's long education on tech is that regulation is increasingly out of reach. In April 2018, 14 years after founding thefacebook.com and more than five years after Facebook surpassed 1 billion users, Mark Zuckerberg appeared for the first time before Congress... [D]espite bipartisan agreement that tech companies have run roughshod and deserve more oversight, none of the bills discussed in those hearings four years ago have been passed. Turns out, holding a hearing that humbles the most powerful business executives in the world is much easier than legislating. Very bright lines of partisan disagreements appear when writing rules that restrict how much data can be collected by platforms, whether consumers can sue sites for defamation, and whether regulators can slow the march of dominance of Amazon, Apple, Google and Facebook.

The Times points out that, just for example, when it came to the possibility of regulating cryptocurrency, "the divides on regulation broke down along party lines" Wednesday after six crypto executives testified before a House committee. Democrats warned that the fast-growing industry needed clearer oversight. "Currently, cryptocurrency markets have no overarching or centralized regulatory framework, leaving investments in the digital assets space vulnerable to fraud, manipulation and abuse," said Representative Maxine Waters, the Democrat of California who chairs the committee. Other Democrats expressed similar caution....

Republicans hewed to their free-market stripes at the crypto hearing. Representative Pete Sessions, Republican of Texas, told the crypto executives that he was in favor of their work and that regulations the industry has embraced may go too far. Representative Ted Budd, Republican of North Carolina, worried that lawmakers could push innovation in financial technology out of the United States.

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Will Political Polarization Stop US Lawmakers from Regulating Big Tech?

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  • Why stop there? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dohzer ( 867770 ) on Monday December 13, 2021 @12:39AM (#62074197)

    Big tech? Isn't it stopping lawmakers from regulating anything?

    • As a member of the Deep State, I am going to prove you a secrete that will change your understanding of the world!

      People are Animals with Animal instincts, People are not always rational, People are often too focused on their daily lives that they can see the obvious.

      In computer science and mathematics, there is a study of mapping/graphing algorithms. One of the simplest algorithms is the "Greedy" algorithm, where it picks the shortest path for each node. This algorithm rarely ever provides the best or o

    • Pretty much. Social Media should be treated like a cancer and "cut out" (regulated to hell and back regarding information sharing) and blind some of the page items except internally. Just make it that much harder for people to directly monitor how their disinformation operations are going, and that much harder to directly target. You'd see a marked change if they suddenly couldn't micro-target or monitor shares. Hide the laugh / likes / et al. from the person writing or viewing the article and you'd see a m
  • No... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Otis B. Dilroy III ( 2110816 ) on Monday December 13, 2021 @12:43AM (#62074203)
    Money will.
    • Exactly. Lobbyists will ensure that any legislative change will involve less regulation on the companies they represent and more regulation for their competitors. Same old story.
      • Exactly. Lobbyists will ensure that any legislative change will involve less regulation on the companies they represent and more regulation for their competitors. Same old story.

        If they are already dominant in their market. It's better to have regulations to discourage competitors from entering your market.

        • Re: No... (Score:4, Interesting)

          by Sique ( 173459 ) on Monday December 13, 2021 @04:46AM (#62074517) Homepage
          This.

          Regulation normally appears in saturated markets, where each of the big players has carved out its niche and does not want anyone to enter it.

          On the other hand, after the dust of competition has settled, often the argument that innovation will improve each malfunction in that market loses its appeal, as there is not much competition left, and the problems appear more clearly. So regulation comes in to ease most of it, as the market only moves with glacial speed.

          • by Anonymous Coward

            This.

            Regulation normally appears in saturated markets, where each of the big players has carved out its niche and does not want anyone to enter it.

            On the other hand, after the dust of competition has settled, often the argument that innovation will improve each malfunction in that market loses its appeal, as there is not much competition left, and the problems appear more clearly. So regulation comes in to ease most of it, as the market only moves with glacial speed.

            There are all sorts of markets that are regulated way before they are saturated. Usually that happens because of some genius coming up with an 'innovative business model of a variety otherwise known as 'fraud', 'abuse', 'pyramid scheme', 'Ponzi scheme', 'insider trading' ... etc, etc, ad nauseam ...

            • by Sique ( 173459 )
              Please take note of the difference between a law (valid for all circumstances, voted in by a legislative body), and a regulation (valid for a very specified field, and often released by the executive based on existing laws).

              Fraud, abuse, ponzi schemes or similar are forbidden by law, independently of their actual application. It might be not easy to prove them in a new and emerging field, but you need no new regulation to make a ponzi scheme illegal. Please don't argue that some business practices appear

    • Re:No... (Score:4, Interesting)

      by arglebargle_xiv ( 2212710 ) on Monday December 13, 2021 @01:19AM (#62074259)

      Not just money, if Fecebook could incite political divisiveness so the two parties spend all their time fighting each other rather than sorting out Fecebook, they can pretty much guarantee they'll never be reigned in by anyone.

      It's a good thing they're not in any position to stoke divisiveness, and have never done so in the past either, because if they did the country would be in serious trouble.

      • Not just money, if Fecebook could incite political divisiveness so the two parties spend all their time fighting each other rather than sorting out Fecebook, they can pretty much guarantee they'll never be reigned in by anyone.

        It's a good thing they're not in any position to stoke divisiveness, and have never done so in the past either, because if they did the country would be in serious trouble.

        Facebook is already doing that.

    • Money will.

      Such a great, but incomplete answer. There's also Pandering, Attention Whoring ALONG with greed that'll have more effect before polarization . . .

      America isn't as divided as everyone makes it out to be - it's just a super vocal minority that gets dividends from sowing discord.

      Now that I think about - yep, that checks, Money is at the head of the line.

    • Money is part of it, but recently almost every freaking topic, has became political.
      When I am in the company of people with mixed political stances, I end up in a mine field where polite conversation becomes a source of political redirect for any stupid reason.
      Weather, Shoes, Beans, Cars, Sports, Health of a family member, Holidays, Fast food chains, Pillows...

      Even entering a warm house on a cold day, and saying something like "It is nice and warm in here" could devolve quickly into explaining how they use

    • Because polarization is the tool used to grab voters and through that more money.

  • For reference (Score:5, Informative)

    by RoccamOccam ( 953524 ) on Monday December 13, 2021 @12:48AM (#62074209)
    For future reference, the expression is "reined in", not "reigned in".
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I think you'll find it's actually rained in.
      We were stuck inside and couldn't go to the park. The whether had us completely rained in.
    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      Where's the AI browser pluggin they promised to flag these kinds of things?

  • This is the best thing ever in terms of keeping people divided which is exactly what allows politicians and political parties to thrive. Big Tech is doing their jobs for them.
  • by wakeboarder ( 2695839 ) on Monday December 13, 2021 @12:51AM (#62074215)

    But the lobbiests that pay the politicians off might allow big tech to get off the hook

  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Monday December 13, 2021 @01:57AM (#62074319)

    In terms of regulating Facebook and the like, there is no "political divide" preventing change. As with any actually important political matter, it's all about money over party.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      If there is regulation I think it is more likely to come from Europe. The EU is far less corruptible. Just look at GDPR.

      • I doubt the EU is any less corrupt, just corrupt in different ways. Re: GDPR, they're legislating against foreign trade competitors. All that data collection is also a national security risk in terms of political & business negotiations.
        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          GDPR applies to EU companies. They hate it.

          • The GDPR applies to EU citizens' data, regardless of where the company is incorporated. The EU companies & agencies I work with haven't expressed any particular like or dislike for it. It's just a couple of tasks to add to the list.
        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward

          The EU genuinely is less corrupt, and as the GP says it's les corruptible, but there's good reason for that.

          For starters many European countries have stronger anti-lobbying laws, but because the EU is a large plurality of cultures and ideas, many of whom are inherently opposed to the mere concept of corruption (especially the Baltic states, some of whom suffered the worst of it under defacto Russian rule), it means it's a largely impossible task for lobbyists to succeed in corrupting the parliament in gener

  • by Anonymous Coward

    If you read the article - heck, if you read the summary - it's perfectly clear that the Dems are willing to do *something* to regulate Big Tech and the Republicans are not willing to do *anything*. Describing that as a problem of hyper-partisanship, as though both sides are being equally lackadaisical in an article that clearly starts from a perspective that some regulation *ought* to happen, is just absurd. It's wilfully ignoring that only the Republicans are being hyperpartisan, in the sense of blocking a

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      It's wilfully ignoring that only the Republicans are being hyperpartisan, in the sense of blocking all legislation.

      Republicans can't just claim Government can't solve anything. They also need to step up and prove it on occasion.

      • It's wilfully ignoring that only the Republicans are being hyperpartisan, in the sense of blocking all legislation.

        Republicans can't just claim Government can't solve anything. They also need to step up and prove it on occasion.

        That's the beauty of their scam, they don't need to prove it. Just like it doesn't matter that CRT isn't taught anywhere outside of university legal faculties, their base laps up anything they say completely uncritically.

        • I think you missed that the OP is taking a dig at the Republican party for being utterly incompetent when they are in power.

    • Right-wingers want to make their own speech platforms to compete with Facebook and Twitter. That's consistent with the usual Republican political screed. Besides, regulation of existing platforms will only prevent their eventual fade into obscurity ala MySpace.

    • by GlennC ( 96879 )

      ...the Dems are willing to do *something* to regulate Big Tech and the Republicans are not willing to do *anything*.

      And if "Team Red" were the ones proposing solutions, "Team Blue" would be duty bound to block their efforts.

      Political force acts in a similar fashion to physical forces; it has to have something to act against.

  • "Will political polarization stop US lawmakers from regulating big tech?"

    Of course not. Political polarization has nothing to do with it. Both parties are owned by the same corporate interests, and neither will do a damned thing to bite the hand that's feeding them.

  • Every story I read on the NY Times is the same, give us some money. Who needs them? They should do a story on why what they write is free speech but facebook isn't. Same shit, different pile if you ask me.
    • The NYT is a shit-show. They run anti-union hit pieces while their workers are attempting to unionize, they faked up that Tesla review where the author drove around the block until it died and then they made him an editor. Fuck them, fuck their claims of journalistic integrity, and double extra fuck their cries of give us money.

  • Instead of fixing the most urgent problems like education, healthcare and living wages we have a population that is at each others throat while corporate America runs away with the money. I don't see this changing soon and ending well.
    • That is because the people, and by proxy the politicians representing them, cannot agree on how to solve the problems, so paralysis ensues. Further complicating the problem is the fact that no politician votes on a single initiative, but instead has to vote on a bloated package of initiatives as one. If you cannot agree on a solution, you are voting for the status quo. So here we are.

  • by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Monday December 13, 2021 @05:17AM (#62074559) Homepage

    wants to see tech platforms reigned in with stronger antitrust laws

    It shouldn't just be big tech. We need a general solution for huge companies. The banking debacle and "too big to fail" showed that. In a nutshell, there need to be at least two thresholds:

    - Above size X, a company is no longer allowed to do acquisitions or be part of a merger.

    - Above size Y, a company must immediately divest or break up into smaller organisations.

    These thresholds must be applied automatically, without decades of wrangling in the courts. If your company is too big, it must break itself up. Failure to do so must result in harsh personal penalties for the members of the board of directors. Companies don't grow into behemoths overnight. Planning for these eventualities would just be part of their regular long-term planning.

    • wants to see tech platforms reigned in with stronger antitrust laws

      It shouldn't just be big tech. We need a general solution for huge companies. The banking debacle and "too big to fail" showed that. In a nutshell, there need to be at least two thresholds:

      - Above size X, a company is no longer allowed to do acquisitions or be part of a merger.

      - Above size Y, a company must immediately divest or break up into smaller organisations.

      These thresholds must be applied automatically, without decades of wrangling in the courts. If your company is too big, it must break itself up. Failure to do so must result in harsh personal penalties for the members of the board of directors. Companies don't grow into behemoths overnight. Planning for these eventualities would just be part of their regular long-term planning.

      How about, above size X a company is considered so large it can no longer be considered a "private" company? Like when a company owns all the town squares? Then it is closer to a "utility".

    • Above size Z, they have a choice: break up, or become a branch of government.* I mean if they're that irreplaceable...

      *the key here is that automatically their stock is rebated at their original purchase price plus interest, and importantly, executive compensation is immediately adjusted to conform with government pay scales.

    • Above size Y

      How do you define size in a reliable way that cannot be easily gamed and how would this work for non-US companies who would not be limited in size and could easily own small-enough US subsidiaries?

    • Above size X

      I spent a few minutes thinking about how to define "size". It's really tricky. The most obvious measures (e.g. market cap and market share) are clearly bad choices. Perhaps some combination of them? I thought about a market share limit that only kicks in once you hit a certain market cap (or similar valuation, for privately-held companies). You don't want a pure market cap limit because that would unfairly and uselessly disadvantage companies in capital-intensive industries. You don't want a pure market

      • Oh, one more thing: Your simple rule (assuming we could find simple answers to the complexities I already pointed out), might actually harm consumers. Scale and integration have significant positive effects; big, integrated companies are generally more efficient than smaller ones -- which is why there's a strong tendency for market leaders to become bigger and more integrated. We want to encourage those efficiencies, while also ensuring that big players have to continue competing and don't just begin exploi

  • The reason democrats can't break a senate (committee) tie is democrats.

  • Party A says that things are fine as they are and we should not change them. Party B says things need to be changed. So a "compromise" is to make changes but bit more slowly than party B wants them. Which means we end up with what party B wants anyway, just takes a bit more time.

    Well, allow me to be the first to say: to hell with "compromises" like that.
  • The rich, not us. Big tech and big news control what the normies think. They (the normies) will never be allowed to be exposed to âoeregulate rich peopleâ(TM)s stuffâ content.
  • All the time that politics are polarised & no legislation gets through to limit corporations' power, the corporations benefit hugely. Political polarisation seems to be good for them. Are politicians doing this all by themselves or are they being systematically influenced in some way?
  • ..and all of this will change.
    The Senate and House Republicans are dominated by power-seeking jackasses who couldn't care less about actual 'conservatism' or the Constitution or what their constituents actually want, let alone what's good for the nation, they only want their own personal agendas, and their own personal power. Get rid of them, ALL OF THEM, and things will improve dramatically.
  • This isn't exactly political polarization, it's cronyism justified by whataboutism, fueled by political polarization. Journalism has died and in its place, polarized, self-rightous propaganda has grown like mold on its corpse.
  • I would argue that congress is still technologically illiterate, and would agree that hyperpartisanship plays a role...

    Not as big a role as the bribes pay, though. Congress won't regulate tech because tech lobbies and pays "campaign contributions" (otherwise known as bribes) not to be regulated, or to steer regulations towards crushing upstart competition rather than reigning in their activity.

    Corruption is the #1 problem in this country, but no one talks about it because it is ostensibly legal. It's ridi

  • This is only the third in a row. Can we have more?
  • The lack of regulation of technology companies is not because elected officials don't understand the internet. That used to be the case, and it helps explain why they have been so slow with oversight measures. Now, though, new questions about technology get mapped onto increasingly intractable political divides. Without the distractions of bizarre questions, what's left is the naked reality that the parties are deeply at odds over how to protect consumers and encourage businesses. Dozens of bills to strengthen privacy, encourage competition and quell misinformation have stalled because of a basic disagreement over the hand of government on businesses.

    (Emphasis added.)

    The implicit message of this article is that a given set of regulation is desirable and if those other people would just stop digging in their dang heels, all would be well.

    The other perspective is there's deep fundamental disagreements on what the right set of regulations, if any, should be. If that's the case, we shouldn't just implement something, anything. We need to first do the hard work of defining the problem, reaching a consensus the problem needs to be solved, and that specific se

  • by nasch ( 598556 )

    It's ridiculous to focus on regulating social media companies while ignoring the ongoing (or actively promoting) the harm the monopolistic / oligopolistic internet service providers continue to do to the US public. Start promoting community broadband and/or local loop unbundling, and then I might start to believe you actually give a damn about antitrust issues.

  • The need to regulate Big Tech is a foregone conclusion. There are market forces here at work. They didn't get big by not giving folks what they want. This whole argument makes me think of the folks who hit the strip joint on Saturday night and then shake their Bible at it Sun morning.

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