America's Border Patrol 'Can Track Everyone's Car' By Buying License Plate-Reader Data (arstechnica.com) 142
America's border-protection agency "can track everyone's cars all over the country thanks to massive troves of automated license plate scanner data, a new report reveals," reports Ars Technica.
And they didn't need to request search warrants from the courts, the article explains, since "the agency did just what hundreds of other businesses and investigators do: straight-up purchase access to commercial databases." U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) has been buying access to commercial automated license plate-reader databases since 2017, TechCrunch reports, and the agency says bluntly that there's no real way for any American to avoid having their movements tracked. "CBP cannot provide timely notice of license plate reads obtained from various sources outside of its control," the agency wrote in its most recent privacy assessment. "The only way to opt out of such surveillance is to avoid the impacted area, which may pose significant hardships and be generally unrealistic...."
CBP already buys cell phone location data, even though it would not legally be able to hoover it up on a wide scale directly. Police also purchase hacked and breached data from third-party vendors that they can then use to track and identify individuals in ways that otherwise might have required a warrant.
Although hundreds of jurisdictions nationwide use automated plate-scanning technology, fewer than 20 states have laws of any kind on their books governing the collection, use, and storage of automated license plate-reader (ALPR) data. Even fewer of those laws specify what private entities can collect ALPR data and what can be done with that information. The software also seems to become more granular almost by the day.
Theoretically, CBP only has authority to operate within 100 miles of the US border. The data it purchases, however, may allow it to track any given license plate basically anywhere in the country.
And they didn't need to request search warrants from the courts, the article explains, since "the agency did just what hundreds of other businesses and investigators do: straight-up purchase access to commercial databases." U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) has been buying access to commercial automated license plate-reader databases since 2017, TechCrunch reports, and the agency says bluntly that there's no real way for any American to avoid having their movements tracked. "CBP cannot provide timely notice of license plate reads obtained from various sources outside of its control," the agency wrote in its most recent privacy assessment. "The only way to opt out of such surveillance is to avoid the impacted area, which may pose significant hardships and be generally unrealistic...."
CBP already buys cell phone location data, even though it would not legally be able to hoover it up on a wide scale directly. Police also purchase hacked and breached data from third-party vendors that they can then use to track and identify individuals in ways that otherwise might have required a warrant.
Although hundreds of jurisdictions nationwide use automated plate-scanning technology, fewer than 20 states have laws of any kind on their books governing the collection, use, and storage of automated license plate-reader (ALPR) data. Even fewer of those laws specify what private entities can collect ALPR data and what can be done with that information. The software also seems to become more granular almost by the day.
Theoretically, CBP only has authority to operate within 100 miles of the US border. The data it purchases, however, may allow it to track any given license plate basically anywhere in the country.
Put Bicycle pedals on it. (Score:1)
Do we still have border patrol? (Score:2)
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Well, they've got a massive budget from Trump and congress so they need to find something to do so they have to go after easier targets. You thought they wanted to spend all their time finding doing nothing or tacking the hardcore criminals? Come on it was bound to happen.
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What? (Score:2)
Did you miss the part about how that can track everyone regardless? Anyway, I'm all for surveillance if it helps solve crime. I think the FBI and local police oughta do more surveillance, as long as it's to solve highly violent crime, not the CBP BS. If we had full surveillance of public areas the murder rate will reduce drastically because we'd solve many of them and people would be more deterred and killers wont get to do more than one crime. We should require encryption on the video feed and the decrypti
They could solve crimes if. (Score:2)
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I mean, murders are right around an all-time low. So I don't think we need to sacrifice our civil liberties to fix a non-problem.
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Well, that is quite naive. If they have that data, they are going to use it for everything they can. And they certainly will use it against people they do not like that commit a petty crime. Also, reduce the murder rate drastically? What planet do you live on? That does not happen as an effect of surveillance.
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Yes it would reduce the rate. Currently, 40% of homicides are unsolved ..many of which are people shot in broad daylight .. you don't think having video will help solve some of them? The number could be even worse because God knows some of the "solved" ones may have the wrong person. If we solve more murders, that will create a deterrent and prevent people who got away with it from doing it twice or more.
https://www.usatoday.com/story... [usatoday.com]
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Yes it would reduce the rate. Currently, 40% of homicides are unsolved ..many of which are people shot in broad daylight .. you don't think having video will help solve some of them? The number could be even worse because God knows some of the "solved" ones may have the wrong person. If we solve more murders, that will create a deterrent and prevent people who got away with it from doing it twice or more.
https://www.usatoday.com/story... [usatoday.com]
Nope. Look at numbers from the UK. Surveillance has no value as a deterrent.
You like big government (Score:3, Interesting)
This is big government. Congrats. And there's nothing you can do about it because you're too afraid to live in a society with fewer laws.
Re:You like big government (Score:5, Interesting)
This is small government buying data from private companies. How do private companies get the data from people travelling on public roads? Parking garages, private car parks in malls, stuff like that I understand. But how are private companies getting licence plate scanners into places where people driving on public infrastructure can be tagged? It's because the government is farming out things like tolls, traffic monitoring and speed cameras to commercial providers. A different option would be for local governments to manage this stuff themselves. Own their own cameras, operate their own toll booths and traffic monitoring. But people who don't like big government don't like paying taxes that would allow for this. So governments, in actually trying to make themselves smaller, end up allowing those commercial companies to get a hold of this kind of data. Any of the scrutiny of their data collection or control of what happens to that data is out of public hands. These same governments then turn around and use more taxpayer money to buy the data they would have had in the first place had they cut out the middle man. Questions of efficiency aside, it's kind of stupid. By all means distrust your government, but don't handicap them to the point where they can't provide basic infrastructure services without including a third party.
Re:You like big government (Score:5, Insightful)
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I do agree with you on this, the EU is great with GDPR, even if it does sometimes seem very convoluted and overzealous. But that's Europe, not the US. The kind of regulations seen in the EU would never fly in the US, it's far too left wing and in this context is very much about "big government". It's one of the reasons the UK is leaving. Again for me it comes back to this attitude that the government should be small and powerless. That's what many Americans want, it's what they vote for. So when a governmen
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Just pass some strong privacy laws that prevent them collecting most of this data in the first place, keeping it for very long or selling it to anyone else.
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You forget that they're allowed to spend an unlimited amount of money to buy our elections. Since just about the time that this country was founded we've found that companies have free speech rights because they're comprised of people who do as well, and that money is free speech.
So it's not likely we're going to get strong privacy laws anytime soon. There's too much money to be made selling the data, and the government sees too much use to stop buying it.
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The Constitution as written is supposed to prevent this. The Federal government is supposed to have only the powers specifically allocated to it under the Constitution. Tenth Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." So unless there's a specific Constitutional mandate under which the Border Patrol (a Federal agency) can collect license plate d
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What's the practical outcome of this? Who is actually going to make the constitutional case and push it through the courts? I'm not being facetious, this is a real situation that is happening right now. You can see issues with this but it sounds like those original concepts are being not just ignored but actively destroyed. The current administration is only for small government when it suits and limiting the power of Border Control is almost certainly not on the agenda.
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OK, the more I think about this the more I realise it's just plain scary. Those front door security cams could do this for sure, logging every car that drives down a neighborhood street and I'm sure plenty of people would consider that a good thing. There are also plenty of cameras in cars already. We've seen people ID'd for questioning if crimes have been committed. Facial recognition takes it to a different level ... honestly I wonder if it's going to be soon possible to escape being tracked no matter whe
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Except of course if we hit back with "big government" ideas like federal laws on data collection that would deal with the very legality of doing this in the first place.
I'd prefer to have more laws (Score:2)
Government isn't something you're going to get away from. If you don't build the power structures that make up gov't someone else will and they'll use those power structures against you.
The downside is that Gov't isn't something you ever finish. It requires maintenance, just like a car. Go a few years w/o changing your oil and see how your car runs. Skip your tire changes for 5-10 years and try and do a cross country trip. etc, etc.
So the cops have an e
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you can outlaw tracking cameras.
No way to avoid tracking? (Score:2)
Until we have RFID license plates, there's one easy way to avoid license plate scanners which just takes a little mud.
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That's going to stop your TPMS from broadcasting?
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That's going to stop your TPMS from broadcasting?
My TPMS doesn't broadcast -- it uses the wheel speed sensors from the ABS system.
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Ours, too. That's why it doesn't fucking work.
Your tire has to lose a LOT of air — basically, it has to be a hazard — before it will register on that kind of "TPMS" (which is not TPMS at all.)
But your tires still probably have RFID tags in them, because that's what manufacturers are using for tracking now. And they can be read at quite some distance with the right hardware.
N1 editors (Score:2)
Score 1 (when I used my karma bonus) with no comment history available.
Even the editors are mod-trolling me.
It's so nice to know that my comments affect people.
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From what I can see, when I mod a comment with no existing comment moderation, the moderation sticks, but there's no sign of the type of moderation I used. After a second moderation it seems to stick. I've had plenty of my own comments modded up or down a single time, with no indication of what moderation was chosen (insightful, informative, etc). I suppose this behavior is on purpose to reduce the group think a little bit.
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Ours, too. That's why it doesn't fucking work.
Your tire has to lose a LOT of air — basically, it has to be a hazard — before it will register on that kind of "TPMS" (which is not TPMS at all.)
Isn't that kind of the point? To alert you when the tire pressure loss has become a hazard? Mine worked -- drove through a construction zone and 5 minutes later the TPMS alerted. Was at an exit, so took the exit and checked the tires and it was 8 PSI low in one tire. Topped it up and drove 2 blocks to a tire store and they found the nail and repaired it. By law, new vehicle TPMS systems need to alert you when the tire has lost 25% pressure. This one met that target exactly.
Without any monitoring at all, I w
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TPMS is flaky enough that it often can't successfully broadcast from the wheels to the antennas in the wheel wells. Reading TPMS while you're zooming past is probably a waste of time. RFID in your tires, on the other hand...
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Where's the Border (Score:3)
The problem is that "the border", according to these asshats, also includes any international airport.
SO, if you live within 100 miles of an international airport, you are within their grasp, even if you are in the middle of the country, hundreds of miles from our border with Canada or Mexico.
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Because the government is knowingly doing an end run around the Constitution, and the government ignoring the primary limitations on it means that the rule of law has gone right the fuck out the window.
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Yeah but one time the Saudis flew airplanes into our buildings so we invaded two other countries, created the gestapo that is DHS, and made a bunch of laws to create a police and surveillance state while selling the Saudis billions of dollars in weapons and buying oil from them.
You know, a proportional response to what happened.
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Can you name every felony crime in the US?
If not, how can you be certain that you haven't committed a felony? And before you say you haven't done anything that *should* be a felony, remember that in the united states, picking up a fallen bird feather in your backyard can constitute a felony offense.
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This is a problem for you why? Are you a terrorist, drug smuggler, involved in human trafficing, or involved in any other criminal activity?
So... your argument is that unless I'm a criminal I don't actually need the protections provided by the Bill of Rights, so we should just scrap it entirely, everywhere in the country? You don't think non-criminals benefit from first amendment protections of speech, worship and assembly, or protection from unjustified search and seizure of their property, or the right to a jury trial, or due process of law, or the right to keep and bear arms?
Is this really the argument you want to make? Keep in mind that i
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It also includes the coasts. That means it covers basically everywhere interesting.
But since we're now seeing federales jumping out of SUVs to kidnap citizens without just cause, it's safe to assume they give no fucks about where you are anyway
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The problem is that "the border", according to these asshats, also includes any international airport.
SO, if you live within 100 miles of an international airport, you are within their grasp, even if you are in the middle of the country, hundreds of miles from our border with Canada or Mexico.
While they'd like that to be true, they'll settle for you believing that it is. As it stands, it's only 100 air miles from an external border. See the ACLU [aclu.org] for details.
Anyone can run a plate reader including you (Score:3, Interesting)
Though I'm being facetious this is a real possibility. People have done things like this already such as the radar detector systems that collect reports from all radar detectors or Google Maps overlays that collect citizen reports of speed traps and build a national database of where speed traps are.
And what are these ALPR companies that collect this license plate data doing with it? Manipulating the stock market? Tracking government officials, foreign nationals, and rich people and blackmailing them? Improving the targeting of marketing? Selling to insurers? Who knows?
Donote to the EFF to find out:
https://www.eff.org/pages/what... [eff.org]
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It would be interesting if someone created an open database where people could upload license plate tracking data from around the country/world and allows ANYONE to query it. If just a few dozen people who live on busy thoroughfares in major cities did this it could be really useful. Get a few more to occasionally drive through mall/Wal-mart/Target/motel parking lots to log addition data and it could be even more useful. Even better if you add an app where you can capture data as you walk in/out of a busine
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And what are these ALPR companies that collect this license plate data doing with it?
It's just another piece of data they can offer to law enforcement. Local and state ordinances may prohibit public officials from collecting such data in the name of privacy. But they can stop them from buying it from private vendors.
Tracking government officials,
Yeah. That too. There's nothing stopping the Chinese Army from setting up a "market research" front company and buying tracking data to see who drives into local defense plants every morning.
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That too. There's nothing stopping the Chinese Army from setting up a "market research" front company and buying tracking data to see who drives into local defense plants every morning.
Time for a white-hat demo project. Who's looking to do a demo at the next security conference?
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Just download the open source OpenALPR software and connect it to a camera next to your street.
I've wondered about this. The OCR software doesn't seem to be that much of a problem. But many of the longer range ALPR systems utilize special cameras and IR illumination to help pick plates out of background clutter (utilizing plates retroreflective properties). Good systems can pick plates out at 100 yards or more, based upon some of the installations I've seen.
Time to watch the watchers (Score:3)
I wonder how long it will be before some bright spark figures out how to cobble together an ad hoc surveillance network allowing them to track police officers, both on and off duty.
I'm told there was a time in America when both the left and right agreed on one thing: that "freedom" didn't involve reflexive subservience to thugs with badges.
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Hong Kong protesters did exactly that. China forced Apple to ban the app. By the time Apple reversed said ban, it was effectively too late to matter.
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No doubt you've noticed the irony of all those tech companies arguing that they should be allowed to kiss China's heinie in return for permission to operate there, "because we will make them more open and free".
The Real Border's in Your Mind, Man! (Score:3)
So, naturally, they have to track you everywhere in case you cross it in your imagination...
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Thoughtcrime is already a thing.
If the DEA or ATF could figure out how to make a drug or a weapon using items in your household, they'll already arrest you for attempted manufacture or constructive possession that will stick, regardless of your actual actions, possession of drugs or weapons, or motives.
All it takes is one anonymous tip.
Since it's trivial to do that with the stuff lying around most households in America, they can drag off anyone for wrongthink. Don't you dare have a first aid kit and change
Its far worse here in the UK (Score:2)
CCTV is endemic in this country and Automatic NumberPlate Reader (ANPR) cameras are also situated all over London, plenty of other cities and the motorways. Some are run by the police but some are run by local authorities who can also access the driver info if needed. Also most police patrol cars are fitted with it too. Any chance of being anonymous driving your car in the UK went out the window years ago.
Yes, solving crime etc. But its like the car safety argument - there is no cutoff point for those inte
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>> Yes, solving crime etc.
I don't think it solves an crime. Reference needed.
Half live it now! (Score:2)
Watch where you go. Watch what you do. Watch what you say. Watch what you buy.
Sorry, "watched", as in "you're".
The future's shaping up real effin' nice. If only people had written books warning us about this, with politicians working to stop it, instead of telling tales how they'll only use it for law enforcement, they promise!
Border patrol isn't the problem here (Score:2, Insightful)
Border control isn't really the issue here. The real issue is the massive collection of license plate data by commercial firms. Perhaps time for some regulation on this industry so that they don't have data to sell to government to start with.
Sure you might not be able to stop people from collecting this data, but you surely can regulate the SALE of this information.
Whether or not our legislators have an appetite for this, well...
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regulate the SALE of this information
That's corporate free speech. It cant be stopped.
partisan agencies (Score:2)
border zone is 63% covers US population (Score:2)
Chain of custody (Score:2)
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Did you miss the part about how that can track everyone regardless?
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The creation and possession of these databases constitute a threat to America's national security--the security that matters to you, yours.
The cops have already shown that they're not doing it to protect you. They are the corporate enforcenent arm, and you will get with the slave program. The fact that 75% of people in the US live within 100 miles of a border or international airport should give you pause.
Ban organized surveillance without a warrant issued specific for each and every person's data, particul
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Who said anything about crossing borders?
This is about tracking people inside the USA.
Re: Let me get this straight (Score:2)
The private brokers should reconsider their client base if certain ones destroy their business model.
Re:Let me get this straight (Score:4, Insightful)
all over the country
You probably just didn't see it Lynnwood.
It was hiding up there in the very first line of the summary...
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It's pretty clear that Lynnwood can barely read. The guy is constantly posting links to articles that he thinks state his position, when in fact the article says the opposite. The guy claims he's all about freedom, but when it comes to America and his god Trump, he's willing to make all sorts of idiotic arguments to justify his actions.
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But the moment you breathe the same actions directed toward him; it's like you just murdered his mother.
"If it doesn't affect me, why should I
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How about when you cross into the 100 mile wide "border zone" surrounding the Tulsa International Airport? Or the "border zone" that runs for 100 miles on each side of the Mississippi? Within that zone they can pull you over without any justification, detain you at whim, search your stuff, and in fact tear you car apart and leave it in pieces alongside the highway as part of their search. Why do you think Rump is so hot and bothered to get Fatherland Security involved involved in poll watching this fall?
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International "points of entry" are considered "borders" per Fatherland Security, along with their 100 mile jurisdiction. The Mississippi and Colombia rivers, as far as they're navigable by shipping, and the Great Lakes are considered in their entirety as any international ship could anchor anywhere along them. Thus you have the absurdity of Customs and Border Patrol raiding a farm that my sister's bosses own in Grand Traverse County, MI. Even though it's 170 miles from Canada it's only 5 miles from Lake
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And what the hell does any of this have to do with the CBP being able to track everyone's car, regardless if they are at the border or not, and their movements? Even as a foreigner, in the EU do they track your every move after entry? Stop trying to make bullshit arguments to justify this crap.
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"No, but as a EU citizen, you need to answer questions when returning to the EU. "
No. The US citizens don't have to either.
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I'm a naturalized US citizen, and I was once asked what was my category when I first got a US visa (which I barely remembered). This was shortly after I became a US citizen, and I got more of a grilling than I'd ever had as a green card holder.
Since then I have occasionally been asked where I was born. Having global entry these days has reduced my interaction with immigration anyway.
Re:Let me get this straight (Score:4, Insightful)
The law needs to recognize that scale transforms things.
If you note a license plate and its location, that's you. Fine.
If you note every location that license plate goes to, it's now stalking.
If you note every location that every license plate goes to, it's now a surveillance state.
We have to recognize that, even if the singular act is the same, scaling utterly transforms its meaning. So we need to legislate about scale and use. You can't ban an individual from noting a license plate. But you can ban or regulate the creation of a large-scale database. You can ban the sale of that data. You can ban the service of searching that data.
We already do this with credit reporting. I can notice whether your transaction goes through or not, but if I pool that data with records of other transactions, and try to sell it, pretty soon I'm a credit agency and subject to heavy regulation.
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It's like you didn't even read, you just repeated yourself.
Explain to me why we can't treat it like credit card data. After all, you whipped it out in public where anyone could theoretically record it. Your transactional data isn't owned by you.
Why is it not okay to sell your transaction data that shows up in public locations by virtue of eyeballs and physics, but camera footage tracking you everywhere is okay?
Remember, you said there's NO expectation of privacy in public. If I record your debit card number
Are you kidding me? (Score:5, Interesting)
This is an end run around those rulings. They let other folks collect it and then buy it.
They can do this for other stuff too. Let hackers hack into computers and sell them the data. Since they didn't get the data themselves no 4th violation, right?
You're saying "But Mr silvergun, hacking is illegal!!!". Yeah, and who's gonna arrest them, the cops?
This + what's going on in Portland Oregon (google it if you've somehow missed it) is fucking terrifying.
Re:Are you kidding me? (Score:5, Informative)
what's going on in Portland Oregon (google it if you've somehow missed it) is fucking terrifying.
Jeebus, had missed this entirely. Here's one link to coverage [theguardian.com] for people who don't want to Google it.
Militarized federal agents deployed by Donald Trump to Portland, Oregon, fired tear gas at protesters again late on Friday night, even as the cityâ(TM)s mayor demanded the agents be removed and the stateâ(TM)s attorney general vowed to seek a restraining order against them.
Brownâ(TM)s spokesman, Charles Boyle, said arresting people without probable cause was âoeextraordinarily concerning and a violation of their civil liberties and constitutional rightsâ.
âoeUsually when we see people in unmarked cars forcibly grab someone off the street we call it kidnapping,âoe said Jann Carson, ACLU interim executive director. âoeThe actions of the militarized federal officers are flat-out unconstitutional and will not go unanswered.â
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It's a tough break for Portland but if they're within 100 miles of Canada CBP can do whatever the fuck they want for no reason at all.
If you hop on I-5 in Portland and drive north until you reach the Canadian border, you'll be driving for almost 300 miles. There's a whole state between Portland and Canada.
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I think their justification is that the coast is a border, and Portland is within 100 miles of it.
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So is the airport. So is the Columbia River as far as it is navigable.
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So is the airport. So is the Columbia River as far as it is navigable.
Airports are questionable. There are court rulings both ways. Interior navigable waterways are not national borders.
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I know. That's the reason I mentioned it. I thought that was common knowledge by now.
Re:Are you kidding me? (Score:4, Informative)
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Portland has an international airport and is within 100 miles of the Pacific Ocean, both of which have been declared "border zones" since 2001 or 2002. Fatherland Security's "border zones" cover over 80% of the US population (I think it's close to 90).
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You are delusional. Those aren't protesters, they are terrorists.
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The [violence] has angered and frustrated some in the Black community, who say a “white fringe element” is distracting from their message with senseless destruction in a city where nearly three-quarters of residents are white and less than 6% are Black.
It has nothing to do with helping Black people. These hoodlums are needlessly scaring neighbors and their children....People in that neighborhood were upset. That’s not something they’re going to tolerate...and there’s definitely a segment [of protestors] that is very violent."
buying is collecting (Score:2)
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Sorry to remind you of this yet again, but apparently your reading retention skills need some work.
Not everyone on the Left reads off the same script of marching orders. There are progressives who lobby for space colonization and nuclear power plants, and others who believe we should return to non-mechanized farming and transportation, and the majority cover the incredibly wide spectrum in between. There are Stalinists and anarchists, vegans and paleos, etc. It's not like your Libertardian movement that
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I think the complaint is more that they can track everyone, everywhere with this type of data, which is not only illegal and immoral, it's not even their job.
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You're going to need to regulate the corporate overlords if you want to stop this. You need to criminalize possession and creation of such large scale organized surveillance databases and networks.
Convenience has a terrible cost in this case, where we need real security, not databases to enable an end-run around our privacy, stalking, and pogroms.
There are those bad actors who would cheer on a series of Stalinist purges. Do you particularly want to enable the #1 arms dealer and prison slave state to do that
Re: Let me get this straight (Score:2)
Well, the federal governemnt is also currently using the Border Patrol's tactical team-in unmarked camouflage uniforms and unmarked vehicles-to round up and arrest protestors in Portland.
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Do you think La Migra isn't tracking you because you live in St. Louis or Nashville and it's over 100 miles from either the Canadian or Mexican border? Well guess what, Shrub declared that every city with an international airport is considered a "border", as is the shore of every navigable waterway. Yep, Boise or Denver is considered a "border" by these goat fuckers, their supposed jurisdiction covers over 90% of the US population.
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Fuck this world, I'm ready to die. Nothing good here
As long as there's pussy and ice cream, it can't be that bad
Hint: do not combine, enjoy serially