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Inside the Podcast that Hacks Ring Camera Owners Live on Air (vice.com) 112

In the NulledCast podcast hackers livestream the harassment of Ring camera owners after accessing their devices. Hundreds of people can listen. From a report: A blaring siren suddenly rips through the Ring camera, startling the Florida family inside their own home. "It's your boy Chance on Nulled," a voice says from the Ring camera, which a hacker has taken over. "How you doing? How you doing?" "Welcome to the NulledCast," the voice says. The NulledCast is a podcast livestreamed to Discord. It's a show in which hackers take over people's Ring and Nest smarthome cameras and use their speakers to talk to and harass their unsuspecting owners. In the example above, Chance blared noises and shouted racist comments at the Florida family. "Sit back and relax to over 45 minutes of entertainment," an advertisement for the podcast posted to a hacking forum called Nulled reads. "Join us as we go on completely random tangents such as; Ring & Nest Trolling, telling shelter owners we killed a kitten, Nulled drama, and more ridiculous topics. Be sure to join our Discord to watch the shows live."

Software to hack Ring cameras has recently become popular on the forum. The software churns through previously compromised email addresses and passwords to break into Ring cameras at scale. This has led to a recent spate of hacks that have occurred both during the podcast and at other times, several of which have been covered by local media outlets. In Brookhaven a hacker shouted at a sleeping woman through her hacked Ring camera to wake-up. In Texas, a hacker demanded a couple pay a bitcoin ransom. Hackers targeted a family in DeSoto County, Mississippi, and spoke through the device to one of the young children.

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Inside the Podcast that Hacks Ring Camera Owners Live on Air

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  • I say that tongue in cheek before you guys start crying. Fuck media. Media has gone completely against the people. Yes I support security testing/hacking and what not but to make this to be a thing of enjoyment exploiting people who are just trying to use a device that can monitor their home or business is absolutely an asshole thing to do. This is also the 500th anti Ring article this month and a half. Thanks /. for making sure it's all on our news feeds.
    • The only way a gun can protect you from this is to shoot the camera.

      Though, it would be funny if "your boy Chance"'s got to livestream his own arrest, since he is basically recording his own crimes.

    • This is also the 500th anti Ring article this month and a half. Thanks /. for making sure it's all on our news feeds.

      If you haven't figured out yet that Slashdot thrives by trolling with arguments to increase page views, you deserve to be upset.

      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        The real crux of this story is, this is what hackers can do to Ring and Nest, what can the owners of those devices do and we are not talking the gullible fools who bought and installed them, we are talking the real owners, Amazon and who they contract to, the deep state. Watch and monitor you 24/7/365, even if you put you phone down, the monitoring can continue. Do you realise, via your phone, they can tell when you are alone and sleeping and feed you back subliminal messaging whilst you sleep, totally 100%

  • These companies have repeatedly failed to earn our trust yet they continue to thrive. All of them. Media shills continue to push these products out without mentioning the potentially huge ramifications.
    • What "huge ramifications"? They are just using your password to do stuff you can do with your device. Change your password. What is next? Someone uses someone else's email account to send emails?

      • Expecting Joe SixPack to understand technology so these things don't happen for starters. Everyone here gets what you are saying but obviously plenty of users don't.
        • I'm pretty sure every Joe Sixpack understands the concept of "change your password".

          • by thomn8r ( 635504 )

            I'm pretty sure every Joe Sixpack understands the concept of "change your password".

            And you would be wrong.

            • Right. People are dumb and don't understand the concept of changing a password in 2019. Good thing you are a slashdot genius and don't suffer from that problem.

          • I'm pretty sure every Joe Sixpack understands the concept of "change your password".

            I'm pretty sure there a lot of Joe Sixpacks out there who don't understand the concept of "password", let alone changing it.

            • How do you setup a Ring without a password? You can't. So you claim there are a lot of people that have a Ring AND don't understand the concept of a password? Amazing. You guys are so smart.

              • by Chris Mattern ( 191822 ) on Thursday December 12, 2019 @05:03PM (#59513920)

                The system tells them to type something in. They type something in. Doesn't mean they understand what they're typing in.

                • I see. So people are so dumb that when they are asked to type in an account password they don't know what a password means. And they never had to enter in a password before to access something like email, or a website. Thanks Chris. Too bad average people aren't as smart as you.

                  • by Chris Mattern ( 191822 ) on Thursday December 12, 2019 @05:12PM (#59513956)

                    You've never worked in tech support, have you? Not everybody is that dumb, but, yes, some people are. They just do what the all the sites/software tells them to do without understanding why they all ask for it. It's just the way computers are, that's all.

                    • Right. In 2019 some people don't understand the concept of passwords because they have never used an email account before. But somehow they are able to connect a Ring doorbell to their wifi and have to enter in a password in the box where it says "password". Makes a lot of sense. So when you tell them to "change their password", they just say "what be a password?"

                    • Tech Support.

                      Not a very high bar.

      • How do you change your password if the first thing the attacker does is change it to something you don't know and probably the email and contact info associated with the device?

  • ... he could have simply said he is a cop.
    Or pay Amazon a penny and a half.

    But I guess if you are bad with humans *andy with the Bezos from planet Bezos [youtu.be] ...

  • well can move from podcasts to court TV or an live PD bust.

  • Hacking (Score:4, Insightful)

    by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Thursday December 12, 2019 @04:26PM (#59513742) Homepage Journal

    I guess typing in a known password is what qualifies for "hacking" nowadays.

    • Re:Hacking (Score:5, Insightful)

      by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Thursday December 12, 2019 @04:40PM (#59513826)

      We can debate whether the dude deserves the term "hacker"; but I'd guess it's close to unanimous that he deserves the term "asshole".

      • Soon he can add "inmate" to the list of titles he can bandy about. If these are the crimes he's literally narcing on himself about, what other dumb shit is he doing?
      • We can debate whether the dude deserves the term "hacker"; but I'd guess it's close to unanimous that he deserves the term "asshole".

        Just to be clear, are you referring to the person who refuses to change their password after being hacked multiple times, ties up legal resources reporting a "crime", and then accuses the manufacturer of making a shitty product...

        ...or the person who confirms how much consumers are assholes?

        • by ChoGGi ( 522069 )

          If I don't lock my door, and you come in and steal my stuff... You're still an asshole committing a crime.

          • If I don't lock my door, and you come in and steal my stuff... You're still an asshole committing a crime.

            Cute story. Now let's describe what people are actually doing here.

            You don't lock your door. In fact, you never lock your door no matter how many times people tell you. It's now the third time this year you're calling the police to report the crime of you never learning. You actually got angry last time at the automobile insurance rep last time for raising your rates, as if this is somehow their fault. As a result of this happening more often than necessary, the rest of society is also forced to pay fo

            • by jabuzz ( 182671 )

              Don't know about the US, but if you leave your doors unlocked in the UK whether it's your house or car their is a very high chance the insurance company will not pay out.

            • by ChoGGi ( 522069 )

              I leave my front and rear door open in the summer to get some airflow, are you saying if you come by and see my door open; it's okay for you to stand in my house and yell racist stuff at me, and I'm an asshole when I call the cops on you each time you do it?

              Me hiring a pen tester is quite different from some rando on the internet doing it for shits n giggles.

              • I leave my front and rear door open in the summer to get some airflow, are you saying if you come by and see my door open; it's okay for you to stand in my house and yell racist stuff at me, and I'm an asshole when I call the cops on you each time you do it?

                Yes you are, because we have the 1st Amendment. But if you don't believe me, we can repeat that action until the police officers call you an asshole and/or arrest you for wasting police resources reporting the "crime" of being offended.

                Me hiring a pen tester is quite different from some rando on the internet doing it for shits n giggles.

                Please. It's not different at all. Both the pen tester and the internet rando are telling people exactly what they're doing wrong, and yet consumers choose to ignore both of them anyway. Only difference is the internet rando is offering the same advice for free.

  • How is taking a list of known compromised credentials and using it to see if you can login to a service hacking? They are not hacking into ring, they are accessing ring accounts via valid credentials. If I use my slashdot password for my email and slashdot gets hacked would you say the hacker figured out how to hack my mail server?

    • How is taking a list of known compromised credentials and using it to see if you can login to a service hacking?

      If they have not been authorized to access the account, then they are violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse act.

      https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030

      It doesn't matter from where they got the compromised credentials. If somebody steals the key to your house, makes a copy, and thumbtacks the copied key to a bulletin board in the local supermarket with the note "here's a key to XXX house!"-- yes, it's illegal for somebody to use that key to enter your house and take stuff. Saying "but I had a key

      • The argument wasn't whether it was illegal, but whether it was hacking. In the vernacular, it's true that anything done with a computer that's illegal is called hacking. But that's not at all what hacking means.

        • by Sebby ( 238625 )

          The argument wasn't whether it was illegal, but whether it was hacking. In the vernacular, it's true that anything done with a computer that's illegal is called hacking. But that's not at all what hacking means.

          Seems to fit one definition [wikipedia.org] (besides being called a 'cracker'):

          someone who is able to subvert computer security. If doing so for malicious purposes, the person can also be called a cracker.

          • I'd argue that entering a username and password is not subverting security, but rather simply using it.

            • by Sebby ( 238625 )

              I'd argue that entering a username and password is not subverting security, but rather simply using it.

              Hence me highlighting the 'macilcious purposes' part.

              • You can't do something for malicious purposes that you're not doing.

                You can do something for malicious purposes that doesn't qualify as subverting security measures too.

    • by smooth wombat ( 796938 ) on Thursday December 12, 2019 @05:30PM (#59514024) Journal

      That's like saying if I get your credit card information and use it to purchase items, I'm not committing a crime because the information is valid.

    • They are not hacking into ring, they are accessing ring accounts via valid credentials.

      They are accessing ring accounts without authorisation. Stolen credentials are not authorisation. That falls straight into the category "criminal hacking".

  • people did this to themselves. buying these devices was always a "high risk for little reward" situation.
    • Lol, what risk? And as for reward, I can literally see who is approaching my door and/or ringing my doorbell 24 hours a day from anywhere. That's not "little reward" it's very useful.
  • Simultaneously one of the best and worst things to happen to civilization in the past 50 years.

    I get that "hacking" someone's security camera might lead to some funny moments. Maybe it can be used as a reminder to ensure proper security on these devices. To be an outright asshole while doing it.. this is why I'd support public stockades.
    • by djinn6 ( 1868030 )

      If it wasn't for them being assholes, there would be no news story, and people would keep believing their internet-connected webcam is secure.

      I think they're doing a great service.

  • ...simply by comparing their user's passwords with HaveIBeenPwned and forcing a password reset before anyone can get in.

    So why haven't they done this already?

  • by twocows ( 1216842 ) on Thursday December 12, 2019 @05:32PM (#59514034)
    Demonstrating that these devices are easily hackable and should not be trusted is meaningful and useful. Being a complete dick in the process is not and is likely to make the already clueless public think even worse of "hackers," which, in their ignorance, will include everyone from these dipshits to actual security professionals pointing out security flaws, and that eventually gets reflected in public policy and sometimes judicial decisions. Fuck these pricks.
    • People who are nice, who would not harass but educate people who buy things they can not manage competently are usually well adjusted citizens, with a good paying job, a nice family a good work life balance. They would not find spend time to find security holes and spend their free time educating them.

      So we are looking at these jerks on one hand and even more of a jerk of a corporation releasing such products. In the end, when we root for the lesser of the two evils, we are still rooting for evil.

  • by sdinfoserv ( 1793266 ) on Thursday December 12, 2019 @05:37PM (#59514052)
    This is good. It makes people aware internet security is problem. Second , maybe it will make someone think twice before placing some IoT spy/crapware in their home.
    • This is good. It makes people aware internet security is problem. Second , maybe it will make someone think twice before placing some IoT spy/crapware in their home.

      No, it is bad. Apparently you could not be bothered to skim the summary:

      In the example above, Chance blared noises and shouted racist comments at the Florida family.

      • I am horribly bothered by ignorant people assuming IoT is safe and innocuous. For the most part humanity is complacent till bad things happen. For Example, the US didn't get laws about escape ladders and unlocked doors during business hours till 146 people were killed in a fire:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
        For the most part our society, especially legal system, is reactive, not proactive. That's just how we operate. It takes events like this to wake up the uneducated.
  • Candid Camera is a classic show from the early days of TV that had to be banned along with all spinoffs because bad operators took over. I hereby assign footage of people with their Nest Thermostat changed to torture them to SpyTV... NBC don't air that.

  • Ring (Score:5, Interesting)

    by beep54 ( 1844432 ) <b54oramaster@NospaM.gmail.com> on Thursday December 12, 2019 @06:58PM (#59514314)
    I have absolutely no sympathy for idiots that install invasive crap like this in their homes. This goes for 'smart' speakers too.
    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      Thats their home, their private property and their security product to use and install...
    • That's akin to saying, "I have absolutely no sympathy for idiots who buy a house when someone breaks in and stabs them. This goes for garages too." The person who took over their account is breaking the law. Period. Not everyone understands security and often re-uses passwords. Do you realize Titan, Schalge and Defiant reuse keys for deadbolts and door locks? Is it ok if I use a set of keys to get into your house and steal everything? "We have no sympathy for idiots who don't understand tumblers and p

  • Wifi?
    Password?
    Hardware?
    Ethernet?

    How can this be prevented with better design?

    Better wifi? A really strong, long and unique password on setup?
    Hardware? Something has to change?
    Ethernet? Should some type of network connections be changed to ethernet?
  • So the Ring camera has a loudspeaker where Amazon can talk to you? Why would someone want that in their home?
  • In unrelated news, many /. posters announce how outraged they are about people taking things from their unlocked cars.

  • There's no "you failed 5 login attempts, you have to answer a CAPTCHA", or "you failed 10 times, your account is now locked" at a minimum?

    • by penix1 ( 722987 )

      This wasn't a brute force attack. It was people using the same password for their device that they used on another site that had their password lists compromised.

      • by rjr162 ( 69736 )

        This wasn't a brute force attack. It was people using the same password for their device that they used on another site that had their password lists compromised.

        Ahhh thanks I misread the churns over thinking it was chruning over a giant list with multiple passwords per usernsme as well.

  • I won't install Ring, Nest et al. I will pick up inexpensive cameras that can email me static shots of course. Hell at home I run scans against all hardware devices - cameras, pc's, routers, firewalls etc. I once had a Cisco RV110 firewall and that sucker exposed a hell of a lot.

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