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Facebook's Libra Cryptocurrency Could Be Misused By Terrorists, Says Treasury Chief Mnuchin (cnbc.com) 97

In a press conference Monday, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said Facebook's proposed digital currency, Libra, "could be misused by money launderers and terrorist financiers" and that it was a "national security issue." CNBC reports: "Cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin have been exploited to support billions of dollars of illicit activity like cyber crime, tax evasion, extortion, ransomware, illicit drugs and human trafficking," Mnuchin said, adding that he is "not comfortable today" with Facebook's launch. "They have a lot of work to do," he said. The press conference comes days after President Donald Trump said in a tweet that he was "not a fan" of cryptocurrencies like bitcoin. He also suggested Facebook, which plans on launching the global cryptocurrency next year, would need a bank charter to do so. Bitcoin dropped sharply on Monday following the president's criticism on Twitter. The world's first and most valuable digital currency fell roughly 10% to a low of $9,872 to start the week.

"The president does have concerns as it relates to bitcoin and cryptocurrencies -- those are legitimate concerns that we have been working on for a long period of time," Mnuchin said. In response to the Treasury secretary's comments, Facebook told CNBC that "they anticipated critical feedback from regulators, central banks, lawmakers around the world." The tech giant also said they announced Libra a year before its anticipated launch date, "so that we could have those conversations."

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Facebook's Libra Cryptocurrency Could Be Misused By Terrorists, Says Treasury Chief Mnuchin

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  • Cryptocurrency Is Being used By Terrorists, Says Treasury Chief Mnuchin

    FTFY.

    • Re:LOL (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 15, 2019 @07:33PM (#58931278)

      Cash Is Being used By Terrorists, Says Treasury Chief Mnuchin

      • by brxndxn ( 461473 )

        Terrorists are freely breathing air that should only be available to non-terrorists!

        -- Treasury Chief Dumbass

      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        Clearly the message being put out is not the actual one, more a kind of declaration of WAR. Good on you Facebook, the idiots who took one step to far, the proverbial straw on the camels back. It does not look good for crypto going forward, well at least unbacked and unregulated crypto with no central market controlled by the USA (run), energy needs to be traded.

    • Cryptocurrency Is Being used By Terrorists, Says Treasury Chief Mnuchin

      FTFY.

      I watched 3/4s of the allegedly futuristic '91 movie Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man yesterday evening, and in one scene the Don Johnson character is calling his gal pal on a pay phone. Like the buggy whip, the old movie trope of physically delivering the cash ransom for blackmail will one day draw quizzical sideways glances from youthful viewers.

      Damn! Why didn't they ask for Libra?

  • by beepsky ( 6008348 ) on Monday July 15, 2019 @07:36PM (#58931286)
    I know of a currency that's impossible to track, can be laundered with ease, can't be taxed if proper measures are taken, can be counterfeited, etc... UNITED STATES FIAT CURRENCY
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Crypto is too volatile to be a useful medium of exchange. Cash printing is highly controlled, actually difficult (just not impossible) to counterfeit, and is the basis of the M2 and M3 money supply, which is mostly electronic dollars, not real cash.

      Cash can be counterfeited, but that's only the M0 money supply. M1, M2, and M3 money is mostly done with ledger transactions, which can be validated, verified, taxed, and is difficult to launder.

    • Physical currency take physical space (ha !) and so you are limited by many factors : how you can smuggle (e.g. chance is that through airplane your currency stash will be interrogated) how much you can smuggle over time (if you withdraw 10+K in cash you will be interrogated same if you deposit) so you need to wash it, and typically spending cash rather than electronic will raise alarm etc.... Why do you think we keep hearing, when drug lord are caught, that they have pallet full of cash ? Money laundering
    • "impossible to track"

      Every bill has a serial number

    • every purchase over $10k that isn't also drugs gets reported to the IRS. Funny thing is our country knows exactly who the drug dealers are, because when they buy cars they buy in cash. But there's no way the car companies and dealerships are gonna let the cops go poking their noses into their dealings...

      It's similar to how we could stop illegal immigration tomorrow if we'd come down like a ton of bricks on employers, but let's face it nobody wants to go without cheap labor in meat packing, restaurants a
  • the banks and the government will declare war on it

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
    • by Anonymous Coward

      No. Cryptocurrency is today at best for fringe users and will never gain enough average joe users to become legitimate the way it's going. Instead, when a big organization decides to tackle it (like Facebook), then the number of users will spread as it becomes more open to the non-fringe people. In that case the banks will finance it to control it and the government will regulate it, tax it, and use it to create a database to monitor all financial transactions, as it's not nearly as anonymous as people t

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Even in states that allow minor amounts for personal use and have medical dispensaries, getting a mainstream bank to work with is difficult in the extreme. Cannabis is still against federal law. Dispensaries can be raided at any time. The politics around this is a mess and it will take a generation for this to sort out. I can't partake because I have a government clearance and it just isn't worth losing everything over. Not everyone is in that position. Use discretion as required.

        Cryptocurrencies will event

  • won't go full PRISM, MONKEYROCKET, OAKSTAR on any use of anything online and track every user?
  • We would rather they keep using the US dollar.

    9 out of 10 accept nothing else...

    • My concern is Facebook standardizing something that then becomes a defacto coinage and thus effecting monetary policy. I'm not sure that's a thing, but it's a risk.

  • ... not FB Libra as it is centrally controlled.... like a bank and we all know FB is friendly with.....gov.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    In a press conference Monday, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said America's currency, Dollars, "could be misused by money launderers and terrorist financiers" and that it was a "national security issue." CNBC reports:
    "Currencies have been exploited to support billions of dollars of illicit activity like cyber crime, tax evasion, extortion, ransomware, illicit drugs and human trafficking," Mnuchin said, adding that he is "not comfortable today" with the concept of money. "They have a lot of work to do," h

  • by Anonymous Coward

    they actually mean 'tax avoidance'. Not getting a cut is what really terrifies the government.

  • by thermowax ( 179226 ) on Monday July 15, 2019 @08:18PM (#58931456)

    So could cash. So could gold. So could anything, although the lack of a physical manifestation makes cryptocurrency attractive for some uses.

    Let's not kid ourselves, though, as to what's really happening: an increasing portion of the global populace has decided that something other than gaudily printed paper is suitable for all debts, public and private- and the governments don't have a hook into it. Thus: NO TAXES. Buh... TERRORISTS!!1!11!

    Personally, I find it pretty amusing that gov'ts in general (but especially here in the US) are caught *again* with their pants down as a result of technological advances. Nakamoto wrote his paper 10 years ago, you goofs. I'm also pretty sure that's why they're stepping on Libra- no control.

    • by craighansen ( 744648 ) on Monday July 15, 2019 @08:45PM (#58931566) Journal

      While your "no control" argument applies to bitcoin, Libra is under control of Facebook, which is a US corporation. So, that's really why they're stepping on Libra - they do have control.

    • an increasing portion of the global populace has decided that something other than gaudily printed paper is suitable for all debts, public and private- and the governments don't have a hook into it. Thus: NO TAXES.

      I'm not sure what mystical value you're attributing to cryptocurrency which enables the user to dodge taxes. Employers and businesses report their financial dealings to the IRS, and crypto doesn't change that. Furthermore, crypto is pretty much useless for actually buying goods and services until you find some sucker to give you fiat currency for it, so exchanges also have the opportunity to rat you out to the tax man.

      No, the real reason the government doesn't like cryptocurrency is same reason the FDA is

    • I will never understand this argument: "cash is tracked by the government, so use Bitcoin which operates by keeping an electronic record of everything permanently and publicly so they can't track it!"

      So long as you have access to any money of any sort, we can trace that money moved from wallet to wallet, and identify who had what wallet. Eventually we find out that you have a wallet that is also owned by whoever had these other historic wallets, and now we know Person X who owned those wallets is you.

  • Really? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 15, 2019 @08:22PM (#58931474)

    "Cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin have been exploited to support billions of dollars of illicit activity like cyber crime, tax evasion, extortion, ransomware, illicit drugs and human trafficking," Mnuchin says.

    Sounds just like any other currency (US dollars) to me.

    Oh and "billions," you say? Mnuchin is either bombasting, completely deluded or trying to assert that Bitcoin is used for illegal activities to the exclusion of all else.

    If we combine the net worth of Bitcoin with that of Litecoin, Monero, Ethereum and all other cryptocurrencies, it comes out close to $100 billion.

    REF: "Putting the World's Money into Perspective," https://www.investopedia.com/t... [investopedia.com]

  • It's the equivalent of evilcorps e-coin.
  • So can knives and guns and ammunition and various fertilizers from Home Depot and Lowe's.

    I guess they should rename Home Depot to Terror R Us.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    If they really wanted to do something about money laundering and terrorism, they would have shut down the world bank of narco money laundering and terrorists...HSBC.

    They didn't. Instead it got a 'pass' as too big to fail....and all the banksters profited on HSBC's crimes.

    So this is fucking Mnuchin with his thumb up his ass telling us his thumb doesn't stink.

    Newsflash... It does.

  • Terrorists like... wicked witch of the east?
  • Unlike other crypto’s out there, Facebook is a big social ad website raking in billions every year. Look at how much it’s made in the stock market. If there’s a crypto to buy this is it. I read these news from this resource https://cryptolinks.com/crypto... [cryptolinks.com]
  • As they are now, cryptocurrencies are good for two things, and little more: speculating, and money laundering. Perhaps one day they will be widely useful for something else. As of now, they are not.
  • When you want to ban/regulate something, it's either terrorists or think of the children.

    Never a logical argument.

    • The Fed wants to keep their monopoly on printing money out of thin air. Tiny things like Bitcoin are no threat to fractional reserve funny money. Something Facebook scale WOULD be a threat to the government's "it's not inflation till after we spend it" stealth tax on all.
  • Remember the Federal Reserve is NOT federal, and it is hardly a reserve. Not many people seem to know that the "Federal Reserve" is a private institution in the hands of the 7 or 12 largest private banks of New York, of which the majority is owned by people overseas. No aspect of the Fed is under any control of any democratic institution, it has never been audited and probably never will be.

    It is not a financial institution, it is not a democratic institution, it is nothing but a very influential trade asso

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