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Hundreds of German Lawmakers Targeted in Mass Cyber Attack (vice.com) 88

A stolen cache of personal information belonging to nearly 1,000 German politicians -- including outgoing Chancellor Angela Merkel -- has been leaked, according to a report published Thursday. From a report: The information includes everything from phone numbers and credit card details to private messages with family members, German media said. The hack has impacted national, regional and EU politicians from all major parties except for members of the far-right Alternative for Germany (Alternative fur Deutschland, or AfD) party. Journalists, musicians, comedians and activists were also targeted. There is currently no indication of who was behind the attack, but the hacker or hackers leaked information for more than a month on Twitter before the media picked it up.

The scale of the hack was first reported by RBB, leading Justice Minister Katarina Barley to call it a "serious attack" Friday morning. "The people behind this want to damage confidence in our democracy and institutions," Barley said. The federal office for information security (BSI) said Friday it was investigating, adding that government networks had not been affected.

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Hundreds of German Lawmakers Targeted in Mass Cyber Attack

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  • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Friday January 04, 2019 @10:55AM (#57904118) Homepage Journal

    Seems like a rather big clue that they went after everyone exact the far-right AFD. If it wasn't an AFD member/supporter it must be someone supporting the far right.

    That alone means it's probably going to backfire. Any revelations that emerge from this will probably be overshadowed by the investigation, which is bound to pull in prominent AFD members and politicians.

    Can anyone comment on the timing too? Seems a bit random, is there something happening I'm not aware of?

    • That might just be Vice's added spin on it. Does that party even have a significant amount of politicians?
      • by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Friday January 04, 2019 @11:13AM (#57904254)
        According to Wikipedia [wikipedia.org], they're the third largest party and hold approximately 1/7 of the seats in the federal parliament.

        It seems unlikely that they would be missed by chance. Now the question becomes a matter of why they were likely excluded. It certainly could be that the hackers are sympathetic with that party, or it could be that whoever did the hacking wants to stir up even more shit be leaving an obvious group out of the leaks. If it were an outside antagonist like Russians (they're always at least a suspect) they'd probably want to create the largest amount of chaos. Weakening your opponent is good, but stirring the various factions up against each other and letting your opponents tear themselves apart from in-fighting is far more effective.
        • by twms2h ( 473383 ) on Friday January 04, 2019 @01:01PM (#57904952) Homepage

          The AFD is a rather recent phenomenon. It's possible that their data isn't included beause the actual leak is so old that there simply wasn't anything available about them from that source.

          • by mvdwege ( 243851 )
            We can what-if and yeah-but all day long, but Occam's Razor suggests very strongly that it is a neo-Nazi hack (and yes, I refuse to use euphemisms like alt-right for fuckers like AfD).
            • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

              Yes. How dare people want their own sovereignty, and a government to listen to it's people. Instead of a gigantic bureaucracy that churns away, invents rules, and demands people follow them. Especially when all of the existing political parties in power all fall into the same scope of actions and desires. And when things start going against them, the first response is "nazis" because hearing the same bullshit going back to the 1960's really makes them look like they're insane, and not you.

              • by mvdwege ( 243851 )

                Oh fuck off. The AfD has been caught multiple times singing the praises of the Nazis. They're neo-Nazis. And you are an apologist for them. At best.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          My money goes on a conspiracy theorist who believes the old far right favourite about everyone else being a far left / Jewish conspiracy. Politicians, the "mainstream media", basically anyone who isn't with them.

          The think that if they can just expose it people will wake up and realise they are being lied to, and the revolution will begin. Hence leaks are their favourite tool.

          • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

            My money goes on a conspiracy theorist who believes the old far right favourite about everyone else being a far left / Jewish conspiracy.

            Then why are there so many people on the far left promoting the same conspiracy theory? I mean you've got a political party in the UK that has a massive antisemitism scandal still going on, and you have far-left democrats promoting the same thing. And there are far-left liberals, NDP, and Green party members promoting the same thing in Canada. And I haven't even started on the variety of leftwing politics in Sweden and Norway right now, which are echos of the same thing.

            Politicians, the "mainstream media", basically anyone who isn't with them.

            What's the trust of media these da

            • Dude, you are so far right (supporting actual neo nazis) that everything else appears far left to you.

    • could it be that of all people the right takes security more seriously than the pie-in-the-sky people ? Just an idea....
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by SirSlud ( 67381 )

        that should have felt as dumb to type as it was to read

      • by fazig ( 2909523 )
        They've been the target of cyber attacks in the past. The prominent ones among the AfD also uses twitter extensively.

        It's very doubtful that their own actions prevented them from having their informations leaked.
      • could it be that of all people the right takes security more seriously than the pie-in-the-sky people ? Just an idea....

        I very highly doubt the AfD has better computer security than anyone else, unless they've gone completely off line and are using carrier pigeons to pass notes written in invisible ink using some ancient Masonic code. Or the more likely scenario, the hackers are seeking to hurt one political party and assist another one in support their own external agenda, such as weakening Germany's involvement in the EU and in NATO.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        They suck just as badly. A couple of years ago there was a criminal investigation stemming from leaked WhatsApp groups. Yeah, Facebook owned WhatsApp.

    • You'll have to look at both capability and intent when assessing who may be behind something like this...
      - German AfD sympathizers or right wing extremists might have the intent, but it's doubtful that they have the capability for a mass hack / large spearphishing operations.
      - Western intel organisations have the capability, but probably not the intent to stir up shit in western countries.
      - Russian intel services have both the capability and the intent, as well as an established history of hacking, shit-
    • Happened on 1/4, reference to the white supremacists' "14 words?"

    • Seems like a rather big clue that they went after everyone exact the far-right AFD. If it wasn't an AFD member/supporter it must be someone supporting the far right.

      Trust no one.

      Something "so obvious" may be just what you are supposed to think.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      You can just as easily say that this way too obvious and that this is a rather big cue that someone is framing the AFD.
      Or that the AFD knows this too, and they are counting on everyone knowing this. Infinite conspiracy turtles all the way down...

      But the German news mentions outlook and the parliament without getting into specifics, and the AFD is not in parliament that long, and this looks like a project that would have taken some time to accomplish.

    • by twms2h ( 473383 )

      The AFD is a rather recent phenomenon. It's possible that their data isn't included beause the actual leak is so old that there simply wasn't anything available about them from that source.

      (Yes, I know I already posted that, but it was in replay to a different comment.)

    • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

      It must be? So, when team Obama was illegally wiretapping EU leaders it was because it must have been the far right? Or was that republicans? Try thinking critically for once in your life, or download the data and look for yourself. Well you are in the UK, so that's probably illegal anyway for you. There's a lot of people who'd want dirt on the government exposed, everyone from GTFO out of the EU to AFD to people in the UK pissed over Germany's attempts to run the EU like the next reich.

      Can anyone comment on the timing too? Seems a bit random, is there something happening I'm not aware of?

      You mean besides

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        So, when team Obama was illegally wiretapping EU leaders it was because it must have been the far right?

        Come on buddy, you can do better than a complete non-sequitur into an Obama attack.

    • My advice: don't listen when the media adds the "far right" qualifier when talking about any group. It may or may not be true, but is highly subjective and I've seen it regularly used for groups whose views are most certainly not far right. It is a term used consistently to try and discredit someone's opinion before it is ever debated. The most common way (and applied to AfD as well) is that anyone opposed to any type of immigration is labelled as far-right.
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    • Seems like a rather big clue that they went after everyone exact the far-right AFD.

      OMG False flag operation. It wasn't us! It's just like in America we're being victimised. They probably hacked themselves.
      https://www.washingtonexaminer... [washingtonexaminer.com]

  • by jfdavis668 ( 1414919 ) on Friday January 04, 2019 @11:21AM (#57904324)
    No mention of the system hacked. So how do they know they got data on some parties and not others? What system has all that data on all those people?
    • by ( 4475953 )

      It was the result of meticulous collection from various sources, not of hacking one system.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    The home addresses of traitors and their support network.

  • ... in 2016, at about the time the data was stolen: https://www.theregister.co.uk/... [theregister.co.uk]

    She should not complain now that her wish was granted, and Big Data business is being made with her data.

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