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Facebook Has Asked Large US Banks To Share Detailed Financial Information About Customers as it Seeks To Boost User Engagement [Update] (wsj.com) 180

Facebook wants your financial data. The social media giant has asked large U.S. banks to share detailed financial information about their customers, including card transactions and checking account balances, as part of an effort to offer new services to users, The Wall Street Journal reported Monday. From the report: Facebook increasingly wants to be a platform where people buy and sell goods and services, besides connecting with friends. The company over the past year asked JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo & Co., Citigroup and U.S. Bancorp USB to discuss potential offerings it could host for bank customers on Facebook Messenger, said people familiar with the matter. Facebook has talked about a feature that would show its users their checking-account balances, the people said. It has also pitched fraud alerts, some of the people said. Data privacy is a sticking point in the banks' conversations with Facebook, according to people familiar with the matter. The talks are taking place as Facebook faces several investigations over its ties to political analytics firm Cambridge Analytica, which accessed data on as many 87 million Facebook users without their consent. Update: Shares of Facebook surged nearly 3% following the report. A paywall free, alternative source of this story.
Update 2 (18:10 GMT): Talking to TechCrunch, Facebook has, in part, denied WSJ's report. TechCrunch: Facebook spokesperson Elisabeth Diana tells TechCrunch it's not asking for credit card transaction data from banks and it's not interested in building a dedicated banking feature where you could interact with your accounts. It also says its work with banks isn't to gather data to power ad targeting, or even personalize content such as what Marketplace products you see based on what you buy elsewhere.
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  • I'm sure there are legacy bits of my long deactivated Facebook account, how can I completely and utterly remove any trace of my existence from their servers?
    • Good question. I "deleted" my account about 4 years ago, but I wouldn't be surprised if all my data is still lurking on their system somewhere.

      • by tsa ( 15680 )

        You can be sure that they are still collecting data about you. FB, like Google is impossible to avoid.

        • by Thud457 ( 234763 ) on Monday August 06, 2018 @11:04AM (#57078378) Homepage Journal
          "I've got a great idea guys, the Stasi, but on the internet!"
        • Everybody has the wrong idea and Facebook is doing it wrong.

          Hear me out. From what I read it looks like their looking for a better way to integrate Facebook messenger with the bank's customer service. They have explicitly said that this is not a part of the main facebook and that they will not share that data with 3rd parties. I don't believe that any more then I believe any of those banks have customer service but this has turned into a, "Facebook bad!" mob.

          I'm more concerned about Amazon or Google getting

          • by zlives ( 2009072 )

            the real question is about trust... do you trust FB? if so, there is nothing to see here, move along citizen.

          • What does doing my banking through FB give me that the bank's website or app doesn't already give me?
            • What does doing my banking through FB give me that the bank's website or app doesn't already give me?

              More exposure to hacking and data breaches?

          • by dryeo ( 100693 )

            To quote the summary,

            Facebook increasingly wants to be a platform where people buy and sell goods and services, besides connecting with friends.

            Which sounds to me that Facebook hopes to compete with Google and Amazon in being a market.
            I wouldn't any of the three.

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          • Not only does US Bank have customer service, but I get excellent service at the branch, I can also do most of those things through the website, and there is also a phone number that I can call for service.

            The banks listed have a wide range of customer satisfaction levels, including the best and worst. Interestingly, they all said "No" to this idea.

            For business users, they bought of the biggest US payment processors, after that payment processor bought out one of the big CC terminal manufacturers, so you can

          • by Chas ( 5144 ) on Monday August 06, 2018 @06:33PM (#57081502) Homepage Journal

            Nobody BUT MY BANK should have MY BANKING INFO.

            PERIOD!

      • Everyone is funneling what you look at into a shared DB based on your IP address. It has nothing to do with where you are logged in or not. Amazon or Google or whoever.

        There is AI to monitor switched addresses and multiple devices, but it all goes to the same analysis. These sites then sign up with one of the big companies and feed tailored ads to you

        Even porn sites. Especially porn sites. Gay, horses, Barely Legal.

        If, like South Park prognosticated, this giant db was ever leaked...

      • As someone said here earlier, it is better to give FB bad data than to delete the account with good data.

  • by Joe_Dragon ( 2206452 ) on Monday August 06, 2018 @10:48AM (#57078262)

    Seems like a good way for fraud to happen or for debt collectors to bully your Facebook friends.

    • They can already bother your friends, most user profiles have that info publicly accessible. This is about Facebook getting access to the banks, not the other way around.
    • by cjmnews ( 672731 )

      It seems that the elderly that use Facebook Messenger on their PCs are getting their Facebook accounts hijacked at a pretty good clip.
      Having banking information assigned to their Facebook account sounds disastrous.

      Losing your Facebook account is not a huge deal, losing your bank account because of Facebook, especially when you are unlikely to know that the link is there being a retiree, could be the worst case scenario.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      First response when I read this was:

      Americans, are you sure you don't want GDPR like protections for your data?

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Facebook probably never dared dreaming about getting data from banks until the EU started the madness:

        "EU lawmakers hope that the introduction of the revised Payment Services Directive (PSD2) will give non-banking firms the chance to compete with banks in the payments business and give consumers more choice over financial products and services."

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    • Years ago, my wife and I were friends with someone - I'll call her C. After C's wedding and the birth of our first child, C and my wife had a falling out and didn't speak to each other again. We heard from some mutual friends that she moved out of the area, but that was it. Years passed and we get a call out of the blue from a collections agency asking us where C was because she owed them some money. We told them that we hadn't spoken to C in years, but they kept calling back. Eventually, they got the point

  • but I guess we all know it comes down to how much money Facebook is paying them to sell out their customers.

    But then I do not use Facebook since it provides nothing of value beyond private family contact points.
    Maybe someday the masses will figure out they do not need Facebook, one can always hope ;)
    Just my 2 cents ;)
  • by Muckluck ( 759718 ) on Monday August 06, 2018 @10:50AM (#57078290)
    Silly fees for not using my accounts enough (really, silly fees, in general) and giving away or inappropriately using my transaction data are the two top reasons I will leave a bank. Data privacy for financial institutions is critical for continued trust in that industry.
    • One would expect the banks to have told FB to go to so much hell. However, don't count on it

      There are new EU rules forcing banks to share customers' financial data with 3rd parties if said customer asks for it. For instance, to give your accountant access to your data so they can process everything automatically without your involvement. Which is great... except that while banks were pissed of about having to enable 3rd parties to offer financial services this way, they weren't above freely interpretin
  • Well ... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by DaMattster ( 977781 )
    This makes me even happier that I ditched Facebook 9 months ago never to return. There is no way those fuckers are going to get their hands on my financial data. Fuck Zuckerberg and fuck Facebook!
    • Re:Well ... (Score:4, Funny)

      by Sebby ( 238625 ) on Monday August 06, 2018 @11:07AM (#57078414)

      This makes me even happier that I ditched Facebook 9 months ago never to return.

      Only 9 months ago? Pfttt! I quit Facebook well before it was the 'cool' thing to do.

      • This makes me even happier that I ditched Facebook 9 months ago never to return.

        Only 9 months ago? Pfttt! I quit Facebook well before it was the 'cool' thing to do.

        I never joined. Saw it for what it was right from the start. Samething with Twitter and all the rest of "Social Media".

      • >"Only 9 months ago? Pfttt! I quit Facebook well before it was the 'cool' thing to do."

        Bah.... I knew it was a disaster from before you quit it. I have NEVER had a Facebook account, and plan to keep it that way. :)

    • Re:Well ... (Score:4, Interesting)

      by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Monday August 06, 2018 @11:15AM (#57078464) Homepage Journal
      What are you talking about? You can't just "ditch" facebook. They just disable your login. Your profile and data is still there, and more is linked to it every day.
    • by Hentes ( 2461350 )

      If your bank is monetizing your financial data whether Facebook is one of the buyers or not makes little difference.

    • There is no way those fuckers are going to get their hands on my financial data.

      hahahaha you think by not using Facebook they don't have your data. That's cute.

  • by Fly Swatter ( 30498 ) on Monday August 06, 2018 @10:53AM (#57078302) Homepage
    So I can be sure to take my business elsewhere.
    • by Rob Riggs ( 6418 )

      Don't worry. It will only affect the little people. JPM would not risk losing a Chase Private Client(tm) customer over this.

      You're not "little people", are you?

    • Need public list of banks willing to cooperate.

      All of them.

      So I can be sure to take my business elsewhere.

      Good luck with that.

    • by zlives ( 2009072 )

      or instead of the symptoms... you could just cure the disease by leaving FB.

  • by tsa ( 15680 )

    I keep being amazed about Facebook. They are under the magnifying glass because of all their privacy issues but they just keep on as if nothing is the matter. Of course they know that the American gouvernment won't touch them, but if I were them I would keep quiet for a while, just to make it seem that I cared about the allegations thrown at me.

    • Of course they know the American government won't touch them. Facebook has access to all their private posts, friend lists, all their friends' posts, etc etc. The "accidental" data leaks are just waiting to happen as soon as anyone in government actually gets serious.
    • This story is about something they did last year, not something that happened after the media interest started.

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    • by DogDude ( 805747 )
      I keep being amazed by people that use Facebook.
  • This Idea Stinks (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DERoss ( 1919496 ) on Monday August 06, 2018 @10:57AM (#57078328)

    Several years ago, I discovered that Facebook cookies were being set on my PC whenever I logged-in to my accounts at the credit unions (2) and bank (1) where I have accounts. I was surprised since I do not have a Facebook account and do not want one.

    I then found that practice was contrary to the published privacy policies of all three financial institutions. I sent postal letters to all three. Two of them changed their Web site such that no Facebook cookies were being set.

    After a repeated letter to the third institution resulted in no correction in 6 months, I wrote to the institution's federal regulatory agency requesting an enforcement action to make the institution comply with their own privacy policy. Now, none of the three Web sites set Facebook cookies.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      DERoss,

      Thank you for this public service. Much appreciated.

      I mean this sincerely. Thanks!

    • Several years ago, I discovered that Facebook cookies were being set on my PC whenever I logged-in to my accounts at the credit unions (2) and bank (1) where I have accounts..

      Everyone should have 3rd party cookies disallowed in all of their browsers.

      • I have 3rd party cookies turned off, I have no Facebook account, and just now I found out I had some Facebook cookies stored.

  • They are looking at China with great envy, where people have one app open all the time, so every breath the people take can be monitored. This is what facebook is for, remember?
  • Is there an alternate source?
  • by Sebby ( 238625 ) on Monday August 06, 2018 @11:05AM (#57078386)
    ..."Privacy Rapists" - seems more accurate as the days go by.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      ..."Privacy Rapists" - seems more accurate as the days go by.

      Even that fails to accurately capture how bad Facebook is.

      The most vile, despicable rapists in history have only been able to rape one victim at a time.

  • by BlueStrat ( 756137 ) on Monday August 06, 2018 @11:07AM (#57078402)

    How the hell is it even remotely legal for banks to "share" that sort of very personal and private data with anyone outside government regulatory and law enforcement agencies, especially without your express written permission? What the actual fuck!?!?

    [HeavyRussianAccent]

    "Hello, yes, I from Facebook am, please to give me all your transaction data."

    [/HeavyRussianAccent]

    Strat

    • You are kidding, right? What do you think financial institutions do with your data?
    • by swb ( 14022 )

      It's all buried in that 73 page privacy addendum they mailed you. By not cancelling your accounts (including paying off any loans held in full), you agree to the change in privacy terms.

      You may also opt out if you reply in writing within 72 business hours. All replies must be on 8.12" x 11.73" paper, in a type size between 11.1 and 11.9 points and notarized.

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  • This looks bad for everyone except Facebook.
    • by DarkOx ( 621550 )

      The banks make money on every transaction - well if they are also the card issuers anyway - they usually are. Why do think the industry is always talking about a cashless society. Retailers lover it. Take a way the pain people feel counting out cash which they can intrinsically see dwindle in quantity and replace it with waiving this unchanging plastic card around. Card issuers love it - less cash more transactions; so they can now profit even on those little $2 purchases. Sure %2 of $2 isnt much but m

  • by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Monday August 06, 2018 @11:17AM (#57078478)
    Real benefit for FB -- they will be able to reliably tie accounts to a real identity. Fecebook will off-load their ID verification onto banks by tying accounts to a bank account/routing number and verifying via two ACH deposits/withdrawls of random quantity (same as PayPal does). This is of course not a benefit for their customers, but it benefits Zuck&Co in being able to track and throw ads at real people more reliably.
  • Yet another reason to get off Facebucket.

    Only reason is use it is to find out what is happening in my son's life (I'm too old and stupid to talk to, although I'm good enough to subsidize his Masters)
    Not that he seems to use it all that much. Where those 5673 friends came from I have no idea...
    [I have lots of acquaintances vague and otherwise, but only half-a-dozen friends.]

    Oh for the old BBS...

    Mac

  • I mean, that's how WeChat does it. There's no escaping the fact that a seamless, integrated all-in-one platform is the unavoidable present (not the future).

    As long as we're given an opt-in for such integration. Because if we're not, I am pretty sure millions will cancel their accounts and be OUT in a microsecond... (myself among them).
  • What protection would one have if buried in a bank's 100,000 word terms of service document it was required to let Facebook have your financial records whether you had a FB account or not? Don't agree to these terms, sorry, no bank account for you or your checking account is closed. Disaster will happen.
  • No, No, No. Nope, nope, no no no no no! NO! No.
    • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

      No, No, No. Nope, nope, no no no no no! NO! No.

      That's a duodecuple (12) negative, so yes?

  • by fallen1 ( 230220 ) on Monday August 06, 2018 @12:00PM (#57078812) Homepage

    but FUCK NO. Any bank that allows or sells access to any portion of my banking accounts should get sued into oblivion. The only people that need my account balance are the bank and myself.

    Anyone else is a violation of privacy and, I believe, several Federal banking regulations as well. If I need to prove my banking information (say, mortgage or other large loan), then sure -- but only because _I_ approved the bank to share that information. Under no other circumstance should any of my bank balances be shared with anyone.

    Holy fuck, I think we need a reset in this country and "the people" need to take back control -- not the corporations.

  • by Koreantoast ( 527520 ) on Monday August 06, 2018 @12:01PM (#57078822)
    It's clear what Facebook is doing: they're trying to establish themselves as the Tencent WeChat of the United States, the one-stop portal [a16z.com] that messaging, mobile commerce, electronic payments, and just about everything else runs through. However, they won't be able to pull it off in the United States for several reasons. One is that in China, the banking infrastructure is weaker, so before they had a chance to step-in, WeChat basically established themselves as the gatekeeper. In the United States at least, banks have already seen what happened with credit cards (MC/Visa monopoly) and are trying to prevent that from happening again with electronic payments. They'll talk, but they're certainly not going to hand this over to a company like Facebook.

    Stepping back, this of course was all pre-Facebook data scandals. Now, with general public trust in Facebook weakening, people are probably going to be even less inclined to support a Facebook-based system.
  • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

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  • Facebook has talked about a feature that would show its users their checking-account balances ...

    If you need to check your checking-account balance on Facebook, on your cellphone, or before a purchase, like in those mobile-banking commercials, then you're managing your personal finances wrong. And, why in hell would anyone want Facebook to know their bank balances, etc...?

  • From the TechCrunch article, "...That chatbot integration, which has no humans on the other end to limit privacy risks,..."

    .
    That statement is a total non-sequitur for me. Indeed, not having humans involved means that data can be slurped up all the more quickly.

  • "We’re not using this information beyond enabling these types of experiences – not for advertising or anything else."

    For now... note the present tense in this denial; they are not committing to never do it in the future.

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