Sweden Considers Six Years in Jail For Online Pirates (torrentfreak.com) 194
Sweden's Minister for Justice has received recommendations as to how the country should punish online pirates. From a report: Helene Fritzon received a proposal which would create crimes of gross infringement under both copyright and trademark law, leading to sentences of up to six years in prison. The changes would also ensure that non-physical property, such as domain names, can be seized.
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Exaxctly. And rapists in Sweden get 2-4 years. Again politicians are bribed by the movie/music industry.
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Exaxctly. And rapists in Sweden get 2-4 years. Again politicians are bribed by the movie/music industry.
Which is a pretty severe, many of these rapists are new immigrants unaccustomed to Swedish legal and cultural norms and most importantly sexual emergencies are a very real thing and traumatic thing for these newcomers.
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Obviously Sweden will make an exception for sexual emergencies. They're not barbarians.
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Exaxctly. And rapists in Sweden get 2-4 years. Again politicians are bribed by the movie/music industry.
Which is a pretty severe, many of these rapists are new immigrants unaccustomed to Swedish legal and cultural norms and most importantly sexual emergencies are a very real thing and traumatic thing for these newcomers.
The legal and cultural norms not to rape people? And what the fuck is a sexual emergency?
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A sexual emergency is the defence for raping children.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new... [dailymail.co.uk]
Note that despite losing the retrial (see http://www.independent.co.uk/n... [independent.co.uk] ) it's still relevant because his conviction was overturned on the grounds his sexual emergency outweighed the right of a 10 year old to not be fucked by an adult.
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If women walk around with their heads uncovered, it's an invitation to rape them. Remember the Arab Spring and Tarhir Square in Egypt? On the night that Hosni Mubarak stepped down, CBS Reporter Lara Logan was gang-raped by men who were too turned on by her bare head.She wasn't wearing a headscarf, so she was asking for it. Do we not remember this? It was huge, huge news.
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Sweden is just worried about the widening imprisoned-to-unimprisoned ratio gap between itself and the US. By throwing every pirate in jail for 6 years, Sweden will soon be able to imprison, what, some 90% of its population into the slammer. Take that, United States!
Forget the music/movie industry; has anyone checked to see if this woman has connections to the prison industry (Sweden doesn't have privatized prisons but ultimately some businesses have to be involved with the construction and supply of the jai
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Sweden sure does hate freedom.
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Re:And how much.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Hi! I'm happy to see that you're finally (re?)joining the internet, AC! It's been a busy few decades, and a lot has changed since you left!
One of the things that has changed is the creation of automated copyright claims, which have a known tendency to result in false (and occasionally outright absurd) claims, and IP trolling has risen!
We've had, since you left, people making copyright claims on original material, degrading what could possibly be counted as fair use, and recorded cases of people making copyright claims against themselves. Proving that you are in fact making fair use, or otherwise not infringing on somebody else's IP, is now a rather expensive prospect. The longstanding laws that actually do cover misrepresenting yourself as the owner of a piece of IP to the court, or demanding payment in return for not being sued (which can bankrupt you to win in some countries) are not enforced. Oh, yeah, and some countries, all you really need to do is be able to afford to keep it going the longest, because the other guy just needs to stop being able to afford to defend himself.
I am not inclined to bet that a law like this would be drafted to improve the situation, or even keep it from getting worse by having the basic sense to clearly define 'gross infringement.' (I would suggest having part of the requirement be 'make $ off of.') Toss in some penalties for anybody misrepresenting themselves as the owner of IP, and for creating honeypots--yes, there's one case of somebody who was the representative of a piece of IP using a pseudonym to stick it on bittorrent and then go after people who got copies of the IP that way. (Last I checked, the courts had decided that it don't matter if the account name is PirateKing, if you put your stuff or your client's stuff up yourself, the copies gotten that way are in fact legal copies.)
Re: And how much.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Or TLDR.
Sweden is full of corrupt politicians lining their own pockets with media company money too.
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If only Russia hadn't installed him, we would have Hillary, and things would be A-OK.
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It doesn't happen.
Happened to Mitch Martinez [slashdot.org]
IIRC it also happened to Bjorn Lynne.
Both of those where discovered because the victim was the author that had the rights to the work.
Most of the false claims are given to people who uses work that are in the public domain or under a permissive license.
Not being the author they might believe that they were mistaken and stops using the work.
Those cases doesn't raise headlines so you won't hear about them.
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It doesn't happen.
It does happen. Even some guy recording birds in the woods got a takedown notice.
Rights owner X gave the rights to Y who than sublicensed to party Z.
Rights owner X sees Z's name on a product instead of Y, and promptly goes after Z instead.
If x gave the rights to y, then x can go fuck itself.
Better idea (Score:5, Insightful)
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Indenture would be the best solution for civil offenses.
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As someone that considers indenture slavery, and retains the right to use lethal force to escape slavery, your 'best solution' would lead to people dying.
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Did you not read the article and I quote "Today there is organized online piracy that has major consequences for the whole community", now for that crime, I mean major consequences for the whole community, perhaps the pirates are raiding towns and mass raping women as well, I mean to say they are claiming it has major consequences for the whole community. What other crimes have major consequences for the whole community, seriously 'MAJOR CONSEQUENCES FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY' you just have to capitalise that
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So which continent did the actual, literal Nazis come from again? Europeans aren't leftists, they're spineless pussies who will bend over for anyone who stands up straight and raises his voice. That they're currently bending over for Marxist fuckwits is mostly a matter of circumstance.
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For a first time offender with murder you can get away with 6 years.
cue war on drugs (Score:3)
Send in a non-violent offender, get back a hardened criminal six years later.
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Finally they can get some white people into the prisons. Good for equality.
Wrong kind of equality.
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Theft is a criminal offense.
It is and that's why it has a whole bunch of laws about it. This is about copyright infringement (piracy) though which is a different thing hence why it has a different name and different set of laws.
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Posts like yours are always fun to read.. you take something, twist it to suit your needs and then state your view.
you are correct, theft is a criminal offense.. Legally Theft is defined as :"Theft, in law, a general term covering a variety of specific types of stealing, including the crimes of larceny, robbery, and burglary. Theft is defined as the physical removal of an object that is capable of being stolen without the consent of the owner and with the intention of depriving the owner of it permanently."
Re: Better idea (Score:2)
#bullshit
What a s*hole country (Score:1)
In neighboring Norway you can get less time in prison for first degree murder.
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Here to:
https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]
Afghan man got 1 year and 10 months for knife murder.
Because he "was 15" when he killed.
The idiots who believed he was 15 I guess we should have a capital punishment for to save our people from their stupid genes and ideas.
Nothing better to do with their time (Score:1)
Pirate Party (Score:3, Interesting)
Why do I think this is mostly aimed at stopping the Pirate party. Life in prison in Sweden is 10 year, And proposed for piracy is 6? That sounds pretty political.
Also, It's not like Sweden would use politics, for let's say, to go after a person so they could try to extradite him to the US for leaking documents. /s
Re:Pirate Party (Score:5, Informative)
Life-time in prison in Sweden is a prison sentence until further notice.
After 10 years in prison for a life-sentence you can ask to have them set a time for your punishment. _IF_ they decide on a time sentence instead if can become no shorter than 18 years. It's common practise in Sweden to let people get out conditionally after 2/3 of the time. On average people get a "24" year sentence in jail which mean that given the 2/3 sentence before conditionally release that they will stay in prison on average for 16 years.
Life in Sweden isn't 10 years. You can't just sit 10 years on a life-time prison sentence in Sweden. You can get it replaced with a time sentence after 10 years of time.
As for the pirate party it's very much dead and it sadly used to be all about piracy and hardly anything about freedom of speech and transparency and democracy which would be much more important and interesting. Then some homosexual (?) woman got into the leadership of the party and it become some ... at-least in part some sort of refugee possibly pride party. I guess one can't say the left stole the party because it always seemed to be about theft of intellectual party rather than something more interesting. I guess actual freedom of speech and freedom and democracy in general would be more of a right-wing thing whereas the left definition of "democracy" is rather socialist dictatorship / theocratical/ideological rule without the right and chance to change it.
I don't think Swedish politicians did it to get Assange. I however think they were perfectly fine keeping Assange stuck in his position and try to force him to come to Sweden no matter what the risk was for him because that's what the law said and if Sweden is good at anything it's usually to follow the terms ..
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"Trump is not my president" is literally Russian propaganda. They're trying to discredit our democracy and our way of life, and you're on their side.
Funny how when Obama was pres, everything was his fault and he wasn't above criticism for even the way he wiped his arse. Now Trump is in charge he's infallible and to even question his greatness is to throw your hat with the commie leftist whatever groups and be treasonous scum. The funniest part is Trump was a loud Obama criticizer and his presidency is mainly concerned with undoing everything he did because Obama took the piss one time and Trump couldn't handle it. Imagine if Obama tweeted that he was a
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Actually, we don't lock up rich people in America, ever.
Re: Pirate Party (Score:2)
Madoff was only tossed in the klink *after* he lost his money in the stock market. No longer rich = no longer above the law.
Re: Pirate Party (Score:3)
He is completely unqualified to be President.
You say that as if it's a bad thing.
Personally I think the best way to select a president would be to have a national lottery which randomly picks 5 names, and then let people vote between them. It would probably result in far less corruption than the current system.
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Re: Pirate Party (Score:2)
No, no - tell us how you *really* feel.
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But MUH SCIENCE!!!1!2!!1!!!!
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Re:Pirate Party (Score:4, Insightful)
Of couse it's impossible for someone to earnestly want to improve something - they must be "virtue signalling". Also, "antifa" is a movement and not a group. And a protest against racism is only against those in the right who are racist. If you feel they were attacking you, you might just be a racist.
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Re: Pirate Party (Score:2)
"If you feel they were attacking you, you might just be a racist."
If you're attacked by a violent, foaming at the mouth mob of hypocritical bigots, it might just be *your* fault.
That's a good one, Vlad. Keep up the good work and the troll factory might just give you a bonus.
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Whatever you want to call it.
The typical hippie bullshit.
It could be about freedom of speech, access to all information the government has access to, transparency, freedom for journalists and leakage, validy of elections, no patents, making Sweden an information/Internet freedom harbour.
But no, instead the focus is on the right to steal whatever you want whatever information or transportation and providing nationally funded welfare for anyone who want to freeload of it.
The party is a fucking joke. It was al
Meanwhile Afghan men can murder for less than 2 yr (Score:5, Interesting)
Mean-while Afghan men can murder people in Sweden and get a punishment of less than 2 years of prison.
That's because among the adults of Afghans hardly anyone got the right of asylum so they lie and claim they are children. And while applying for asylum it's kinda ok to lie and the Migration office may believe them.
But then when they actually do kill someone else then it become up to the court to show that they are adults and good luck with that since you don't even know who the fuck they are in the first place.
And since Sweden don't have the same sentences for actual youth (and even less for people below 15 years old) as for adults they get a very low punishment.
https://petterssonsblogg.se/20... [petterssonsblogg.se]
"16" years now, supposedly "15" then.
So less than two years for knife murder.
Up to six years for breaking copyright.
Make sense. The idiots in charge and those who want to keep all the afghans for instance claim we must have rule of law as far as immigration and peopleÂs behavior in response to criminality goes. But it's of course only valid when it benefit the invaders and destroy the life of Swedes. But the system definitely isn't fair or just and we don't have equality against the law in Sweden because the immigrants can do whatever the fuck they want since they can just claim to not be responsibility because they are children whereas actual Swedes can't even if they behaved like the filth coming here which by itself would be very unlikely. So far.
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I agree. The system in Sweden is idiotic. It needs to quickly close this loophole, and especially since it takes several weeks to get the medical results back on determining one's age, Sweden needs to promptly fly back anyone who lied about their age directly to their home country (to at least make an example of them).
That being said, I'm not sure if this blog you linked to is true. And if true, I'm not too concerned about Ahmad only doing two years. He only killed another guy who had previously raped him (
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Yes. In extreme cases, maybe some women and children can temporarily stay in specific areas. Full grown men with beards that are pretending to be children should be sent back and that's currently the vast majority of the "refugees." They most definitely should not be given even more benefits than people that have been contributing to the Swedish system for their entire lives.
Re:Meanwhile Afghan men can murder for less than 2 (Score:5, Informative)
The thing is that there are different kinds of bad situations.
People who are actually running away from war and fear of death? Sure, give them a helping hand.
People who walk all the way up through Europe to get to the country with the best financial benefits available? Send them back where they came from. You do NOT call yourself a refugee after crossing through a handful of peaceful European countries just to get to where you wanted to go.
Sweden, unfortunately, is paralyzed with political correctness. Police officers that finally speak up about crime rates inflating out of control in muslim-heavy parts of the country are fired for subverting the public's faith in the authorities.
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re:Meanwhile Afghan men can murder for less than 2 (Score:5, Informative)
Sweden agreed to take people from other EU countries, as part of an EU plan to lessen the burden on those countries that are geographically close to the problem by distributing the refugees.
If the EU didn't try to do this then the frontier countries would just hand those people visas and tell them to leave for other EU countries anyway, and it would be chaotic and create huge problems. It's not been perfect but it's been far better than it would have been if they had done nothing.
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Stop using knowledge and logic, its not allowed. I can sell you 3 cans of mouth foam for the price of 2.
Re:Meanwhile Afghan men can murder for less than 2 (Score:4, Insightful)
It's also paralysed by people not understanding the rules and getting angry about things they don't understand. You seem to be such a person.
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So, someone from Syria who is demonstrably fleeing death and war, showing up in the UK should be sent back, because they happened to show up in the UK?
In the Netherlands the refugee procedures were often years long; this wasn't due to the refugees prolonging the procedure, it was due to the lawyers handling the application were paid per refugee, per month. So prolonging the procedure, meant more $$ for the lawyer handling the procedure. In some exceptional cases refugees were in limbo for 12 years. Unable t
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As a Syrian refugee in Sweden pointed out Greece cannot even take care of their own people let alone refugees and there is no work.
The Syrian refugee who says: 'Don't come to Sweden... or think carefully about it' - BBC Trending [youtube.com]
That title is a bit tongue-in-cheek but he does say Syrians have unrealistic expectations of Sweden. Not that he's complaining.
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And my point is that the 'refugee' descriptor has been muddied a lot in the last few years, with migrants, immigrants, refugees, anyone-not-natively-from-this-country being a 'refugee' (and 17 years old always, WTF happened 18 years ago to cause this baby boom?!) because of the legal protections that status grants.
The very first step to solving this problem is to clean up the definitions between refugees, migrants, immigrants, opportunists, etc.
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You know those "you have to be this tall to get on the ride" signs at amusement parks? I do it like that. We might let in a few manlets but they're relatively harmless and would eventually be weeded out by their crippling insecurity.
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Do you seriously think turning away all refugees would benefit more humans than it would harm?
Long term - quite possibly. Depending how well the refugee population integrates, depending how well the existing residents sort out their own prejudices, depending how many more refugees get dumped in without any thought or planning.
It's entirely feasible that yes turning away all refugees could benefit more humans than it would harm. Europe is a big place after all, with quite a lot of people...
Or do only native born Europeans count?
Irrelevant dog whistle, but thanks for playing.
Worse than rape? (Score:1)
I was trying to find Swedish sentencing guidelines for rape. The maximum seems to be either 4 years or 10 years, with actual time served possibly as low as 16 months. I may be wrong, but it seems this recommendation for this non-physical crime makes it worse than rape in the eyes of the law.
Re: Worse than rape? (Score:1)
Rape isn't a crime unless it's legitimate rape, which doesn't result in pregnancy because the body has ways of shutting that down so why prosecute innocent victims for a few minutes of action which the alleged victim was more in control of the situation and older than their chronological age.
Re: Worse than rape? (Score:2, Informative)
It isn't rape if the victim doesn't say no, uncrosses their legs, or if there are more than 6 males present. Based on judge rulings and previous non convictions.
That teenager who did over 10 African men? Asking for it, obviously.
The girl who had her face smashed in after she went to the police? How dare she deny a black male his right
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Prison for record and film executives (Score:2)
Maybe we should punish the heads of corporations for minor civil violations like they seem to want to the proletariat.
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Maybe we should punish the heads of corporations for minor civil violations like they seem to want to the proletariat .
And nobody believes slashdot is affected by Russian trolls!
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other words you can use instead, if it makes you feel more comfortable: middle class, wage-earner, or blue collar.
You might want to crack open a book like Orwell's 1984, just to double check if we are moving towards tyranny. (ex: Prolefeed)
Seems harsh considering ... (Score:4, Interesting)
... the sentences imposed on pirates for similar crimes range from four years to life in prison. The average sentence globally is 16 years ...
It makes a lot of sense... (Score:5, Insightful)
Helene Fritzon received a proposal which would create crimes of gross infringement under both copyright and trademark law, leading to sentences of up to six years in prison.
You can get a lot of political contributions from copyright holders; hardly any from murderers.
~Loyal
More than 50% of a life sentence? (Score:1)
Considering life sentence in Sweden is 10 years, seems kind of disproportionate.
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Except it's not. After 10 years you can petition to have 'life' changed to 'X years' which, as I understand it, can never be less than a total of 16 or 18 years.
Sweden (Score:2)
Prison time and the risk of extradition? Who wants to risk Sweden digitally?
so I RTF proposition (in Swedish) (Score:5, Informative)
1. If you download something at home for "private use", the punishment will be fines and possibly UP TO MAXIMUM 2 years of prison.
2. If you start a business where you make money of pirating content, you may go to prison 6 month UP TO MAXIMUM 6 years.
Original proposition + google translate. https://translate.google.com/t... [google.com]
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Received from whom? (Score:2)
I have my suspicions as to the real origins of such "recommendations" and I am not thinking of the Swedish police or civil service,
Such ideas could ultimately have come from some criminal organisation that is legal in its home country of "not Sweden". That organisation is well known for theft of copyright itself. It only steals from the people who actually create music so feels that doesn't count.
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people can get away with less for rape.
Meanwhile, Sweden's feminist goverment... (Score:1)
is trying to bring into reality their deeply buried, unconscious and socially verbotten rape fantasies by pouring into their country millions of rapists hailing from the most rapey culture in human history.
Feminism is cancer.
Priorities... (Score:1)
Can't be arsed to deal with their refugee rapist problem though, can they?
Fair? (Score:2)
Kill Michael Jackson: Two years in jail
Copy his songs: Six years in jail
...and they all moved away from me (Score:2)
Criminal 2: Murder, you?
Criminal 1: Rape, what about you over there?
Criminal 3: I sent my friend a Taylor Swift song
What happened Igmar? (Score:2)
You used to be so enlightened.
Corruption! (Score:2)
Copyright Infringement is a victimless crime.
Example: A is copied and becomes A2.
Facts:
1) The owner of A still has A and A is the exactly the same as A before it was copied.
2) The owner of A may never know that A was copied. There is zero impact on A and its owner as a result of the copying.
The owner of A may claim that the person holding A2 would (with 100% certainty) have bought a legal copy of A if A2 wasn't available. This claim requires:
1) The holder of A2 would have legal access to buy A.
2) The holder
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What he did would not be considered rape in the US [wikipedia.org]. He committed a crime in Sweden that is considered a type of minor sexual molestation but literally translates to rape.
So many people open their fucking mouths when they are completely uninformed on the topic.
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The rape allegation isn't about non consensual condom removal. It's that he work someone up having sex with them without a condom when they had previously consented to sex only with a condom.
https://www.theguardian.com/me... [theguardian.com]
The following day, Miss W phoned Assange and arranged to meet him late in the evening, according to her statement. The pair went back to her flat in Enkoping, near Stockholm. Miss W told police that though they started to have sex, Assange had not wanted to wear a condom, and she had moved away because she had not wanted unprotected sex. Assange had then lost interest, she said, and fallen asleep. However, during the night, they had both woken up and had sex at least once when "he agreed unwillingly to use a condom".
Early the next morning, Miss W told police, she had gone to buy breakfast before getting back into bed and falling asleep beside Assange. She had awoken to find him having sex with her, she said, but when she asked whether he was wearing a condom he said no. "According to her statement, she said: 'You better not have HIV' and he answered: 'Of course not,' " but "she couldn't be bothered to tell him one more time because she had been going on about the condom all night. She had never had unprotected sex before."
The police record of the interview with Assange in Stockhom deals only with the complaint made by Miss A. However, Assange and his lawyers have repeatedly stressed that he denies any kind of wrongdoing in relation to Miss W.
In submissions to the Swedish courts, they have argued that Miss W took the initiative in contacting Assange, that on her own account she willingly engaged in sexual activity in a cinema and voluntarily took him to her flat where, she agrees, they had consensual sex. They say that she never indicated to Assange that she did not want to have sex with him. They also say that in a text message to a friend, she never suggested she had been raped and claimed only to have been "half asleep".
Police spoke to Miss W's ex-boyfriend, who told them that in two and a half years they had never had sex without a condom because it was "unthinkable" for her. Miss W told police she went to a chemist to buy a morning-after pill and also went to hospital to be tested for STDs. Police statements record her contacting Assange to ask him to get a test and his refusing on the grounds that he did not have the time.
Despite Assange's lawyers making 'a sophisticated argument' that this would not be rape in the UK, UK courts repeatedly ruled it was :
http://jackofkent.com/2012/06/... [jackofkent.com]
The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list is ticked for rape. The defence accepts that normally the ticking of a framework list offence box on an EAW would require very little analysis by the court. However they then developed a sophisticated argument that the conduct alleged here would not amount to rape in most European countries. However, what is alleged here is that Mr Assange "deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her by improperly exploiting that she, due to sleep, was in a helpless state". In this country that would amount to rape.
Which meant he could be extradited to Sweden. Once the Supreme Court ruled that and he'd run out of appeals he fled to
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Forget The Pirate Bay. We need a new torrent site: BLACK LGBT MUSLIM BAY. Untouchable. Unquestionable. That or JEW BAY.
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How about millions of dollars?
People used to complain a guy who stole a loaf of bread got a longer sentence than a white collar thief of $10 million.
Well how about a white collar thief who unlocked a door and let $10 million get looted, deliberately, and again and again?
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The studios would have us believe that every pirated copy of Time Cop constitutes a lost sale to the tune of the retail value of the physical DVD. At one point the movie and music industry tried
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Let's be clear: Making money running a torrent site is not an offense that should be responded to by armed men with guns dragging you off to a cage. That is a disproportionate response to the charge of copyright infringement regardless of the scale or motive.
An example of a proportional response would be voiding the copyrights (if any) held by anyone convicted of copyright infringement.
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Banditry or highway robbery on the information superhighway?
Thats top on the list of corruption on earth. Depending of the legal school that will replace Swedish law.
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"Sweden is what would happen if Tumblr was a country"
* En Arg Blatte Talar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]