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Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, and Google Lobby Against Texas 'Bathroom' Bill (arstechnica.com) 587

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Executives from some of the globe's leading technology firms are demanding that Texas not adopt "discriminatory" bathroom legislation. On the table in Texas is a law similar to one enacted -- and later partially repealed -- in North Carolina. The tech companies have aligned themselves with critics of the bill who believe the legislation is unfair to the transgender community. "As large employers in the state, we are gravely concerned that any such legislation would deeply tarnish Texas' reputation as open and friendly to businesses and families," the companies wrote Texas Gov. Greg Abbott. "Our ability to attract, recruit and retain top talent, encourage new business relocations, expansions and investment, and maintain our economic competitiveness would all be negatively affected." Pending Texas Senate legislation would prohibit transgender people in Texas from using restrooms matching their gender identities. The House on Sunday passed its own bill that would apply the bathroom limitations solely at schools. The tech companies, however, aren't threatening to pull out of Texas, like some did over the same issue in North Carolina. The letter sent to Gov. Abbott was signed by Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg, Apple CEO Tim Cook, Amazon chief Jeff Wilke, IBM head Ginni Rometty, Microsoft President Brad Smith, and Google's Sundar Pichai. There were 14 companies -- including Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Cisco, Silicon Labs, Celanese Corp., GSD&M, Salesforce, and Gearbox Software -- signing on to the letter. "Discrimination is wrong and it has no place in Texas or anywhere in our country," the companies wrote.
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Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, and Google Lobby Against Texas 'Bathroom' Bill

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    Yes, yes, let's have for-profit corporations serve special interests to undermine the actual public's will.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by mi ( 197448 )

      The corporations don't care either way, I'm sure. They are simply afraid of boycotts — and worse [pjmedia.com]. Because, when you are fighting for the rights of the delusional to persist in their delusions, all means are just and noble...

      Few companies' management have the testicles (sexist metaphore!) of the Chick-Fil-A's one — most are like Mozilla's...

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @09:33PM (#54514929)

    Seriously. Why is this an issue? The real issues involve transgender people being perceived as duplicitous and being treated as if they're perverted. The whole thing of asking if you'd like your child using the restroom with a transgender person who hasn't had the surgery yet is ridiculous. It portrays transgender people as perverts without regard that someone of the same gender of the child is just as likely to harm the child. It doesn't affect me if a transgender person is in a public restroom with me, rents from me, or is employed by me. Let them be, don't discriminate against them, and focus on the real issues. This might be surprising coming from a conservative like me, but let's worry about the economy and foreign policy, and let transgender people be.

    - snruter rotsac

    • It's an issue because people are trying to restrict usages. No one cared, until someone tried to take the transgender people's freedom away.

      • Which should tell us all that this was a carefully contrived controversy meant to anger people and bring them to the polls. Not to sound paranoid or anything...but seriously...it must have been deliberately engineered. Right? This just seems too stupid an issue otherwise.
        • by schnell ( 163007 ) <me@schnelBLUEl.net minus berry> on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @04:41AM (#54516267) Homepage

          It's an issue if you believe that the primary beneficiaries of such a rule are heterosexual males that will use this as an excuse to enter female bathrooms and use the law as an excuse.

          It's not an issue if you believe that the primary beneficiaries of such a rule are transgender men or women (pre or post surgery) who already identify themselves by dress and attitude and who want to go to the bathroom they think they belong in.

          Neither viewpoint is 100% right or wrong. There will be people who abuse the right to trans bathrooms, and others who use it as intended.

          Personally, I have two young daughters who I am of course immensely concerned about protecting from predators. Yet I believe that there are plenty of laws already in place protecting them from being filmed, approached sexually or otherwise that keep them safe. I'm in favor of trans bathroom protection because I'm willing to believe that the benefit to trans people is greater than the risk from hetero pervs. (Data may prove me wrong.)

          But it's wrong to think that this is a one-sided issue and that everyone who disagrees with me is just wrong. It's a valid concern. I disagree with the Texas/North Carolina measures. But I'm not willing to say that those who oppose trans bathroom rights are just awful people. I understand the instinct to protect one's children at all costs, even if this specific measure isn't borne out by my experience.

          Slashdotters in general pride themselves on being rational people, and I think they are (moreso than the general population). But empathy for opposing viewpoints is a rare skill, even among the highly intelligent. Maybe we can use this place as a model for trying to talk rationally about the pros and cons of both approaches? I have much higher expectations of seeing a well thought out argument on either side - couched in terms that could actually sway minds instead of just stoking flames - here than I would expect in the comments of the Washington Post or Fox News.

    • Because you can be hurt or killed in the men's room and have the police take you away or worse labeled a sex offender in states like Arkansas depending on their bathroom laws

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by dbIII ( 701233 )

      Seriously. Why is this an issue?

      Because people with nothing better to do have decided that people different to them must be punished.

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        Ah yes, that one. These people cause a significant amount of the pain and suffering in the world and do so without good reason. Not even greed, just because they have an issue with somebody else not being like them.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @10:21PM (#54515145)
      I tend to agree with you. This legislation is in reaction to the LGBQTBDSMLMNOPQRST...militant movement trying to force legislation that makes disliking in any way someone different a crime. Neither should be allowed. If I don't like rednecks I don't hang out with them and shouldn't be forced to accept their behavior. But I also don't go and try to get a law passed outlawing rednecks behavior.
    • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @10:53PM (#54515277)

      The real issues involve transgender people being perceived as duplicitous and being treated as if they're perverted.

      No, that's the reasoning among those who only consider the scenario which supports their ideological beliefs.

      If you consider all possible scenarios, you realize it's possible for a perverted heterosexual (presumably male, though it'd be sexist to assume so) to go into the bathroom of the opposite gender by pretending to be transgender.

      The resolution for the whole thing points to unisex bathrooms, with a separate partitioned area for urinals, and the stall walls extended to go from floor to ceiling so you can't peek over/under them. That would also settle the arguments about there needing to be more toilets allocated to women because they take more time so the lines are longer at womens' bathrooms. Though I suspect there will be pushback by businesses since walls extending to the floors will increase the amount of janitorial labor needed to clean multi-stall restrooms, and extending walls to the ceiling will require each stall to have its own vent.

      • If you consider all possible scenarios, you realize it's possible for a perverted heterosexual (presumably male, though it'd be sexist to assume so) to go into the bathroom of the opposite gender by pretending to be transgender.

        Man are you going to get a surprise when you realise it's possible for a normal man dressed as a man with all men bits to also go into a women's bathroom.

        And what are you hoping to achieve? Watched dressed women wash their hands and do their makeup? *HOT*. I'd masturbate to that but I'm sure masturbation in public is already on the banned list. Or maybe I want to look under a bathroom stall, though I'm sure a women dressed as a women with all the woman bits would also find herself afoul of a law if she did

    • The questionnaires have the field : Sex/gender?

      And this is part of the issue... not directly, but ironically.

      I as a man have been raised in a society where multiple times a day, every single day... wherever I may be, I or the the people around me make comments or have discussions or make jokes that define a person who is in possession of their very own penis makes use of it as a secondary brain that is occasionally dominant and able to preempt logical thought process.

      It is extremely clear to most people tha
    • The issue is that Bathrooms and Locker rooms are public places where we do private things. And unfortunately the mindset of a lot of people haven't evolved much from middle school thinking if it is private then it must be sexually arousing. While real life it is rather boring. Any Nudity would be brief, and if a transgender person would probably take steps to insure their differences in plumbing isn't flaunted or even shown for any gender restroom. The risk of assault or compromising with transgender isn'

  • If you can pass for the opposite sex you will never get called out on going into the wrong bathroom anyways.
    • by Billly Gates ( 198444 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @09:55PM (#54515013) Journal

      You can be hurt or killed in the men's room or thrown in jail if you use the ladies and even be registered as a sex offender in states like Arkansas if caught

      • Let's get real. If you look like a woman and you are in the woman's restroom doing nothing creepy then you won't have a problem. If a woman actually looked like a man, beard an all, and used the women's restroom they are far more likely to get the police called on them, but what is the police going to do, make you pull your pants down? You can easily sign up for a license by checking the female box so they can't find out that way.
  • by SensitiveMale ( 155605 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @09:42PM (#54514969)

    so they have no problem with gays being stoned to death apparently.

    • so they have no problem with gays being stoned to death apparently.

      Do you believe that if those companies had real power to affect change in those countries that they would not? The middle east is an entirely different culture with an entirely different set of values. Stop things where they can be stopped.

      • by SensitiveMale ( 155605 ) on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @01:14AM (#54515781)

        These companies have no problem supporting boycotts of state and companies trying to stop men from going into the bathroom with little girls, but they have no problem with Muhammed using facetime to broadcast a wall being pushed on Steve because Steve is gay.

        Apple, Paypal, Google, Amazon, and the rest have no problem making money in countries where gays are killed, little girls have their clitorises cut out, women are "honored killed" for talking to a random man, and women are raped as a matter of a daily schedule yet they have no problem taking money out of the hands that throw stones and acid.

        It is nothing but pure hypocrisy.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I used to go to a bar where a guy who had both a dick and tits was a customer every so often.

    To me the presence of this person was visually revolting. I was not in the least afraid of this person,
    however I go to a bar to enjoy myself and the presence of this person impinged on my ability
    to enjoy myself. So I quit going to the bar. This was no loss for me, because there are other bars
    where such freaks do not show up. Many people don't want to hang out with such weird shit, and if
    you doubt this then you need

    • You can like what you like, you can accept what you accept, but in the end your lack of maturity will limit how far you get in the real world. So either grow up, or stay home and fume prudishly while you imagine yourself surrounded only by sufficiently good looking people that fit your fucked up definition of "normal".
    • "I used to go to a bar where a black guy was a customer every so often. To me the presence of this person was visually revolting. I was not in the least afraid of this person, however I go to a bar to enjoy myself and the presence of this person impinged on my ability to enjoy myself. So I quit going to the bar."

      Damned minorities, ruining your bar by existing. It shouldn't be allowed.

  • The Texas legislature says the bathroom bill is about privacy . Aren't Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, and Google in favor of privacy????
    • by GuB-42 ( 2483988 )

      The Texas legislature says the bathroom bill is about privacy . Aren't Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, and Google in favor of privacy????

      Actually, yes.
      They don't want anyone but them to know about your secrets.

  • by iamacat ( 583406 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @10:08PM (#54515065)

    Forced group disrobement is obsolete because nobody can agree on what the groups should be. I have visited and participated in nude beaches, but group showers for men in a local community center frankly feel weird. Why should anyone watch me washing my junk? And for anyone with kids the preferable solution is to give them privacy from others of any gender.

    • by Nutria ( 679911 )

      Really? When I was in school (high school and college) men's communal shower rooms in dormitories and (US-style, not ancient Greek) gymnasia were de rigueur.

  • I'll tell you what this is:

    This is about an issue that quietly gets handled appropriately by the few people it actually involves, without much fuss or muss, in the individual environments of schools, office buildings, businesses, etc. And nobody cares that much, until one side decides to make it a big political battle, trying to relate it to some big symbolic issue that it in reality has very little to do with. Or when some dumb suburban parent with more volume than common sense thinks their kids or "va
  • The thing about the North Carolina bill was that the bathroom thing was just distraction - a clever way to get people talking about something trivial, while the real substance of the bill was about allowing for broader discriminatory practices. I'm not seeing that here. I've skimmed a few articles and as near as I can tell this one really does seem to be about bathrooms. Is that true?

    If there's a better article which discusses exactly what this bill covers, could someone direct me to it?
  • by Gizzmonic ( 412910 ) on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @11:35PM (#54515447) Homepage Journal

    As a Texan, I've been reading about this bill for almost a year now. Here's some context around it:

    1) Texas still has some of the most molester-friendly groping laws in the nation (anything short of penetration is a class C misdemeanor, you won't even go to jail for it). This bill does nothing to address it.

    2)The driving force behind the bill is revenge on the federal government for dictating that transgender students can use the restroom of their identified gender (a policy that is strongly supported by local school districts). That's why the bill only applies to government buildings (and a subset of those, at that!).

    3)The bill's author, Lt. Governor Dan Patrick (not the sportscaster) got his start as a bargain-bin Rush Limbaugh. He realizes that the "social conservatives" lost the fight against gays, and he's using this to target a smaller, even more vulnerable minority.

  • I see the people for and against open bathrooms just talking past each other, ignoring very real issues.

    There is a answer so simple it stuns correctnesss.... the answer is this. You have a penis optional room, and a vagina mandatory room.

    Now women who are concerned can feel safe, because they maintain the cherished separation of old.

    Meanwhile, men do not care WHO is in the bathroom, as long as they are quick. Vagina room too full? Come on in. Transgender in flux? No-one cares anymore if you are dressed

  • by laughingskeptic ( 1004414 ) on Wednesday May 31, 2017 @09:47AM (#54517171)
    Most of these legislators used to beat up geeks in High School. Tech firms lobbying against something is tantamount to support here. Republican attitude will be, "You don't like this, well I'm going to make you eat lots of it!"

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