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UK's Chief Troll Hunter Targets Doxxing, Virtual Mobbing, and Nasty Images (arstechnica.co.uk) 100

Some bad news for trollers on the internet who use sophisticated techniques to hurl abuses at others. The UK's top prosecutor has warned that they are introducing new regulations to take these matters carefully and punish offenders with jail time. From an ArsTechnica report:New guidelines have been released by the Crown Prosecution Service to help cops in England and Wales determine whether charges -- under part 2, section 44 of the 2007 Serious Crime Act -- should be brought against people who use social media to encourage others to harass folk online. Over the past four years the CPS has repeatedly tweaked its guidelines on offensive behaviour on social media sites. The latest overhaul, among other things, addresses doxxing, where a person's personal information such as bank details or home address are published online; violence against women and girls such as "baiting" -- which labels someone as sexually promiscuous and can include the use of humiliating photoshopped images; and online harassment campaigns that encourage the use of derogatory hashtags. "Social media can be used to educate, entertain, and enlighten but there are also people who use it to bully, intimidate, and harass," said director of public prosecutions Alison Saunders. "Ignorance is not a defence and perceived anonymity is not an escape. Those who commit these acts, or encourage others to do the same, can and will be prosecuted."
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UK's Chief Troll Hunter Targets Doxxing, Virtual Mobbing, and Nasty Images

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  • And this guy's living proof...

    • by lgw ( 121541 ) on Monday October 10, 2016 @01:18PM (#53048791) Journal

      violence against women and girls such as "baiting" -- which labels someone as sexually promiscuous and can include the use of humiliating photoshopped images;

      Wow, so now the definition of "violence" includes mean tweets? Having been through actual violence, from beatings to robbery, I'll take mean tweets any day.

      "Violence" is not a thing that can happen through the internet. Oh, sure, you can incite it, but that's already a crime, no special "on a computer" law needed. I can see the point in making "doxxing" explicitly a kind of harassment, but really, don't these people have any real crime to chase? You know, the kind that leaves people with actual injury?

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        It's a shitty summary that does not accurately describe the law. Obviously, baiting is not violence. However, photoshopping someone into porn and distributing it on social media as part of a campaign of harassment is illegal in the UK. For men as well as women.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by elrous0 ( 869638 )

        You people are so overreacting to this. All he's saying is that anyone who harasses SJW's by openly disagreeing with them or challenging them in any way will face jail time for it. Perfectly reasonable stuff.

      • by Falos ( 2905315 )
        >labels someone as sexually promiscuous
        >violence against women and girls

        Uh, isn't spreading slut rumors a pretty common girl-on-girl "violence"? They've been doing it without the intertubes for a few years now. Decades. Centuries.

        Whatever, have fun chasing down every bugger that spawns goaste bots.
      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        The really crazy thing about all this, the underlying reality, the more it happens, the less impact it has, it becomes the norm and becomes mostly ignored. Of course inflating the impact, making it seem more and more severe, actually hugely increases the perception of harm and resultant psychological harm.

        So the real truth of what they are doing because they know they will be making it worse, screw the majority, this is all about a tiny minority being able to censor the entire internet from any negative m

  • by meta-monkey ( 321000 ) on Monday October 10, 2016 @12:13PM (#53048185) Journal

    Gotta punish that wrongthink. How much you want to bet they'll vigorously prosecute those who say mean things about immigrants or women, but gosh just never find the time to investigate someone who bashes white people or men...

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      What's with all the alt-right troll headlines on Slashdot lately?

      I submitted the same story without the trolling. It's not nearly as bad as this makes it. The threshold is very high. Grossly offensive has a specific meaning in British law. If you want to discuss the facts of the issue feel free, but I'm pretty sure you aren't familiar with them.

      I'm not really happy about it either, by the way, because the CPS is incompetent, but that's not what the summary or you address.

      • Can someone explain to me the difference between the right and the alt-right?

          • That said nothing about the "alt-right." Is the "alt-right" just anything on the right that isn't the neocon GOP establishment? Given the origins of neoconservatism is ex-trotskyites, doesn't that just make the alt-right the actual right?

        • Right = They will generally still call multiculturalism a failure, but they will not allow any measures to be taken to fix it. There must be total freedom of religion for instance and no discrimination against immigrants based on it.

          Alt-right = fuck Islam.

        • Can someone explain to me the difference between the right and the alt-right?

          Anything the Left doesn't like

      • by elrous0 ( 869638 )

        It always cracks me up how leftists who scream like little girls when someone dares label them with "SJW" are the first to label any post they disagree with as "alt-right."

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          I don't think anyone called me an SJW today, but I don't read all the -1 comments so...

          The alt-right is an actual thing though, a real political movement that people voluntarily identify with. They like to separate themselves from normal conservatives, or "cuckservatives" as they often say, who they don't regard as hardcore enough.

          It's not an insult, it's just the name of the their political movement, they one they themselves use. Head over to Breitbart, it's used as a badge of honour.

          • by elrous0 ( 869638 )

            The alt-right is an actual thing though

            So are SJW's. And they too have separated themselves from traditional liberals, adopting a much more radical agenda. Just ask Bernie Sanders, an old-school liberal who ran head-long [nbcnews.com] into the SJW movement during his campaign.

            The sad thing is that Sanders would have made for a much better President than either of the two ass-clowns who got the nominations. But these days only the most shrill voices dominate. And as a straight white male who wasn't able to tout his victimhood and label all his opponents as sex

            • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

              SJW is an insult applied to people, the alt-right is something people happy identify with and consider to be their representative political movement.

              My point was really that it's not an insult, I'm not insulting people when I identify their allegiance to or politics as alt-right. So you can't really say it's equivalent to calling someone an SJW.

              • by Z80a ( 971949 )

                It's a half and half situation.
                While there are a decently sized group of people that entitles themselves alt-right, people been grouping several groups that aren't alt-rights into the same neat package to beat down the whole thing at once.

              • by Anonymous Coward

                Bullshit. SJW is a label that progressives themselves invented. Like all such labels, given the hateful nature of progressive politics and ideology, it has taken on negative connotations, but that's not the fault of people who use it to talk about your ideology.

      • by jez9999 ( 618189 )

        It's not nearly as bad as this makes it. The threshold is very high.

        I don't give a shit where the threshold is. Any law that has the principle that "offensive hashtags" might, under any circumstances, deserve jail time is an abomination.

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    but more than just a little bit difficult to enforce.

    harassment is already illegal.... so just add some bits to include "...on the internet" and call it a day. the law will be there for when its needed.

  • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Monday October 10, 2016 @12:24PM (#53048307) Journal

    I predict the Anonymous Cowards aren't going to like this one bit, no sir. Not one bit.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Part 2, section 44 of the 2007 Serious Crime Act :
    "Intentionally encouraging or assisting an offence (1)A person commits an offence if— (a)he does an act capable of encouraging or assisting the commission of an offence; and (b)he intends to encourage or assist its commission. (2)But he is not to be taken to have intended to encourage or assist the commission of an offence merely because such encouragement or assistance was a foreseeable consequence of his act."

    It's not a crime to label someone with a

  • by Anonymous Coward

    When these people talk about "trolls," they're not talking about your garden-variety asshole that stirs up trouble for his own amusement. They're talking about the other kind of troll, the one that hides inside the term and uses the harmless ones for cover. These people are a menace. Stalking and harassment are just the appetizers for these psychos -- swatting is more their style. [nytimes.com] They want to hurt people and the internet exports that misery all over the world.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      So what?.. bad laws are bad laws.. you don't burn down a forest to kill a tiger

  • by Rick Schumann ( 4662797 ) on Monday October 10, 2016 @01:16PM (#53048771) Journal
    That's where I see this going: They'll hunt down these nasty trolls, only to find they're just '2edgy4u' 12-year-olds who aren't supervised in their internet usage. What do you do then? Can't put them in prison. Do you put their parents in prison? Huge fine? LOL. I think the best you could do is ban their household from the internet for some period of time, and inform the kids school that he's not to be allowed to use the internet except when 100% supervised. This does not even address the problem of trolls outside the jurisdicton of the UK, for which there's basically nothing they could do about it; do they really think Timbuktwoistan's government is going to give a damn about someone posting mean things on the internet? I think this is, once again, a case of politicians and government workers who don't understand the technology of the internet, and how unenforcable things like this really are because of that. What they ought to be doing is working to educate people that they should not be posting personal information on the internet in the first place, so no doxxing can happen.
    • Tell that to all credit-related agencies.

      Bought a house? Your name, address, and price paid are on a list for advertisers and lenders to swoop in on.

      Recently looked into buying a car? Your name and address are put on a list for lenders and dealers to send crap to.

      Anything else involving a credit check? Yup. Your name is on a list for credit card companies to send crap to.

      Oddly enough, even if you explicitly opt-out of this advertising, you will still get a ton of garbage. I bought a house earlier th
    • by Anonymous Coward

      They'll also find that a lot of these trolls are actually bots or alt accounts used by big twitter names to harass themselves to start a conversation about bullying.

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  • Sounds like a great time to start an American VPN company. Let's see them try to extradite for enabling free speech.

    Our police state will know everything about everything said using it, but doesn't care. They think the masses should be allowed to vent, knowing it has as much meaning as the squeals of puppies in a box. It's a little surprising the UK doesn't seem to understand how effective the 2 Minute Hate is considering it was invented by a British author. Perhaps they think undirected hate undermines

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      That will be the only way around nations with no free speech or freedom after speech, expensive liable laws and religious speech tests.
      Political parties, gov workers, well funded NGO's, faith groups, cults, lawyers will push for the identification of anyone who talks about political parties party or gov policy.
      The most easy way is just to use a politician, celebrity account with open comments as bait and see who comments, then discover the UK ip's.
      To escape that UK isp discovery use a VPN away from the E
  • and a very sophisticated fuck you to you too
    got to watch the unsupervised 60yrlds as well

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