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Alibaba Engineers Fired for Mooncake Hacking (wsj.com) 85

On the eve of Mid-Autumn Festival, some people will go to great lengths to get mooncakes, the traditional gift for family, friends and colleagues. At Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., four engineers tried to rig the distribution system of the e-commerce giant's mooncake selloff -- and were fired for their effort (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; alternate source), reports WSJ. From the report: Alibaba confirmed it fired the four this week, after they hacked into the internal website that allows employees to purchase the company's signature mooncakes, with an orange fluffy Alibaba mascot inside. The Hangzhou-based company allocates one free box to each employee for the holiday, and sells extras on the site at cost -- 59 yuan (about $9) for a box of four.
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Alibaba Engineers Fired for Mooncake Hacking

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  • by Enigma2175 ( 179646 ) on Thursday September 15, 2016 @12:11PM (#52893651) Homepage Journal

    Would it have killed them to put a picture of a mooncake in the article? Am I the only one who doesn't know what the hell they are talking about?

    • by networkBoy ( 774728 ) on Thursday September 15, 2016 @12:14PM (#52893667) Journal

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

      to be fair, I had no clue either.
      -nb

      • by OzPeter ( 195038 )

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

        to be fair, I had no clue either.
        -nb

        So on a place where people say that this is a US based site (and suck up any lack of pandering to you foreign, socialist idiots who can't understand why the US uses its own set of units) Slashdot posts a story about something that is culturally limited to a non-American country and then doesn't provide any context!

        Yeah .. get off my lawn.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          Show me on the doll where the reference to an artifact of Chinese culture hurt you.

        • I knew about them and have eaten one, and I'm California born and have never been to China. They're sold in the US, and Chinese nationals and Americans with Chinese ancestry will share them with coworkers and friends.

      • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Thursday September 15, 2016 @01:17PM (#52894197)

        A mooncake is a pastry consisting of a crust and a filling. The filling can be sweetened red beans, lotus paste, nuts, etc. They are pretty good. They are eaten during the harvest moon festival, with is tonight.

        They are not at all "hard to get". You can buy them on any corner bakery in China. Also they are easy to make using molds you can buy on eBay or Amazon, and they taste WAY better fresh from the oven instead of the sodium-benzoate laden crap you buy on-line.

        Pro-tip: The hard part is getting them out of the mold, and they slide out of the plastic molds way easier than the wooden molds. I use this one [amazon.com].

        Disclaimer: My wife is Chinese.

        • by ruir ( 2709173 )
          I buy them here in Portugal, and we are not Chinese.
          • by Anonymous Coward

            You are a culture appropriator

            • You are a culture appropriator

              Culture appropriation is nonsense. As a Chinese I welcome everyone to try our things.

        • by b0bby ( 201198 )

          They're not unheard of in the US - I got a box at Costco last year, just to try them out and because the box looked cool. I brought it into work and the consensus was that it's Chinese fruitcake - something everyone has to buy and give, but that no one really likes.

          I guess back in the day it was actually a good gift to get because it seems like about the most calorie dense food you can get. To a peasant farmer that's going to be manna, but for modern affluent folks, it's just too rich.

          • by phorm ( 591458 )

            something everyone has to buy and give, but that no one really likes

            I don't know many people who like fruitcakes, but amongst my Chinese friends there is certainly a lot of disappointment if they can't get "moon cakes" around the appropriate time of year.

            • I don't know many people who like fruitcakes, but amongst my Chinese friends there is certainly a lot of disappointment if they can't get "moon cakes" around the appropriate time of year.

              Though that doesn't actually mean that they LIKE it (for the taste, that is)... Maybe they're nostalgic for it.

        • Most asian supermarkets and tea shops sell them. The taiwanese tea chain Ten Ren has shops here in the US. Their tea flavored cakes are very good

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Am I the only one who doesn't know what the hell they are talking about?

      I think Michael Jackson used to eat them.

    • You can find plenty of pictures and information on the web. But I still don't know what the references to "an orange fluffy Alibaba mascot inside" are about.
    • by SirSlud ( 67381 )

      Slashdot is now 85% people whining about having to open a tab and search for expository boilerplate.

    • here is one rolled up nicely https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploa... [vox-cdn.com]

  • by turkeydance ( 1266624 ) on Thursday September 15, 2016 @12:21PM (#52893725)
    moonpies are poison. R C Cola is the antidote
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Mooncakes are serious business in Asian culture. Don't fuck with the mooncakes!

  • Alibaba was founded on the principle of "screw the American Devil". The programmers in diverting the mooncakes to themselves were only living up to that principle. It seems to me that their cheat was in complete sync with Alibaba policy and ideals.
  • This story is a classic example of a bad submission, and there is absolutely no way in hell that it worked its way out here to the front page from the firehose without some kind of manipulation.

    four engineers tried to rig the distribution system of the e-commerce giant's mooncake selloff

    Not only are we left to wonder what a mooncake is, which is not so bad really as we can look it up, but we're left to wonder why we should care about Alibaba's annual mooncake sale which we've never heard of before. Not lin

    • When Chinese hackers breech American military and corporate security to steal priceless information and technology, it's a tragedy. When Chinese hackers breech Chinese security to steal cheap snacks, it's news.

    • Not only are we left to wonder what a mooncake is, which is not so bad really as we can look it up, but we're left to wonder why we should care about Alibaba's annual mooncake sale which we've never heard of before. Not linking mooncake to WP is dumb, but not linking "annual mooncake sale" to a page which explains what it is to us is just goddamned stupid.

      I thought Slashdot was going to be different now... better. But...

      Nope. Whinier commenters these days. In the old days, a whiny commenter would have whined and then posted links to all the things in question in disgust to get those precious mod points.

  • Having traveled in China, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan, I actually knew exactly what a mooncake was. It was interesting to me to see some of the "What's a mooncake?" posts given how I'm all the time seeing articles here on subjects I've never heard of, like the latest programming language de jour which is apparently one million times more awesome and useful than every other language that ever came before it.

    By the way, most mooncakes aren't very delicious, at least not according to my white boy America
  • how hard is it to bake a cake?!

    • What's really impressive is that it took FOUR employees to hack a website. FOUR? Really? One would have been enough. What did the other 3 do? Was this a concerted effort, or did all 4 of them hack the website individually without notifying the other 3?

      This probably explains why American companies are outsourcing to China. "For the price of one American employee, we could get FOUR Chinese ones!"
      • Alibaba confirmed it fired the four this week, after they hacked into the internal website that allows employees to purchase the company's signature mooncakes, with an orange fluffy Alibaba mascot inside.

        No no no.. Alibaba hacked the website "with an orange fluffy Alibaba mascot inside."

        Hacking websites is an interesting use of a mooncake, I'd say!

  • Reading other accounts of the story (I expected better from you, WSJ!), the server was not hacked. Instead there was a buy button on a web page, and these engineers wrote javascript in a web browser to click the button for them. I'm not clear on the exact technical details (the articles and posts did not detail them), but it sounds like you could keep clicking the buy button via javascript to get lots of orders.

    • It's worse than that (or better, depending on perspective). So far as I can tell, Alibaba decided to sell a limited number of leftover boxes at cost through their internal sales system. Apparently the system was immediately overloaded, so employees weren't able actually purchase the boxes by clicking the "buy" button. A few employees whipped up a script to click the button faster to try to get orders through, and ended up buying 124 boxes between them. Alibaba called this a "hack" and fired them 2 hours
      • Wow, that does make the firing even more ridiculous then. No wonder they immediately got job offers from other companies.

        It's crazy how all these big sites are regurgitating this story with the sensational headline and not one bothers to do a basic fact check. All they need to do to have someone who knows Chinese translate the social media posts.

  • While no one was looking, 4 Chinese engineers stole 400 cakes. That's as many as 40 tens, and that's terrible.

  • So, you assumed that, since China's population is 1/5th of the world's population, that if you posted an article about a Chinese cultural thing, there'd be at least a 20% chance that a reader would know what you were talking about. Now, not that I don't see why you'd THINK that...

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