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10 Years in Prison For Online Pirates a Step Closer in the UK (torrentfreak.com) 136

The UK Government's Digital Economy Bill has moved a step closer to becoming law after its second reading in Parliament. With unanimous support, the current two-year maximum custodial sentence for online piracy is almost certain to increase to a decade, TorrentFreak reports. From the article: Due to UK copyright law allowing for custodial sentences of 'just' two years for online offenses, anti-piracy groups such as the Federation Against Copyright Theft have chosen to pursue their own private prosecutions. These have largely taken place under legislation designed for those who have committed fraud, rather than the more appropriate offense of copyright infringement. Physical pirates (CDs, DVDs) can be jailed for up to 10 years under current legislation. During the past few years, there have been lobbying efforts for this punishment to apply both on and offline. That resulted in a UK Government announcement last year indicating that it would move to increase the maximum prison sentence for online copyright infringement to ten years. They also urge Google to do something about growing incidents of piracy.
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10 Years in Prison For Online Pirates a Step Closer in the UK

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  • Crazy (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @02:15PM (#52887409)

    10 years for piracy? Force them to pay for the pirated content, plus a fine. Why prison at all?

    Also, what about google? Why should google "do something"? Not their table . . .

    • Re:Crazy (Score:4, Funny)

      by Z00L00K ( 682162 ) on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @02:37PM (#52887625) Homepage Journal

      The UK starts to look like the world of Max Headroom.

    • by Roger W Moore ( 538166 ) on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @02:43PM (#52887677) Journal

      10 years for piracy?

      Actually until 1998 piracy used to carry a mandatory death sentence in the UK under the 1837 piracy act [wikipedia.org]. This was one of the few crimes which still had it after the (almost) abolition of the death sentence in 1965. Mind you it did have to be committed on the high seas so it only applied to those downloading content while on a ship at sea.

      • by Lead Butthead ( 321013 ) on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @02:57PM (#52887769) Journal

        Nazi war criminals serves five years or less.
        Apparently IP piracy is more severe in scope than industrialized murder of six million.

      • You are confusing actual piracy with what this actually refers to, copyright violations.

        • by clodney ( 778910 )

          Whoosh

        • What will stop the courts from making the same mistake?

          The way most laws work, they are not enforced, unless they want to convict someone for a crime. So person X was accused for Crime Y where they couldn't find the evidence for that, but they did find some small scale pirating or copyright infringement, and boom 10 year sentence, and the lawers on his side may not been fully prepared to fight a piracy charge.

        • You are confusing actual piracy with what this actually refers to, copyright violations.

          No I would never do that because you aren't even detained [wikipedia.org], let alone imprisoned for 10 years, for actual piracy under UK law because they are worried you might try to claim asylum.

      • Ya Ha matey, we's be here for your rips. Puts all the usb in this bag and we'll be lettin ya live.
    • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

      B.t.w related stories are listed as:

      • World Reacts To The Worst Mass Shooting In U.S. History
      • The Case Against a Universal Basic Income
      • Mass Shooting In San Bernardino Kills At Least 14
      • PayPal Pulls North Carolina Plan After Transgender Bathroom Law
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      Seems right... Except the PayPal story that's WTF related.

    • Because copying stuff on the internet is WORSE than stealing physical items!

      Put everyone in fear of jail and it makes the police state easier to maintain...

      • In order to function as a deterrent the penalty against something must make the crime unappealing. If you pirate a $10 movie and the maximum penalty is $20 then it is economically rational to pirate a movie if you have only a 50% chance of being caught. The chance of being prosecuted for torrenting is, I bet, about 0.0000001. So to deter people, the penalty has to be much more severe to make the crime economically irrational. And economic self interest is the the baseline for an effective penalty, not th
      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        That's what it's about: fear.

        The City of London Police, the content industry's private police force, will use this to threaten and intimidate people running services that compete with their corporate masters.

        With this and Brexit, it's probably just best to take your innovation elsewhere.

  • by MikeDataLink ( 536925 ) on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @02:17PM (#52887433) Homepage Journal

    Let's put lots of young people in prison on long mandatory sentences for petty crimes. Sounds genius!

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @02:25PM (#52887509) Journal

      Let's put lots of young people in prison on long mandatory sentences for petty crimes. Sounds genius!

      Plutocracy at work:

            Rape, stab, murder = yawn

            Copy My-Little-Pony vid = SLAMMER FOREVER!

      You can stab people, just not profits.

      • You Brits should challenge this as cruel and unusual punishment. It's prohibited in UK common law by the1689 Bill of Rightw [wikipedia.org]. As you and others have pointed out, it's ridiculous for this sort of petty financial crime to have punishments worse than violent crimes. Especially when financial crimes six orders of magnitude larger frequently have zero jail time.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Marijuana is gradually being legalized in western countries, we need *something* to keep the jail cells full.

    • by Xest ( 935314 )

      This is only for criminal piracy - i.e. piracy to make a profit, and the maximum sentence is only for the most serious cases, so for example if someone is selling pirated software online as legitimate software and then using that money to fund al-Qaeda or whatever then they might get 10 years.

      People downloading the latest movies, TV series, or music aren't affected by this as they're not engaging in criminal piracy, it's still a civil issue and there is no prison sentence for civil offences.

  • Will be missed

    • Will be missed

      Sarcasm runs deep with that one...Deeper than the English Chanel at least.

      The UK won't look back once the unsavory business of splitting up is over. The EU is on borrowed time as well as on borrowed money and unless something happens, more members will be taking the exit path from the roundabout and re-asserting the authority of their own countries and courts.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    “However, I wish to stress to hon. Members and to members of the public that this is not to catch out people who download music and unwittingly download or stream something illegal. I want to make that clear in adding my support to this measure. As far as I understand it, it targets the criminals who make money from distributing music to which they do not have the rights.”

    We'll see about that. If it's anything like in the states, one offense and you'll be charged with piracy. Like when you're caught with a - ONE - joint, you are charged with intent to distribute.

    The law will be abused.

    • That's EXACTLY what this is, the government's "gateway drug" to totalitarianism....

    • by gfxguy ( 98788 )
      That's what we've learned, isn't it? Or are people's memories show short they don't remember. There are any number of poorly or vaguely written laws that lawmakers said would only be used for something in particular, but have been applied in any way possible since.
      • Or are people's memories show short they don't remember.

        No, its just that people tend to get old and die at some point, where only the young stay, who think that history is boring and it was a different time and can't happen ever ever again.

    • The law will be abused.

      Ya think?

      Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it... While those of us who do are doomed to helplessly watch.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @02:26PM (#52887525)

    PrisonerA: "What are you in for?"
    PrisonerB: "I was caught with a potted plant in my home."
    PrisonerC: "I couldn't remember my password."

    and now,

    PrisonerD: "I consumed propaganda without also paying for the privilege."

    And many more! Western civilization has gone bonkers.

    • PrisonerE I shoplifted the same CD and I have 3 days left on my 30 day visit don't drop the soap.

    • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

      Prisoner A: I got 10 years for assault and manslaughter, you?
      Prisoner B: I shared a movie.

      I guess that Prisoner B will have a huge butthole or change to violent crimes instead when he comes out.

      • Prisoner A: I got 10 years for assault and manslaughter, you? Prisoner B: I shared a movie.

        I guess that Prisoner B will have a huge butthole or change to violent crimes instead when he comes out.

        Just shoplift the Blu-Ray, less punishment for that.

        • by Gonoff ( 88518 )

          Just shoplift the Blu-Ray, less punishment for that.

          Isn't having a Blu-Ray enough punishment for anyone?

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      Three prisoners in a UK prison get to talking about why they are there.
      "I am here because I trusted onion routing, and they charged me with piracy," says the first.
      "I am here because my VPN leaked my real IP, and they charged me with piracy," says the second.
      "I am here because my VPN worked well every day," says the third, "and they charged me with been a Russian spy."
  • Up the ante! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @02:27PM (#52887529)

    10 years? For 10 years I can mow down an MP with my car. Or kidnap his kids and rape them repeatedly before cutting off a limb or two. Or after, if that's more my fancy. I could also blow up the effin' Parliament (of course while nobody is inside, else it could mean a longer sentence).

    No, wait, blowing up the Parliament carries a lower sentence.

    • "No, wait, blowing up the Parliament carries a lower sentence."

      What if you do it on the 5th of November?

      • by sinij ( 911942 )

        "No, wait, blowing up the Parliament carries a lower sentence."

        What if you do it on the 5th of November?

        With laws like this, do they have any other options left?

      • Recover from the after-election hangover, most likely.

    • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

      Just avoid blowing up a member of the royal family or you will see that they find a way to reinstate the death penalty.

    • No, wait, blowing up the Parliament carries a lower sentence.

      Not to mention that you'll get an annual holiday named after you - and that's even if the plan doesn't work!

    • by ncc74656 ( 45571 ) *

      No, wait, blowing up the Parliament carries a lower sentence.

      Umm...didn't the last guy who tried to blow up Parliament meet a rather more harsh fate?

  • I am a tech professional and major nerd. When I was growing up and teaching myself different software and operating system, I had the tendency to find them on "sharing" websites. (only because I was dirt poor and only looking to learn the tools)

    Could this kind of severe punishment have an unintended consequence of causing a potential younger tech professional from wanting to move to the UK? I know a lot of tech people who "share" movies and such (I have since grown out of it, but I don't begrudge someone w
    • I am a tech professional and major nerd. When I was growing up and teaching myself different software and operating system, I had the tendency to find them on "sharing" websites. (only because I was dirt poor and only looking to learn the tools)

      Could this kind of severe punishment have an unintended consequence of causing a potential younger tech professional from wanting to move to the UK? I know a lot of tech people who "share" movies and such (I have since grown out of it, but I don't begrudge someone who does). I think it is kind of part of the millennial culture. I could be wrong.

      Meh. I would imagine that the fact that the UK is rapidly becoming a real world model of Airstrip One would be more than enough to discourage anyone at all; not just IT people, from wanting to move there.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    It's too bad we didn't call it the "all-around really radical reticulation" so our third-level domains would traditionally start with arrr.

  • This would result in Mass Incarceration of young people. Copyright infringement is basically a thought crime. I wish that we could see more picketing and mass protests of this sort of thing all over the world. Because "Intellectual Property" is effectively worthless. Unlike Physical goods, its not finite, and can be reproduced limitlessly. To keep a few very rich and powerful people in power, we are willing to institute a massive wave of fascism, which will end in destroying free speech and communication in

  • What about the burden of proof? ISP's do a poor job of keep track of equipment so they end up with the wrong person just from that.

    What about the proving that file is pirated and not an Professor's Lecture's that has the same name as an artist?

  • by npslider ( 4555045 ) on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @02:59PM (#52887777)

    Prisoner 1: "What are you in for?"
    Prisoner 2: "I posted a low grade copy of "Spock's Brain" to YouTube."
    Prisoner 1: "What!? Are you mad? How many views did you get?"
    Prisoner 2: "Zero."
    Prisoner 1: "How long is your sentence?"
    Prisoner 2: "They are giving me 'The Chair' tomorrow morning."
    Prisoner 1: "Dude, I'm sorry. That sucks."
    Prisoner 2: "Yeah... well, my brother-in law did the same thing; only it was "Threshold".
    Prisoner 1: "Star Trek Voyager? The Wacko Amphibians??"
    Prisoner 2: "Yeah. That one. He died in a drone strike, an hour after it was posted."
    Prisoner 1: "Who killed him?"
    Prisoner 2: "It's a toss up between Trekkie's and the government. I'm leaning towards the government."
    Prisoner 1: "Well... I'm out tomorrow. I guess killing 12 people isn't what it used to be. Your president really means business in clearing this Cuban prison."

    The sign above the door reads 'Guantanamo Bay'

  • by MooseTick ( 895855 ) on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @02:59PM (#52887779) Homepage

    I know its US vs UK, but Brock Turner (http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/us/sexual-assault-brock-turner-stanford/) received a 6 month sentence for raping an unconscious woman, yet someone else could spend 20 times that length of time imprisoned for copying a file?

    And people wonder why we question our faith in the police, government and the system!

  • Proportionality (Score:5, Informative)

    by GeekWithAKnife ( 2717871 ) on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @03:17PM (#52887945)

    When will these type of crimes become proportional FFS??

    Here's some average jail times for crimes in the UK to put this into perspective:

    Administering drugs to obtain intercourse Sexual Offences Act 1956 s4 2 years

    Abuse of trust: sexual activity with a child Sexual Offences Act 2003 s16 5 years

    Burglary with intent to commit rape (non-dwelling) Theft Act 1968 s9 10 years

    Distributing copyrighted material Dumbass Act 2016 10 years?!

    Who is "demanding justice" in this case to require 10 years for "piracy"? It's not for the people...you know, the individuals that make this democracy thing work.
  • by neghvar1 ( 1705616 ) on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @03:19PM (#52887959)

    Thankfully the USA has the 8th amendment forbidding cruel or unusual punishment. So we won't see such a bill here.

    • by sinij ( 911942 )
      Yes, but US allowed crazy damages in similar cases. So while no jail time, bankruptcy is still on the table.
      • Bankruptcy only lasts 7 years on your credit record doesn't it? And although it ruins your credit for awhile, you can still live as you please (and can afford to pay cash for).

  • View a video or song, and 10 years.

    Oh, mind you, most of us have bought the same album in different formats repeatedly. So if you bought that album on vinyl, cassette, and CD. You didn't buy it, per the record labels you just bought a license.

    Well, fine....where the hell is my damn license? And if I have a license, why does the media matter?

    • Good point... But your license says you cannot copy the work onto a different media, and make only a single backup copy.
  • UK is a maritime nation, we can't allow bandits interrupt maritime shipping routes and commerce. Piracy on the high seas should be punished with a stiff jail time. They used to hang for that, so 10 years is rather civilized.
  • Torrenting a few porn movies is worse than rape. At some point ideas like 'fair', and 'proportional' were euphemised and defined out of the window.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Those convicted aren't going to be purchasing media for the next 10 years, nor likely thereafter out of spite.

    Even if it does function as a deterrent, many are going react with a similar "fuck you" to the establishment and find other entertainment. (Not only pirates, but principled people protesting this outrageous injustice.) Media outlets will become a target of vandalism/arson/etc., which will also provide entertainment with a lesser sentence if caught.

    The only paying customers left will be worthy of s

  • by Trogre ( 513942 ) on Wednesday September 14, 2016 @09:00PM (#52890125) Homepage

    Abolish copyright. Now.

    • by twokay ( 979515 )
      Every year they add to the offence is a movie i will not got to the cinema and pay for. I barely make it past 10 visits a year currently, so they are getting very little of my money. Despite all the censorship in the UK of torrent sites it is still ridiculously easy to find any movie i want (there are even sites that have a handy list all in one place, including all the ones i didn't know about). And everyone i know of a similar age is aware of how to "pirate" and does so. Are they really going to lock up e
  • Such a vauge term, if they mean copyright inf ringers then they are going to have to increase the size of their prisons massively to accommodate a 3rd of the counties population. I should probably give up copyright infringement and become a murderer as a past time so i'm less likely to go to jail for a decade.
  • Great. Just plant som fresh piracy materal at known serial rapists and phedophiles, and they will get proper sentences.

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