Amazon Just Removed Encryption From the Software Powering Kindles, Smartphones, Tablets (dailydot.com) 202
Patrick O'Neill writes: While Apple continues to resist a court order requiring it to help the FBI access a terrorist's phone, another major tech company took a strange and unexpected step away from encryption. Amazon has removed device encryption from the operating system that powers its Kindle e-reader, Fire Phone, Fire Tablet, and Fire TV devices. The change, which took effect in Fire OS 5, affects millions of users.
Spoiler: Clinton doesn't like encryption (Score:1, Interesting)
Bezos owns the Washington Post. The Washington Post endorses Clinton for president.
Amazon does away with device encryption by inference.
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Bezos owns the Washington Post. The Washington Post endorses Clinton for president.
So does Bezos own Clinton? Or does Clinton own Bezos . . . ? Inquiring minds want to know . . .
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Clinton was dead broke because they paid Trump to run as a Republican to further fracture and break the Republican Party. It is why trump hasn't spent any of his own money yet and still only has had limited donations.
The best party is Hillary engineered her own election out of the stupidity of republicans to realize they are being screwed.
Re:Spoiler: Clinton doesn't like encryption (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, Trump has spent his own money - about $250K of it. Much more, however, he has "loaned" his campaign. Eventually, if/when he's the nominee and raises funds from other people, his campaign will pay him back with interest. Thus, Trump will profit off of running for President even if he doesn't win. (That, and the whole "free publicity" thing which he loves.)
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He's raised about $7.5M and has a couple of donate buttons on his site.
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Legally, he has to pay himself back before he accepts the nomination (I believe). Or funds raised after that don't count or something. It doesn't matter. He's raising enough money now to pay himself back by then.
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The reality is that the circus went beyond the far side of crazy and all three left standing are trying to outdo each other which has made it even crazier.
Not a problem (Score:1)
Maybe if Amazon actually sold any of those devices it would make a difference. I can't imagine the average criminal relying on a Fire phone.
But I guess I'll sleep a little better now knowing that the FBI can more easily find out what books the terrorists are reading.
Re: Not a problem (Score:2)
It was nice knowing you Kindle (Score:3)
These authoritarians really need to go. At the same time, the fools who allow it need to go with them. Until that time comes, I'm not going to bend for either side.
I seem to remember this book called "The Republic" which talks about this very thing. I also read a whole lot of history about this Republic which was founded because of the same things.
History is always forgotten, so we continue to repeat it...
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The Swindle was never a good device to use or own and there remain many reasons not to do business with amazon.com. [stallman.org]
I have one of the original kindles (Score:2)
and though I don't use it much at all, I got an email from amazon saying that an 'important update' is available for my kindle and I should install it.
of course, i don't trust them so I didn't. not sure what it would do but its not likely it would benefit ME, so unless I can see a reason to install it, I won't.
as long as I leave the radio off, I should be good, I guess. and whatever content is on my unit should stay there since its not really cloud-based when the radio is off.
Apple support is unacceptable (Score:5, Interesting)
That would still be better than what Apple did to me. I wrote an integrated, dual-language point-of-sale system for a Chinese restaurant, friends of the family. They had a Mac Mini, perfect for this kind of low-cpu-load app; I designed and built the app on my mac pro, under the exact same level of OS X, got it working 100%, installed it on the mini... and it wouldn't print. Debugged a bit, and found that CUPS was going nipples north every time UTF-8 data (Chinese text, perfectly normal use of UTF-8) got sent to it. Only on the mini. Mac pro continued to print the Chinese text perfectly. Receipts, kitchen order printouts, reports, etc. So, I called Apple.
me: "I found a 100% repeatable bug in the CUPS printing engine that prevents output via the shell of UTF-8 text"
them: "um, yeah, we confirm that, turns out there was a bug in the object generation for Intel core 2 duos."
me: "So, a fix, when?"
them: Oh, already fixed, just upgrade OS X. Was only a bug in the code generator.
me: ok [buys upgrade on USB stick] [tries to upgrade the mini]
quoth the upgrade: "your computer cannot be upgraded, core 2 duo not supported"
me: "Hey, I can't upgrade, core 2 duo here"
them: "time for a new computer!"
me: "computer isn't broken. The OS is broken. Your OS. You told me so. It doesn't do what you said it would."
them: "...time for a new computer"
me: [ATH0] [buys used mini of later vintage for my friends out of my pocket - it certainly wasn't their fault - got all that working.]
Since then, they have tried to push many upgrades of the Apple app store and iTunes to the same machine. So they're definitely still building for the architecture.
Never bought another computer from them. I don't plan to, either. I still use OS X, but I only buy used machines, I don't buy apps or music or anything from the Apple store, and I now have an Android phone and my brand new S7 will be here in 8 days.
Apple isn't to be trusted. Period.
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"Apple isn't to be trusted. Period."
Do you know any companies that are to be trusted?
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If I sell you X, and say that X does Y, but it doesn't, then my obligation is to fix it so it does or otherwise make good on it if that is possible. Which, in this case, it certainly was.
The mindset you are talking about is one of the things seriously wrong with the software industry. It is born of a massively misguided urge to go forward, abandoning previous work, regardless of how much damage it does to one's current customers and regardless of the lack of honor such behavior brings to the vendor/customer
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the OS in question was 10.6.8, and the version they sold me to "fix" it was 10.7, just one version later.
Wait, there's something I don't get. This is the list of all Mac Mini models [everymac.com].
The first three use a PowerPC G4. The next three use either Intel Core Solo or Core Duo, which are 32 bit processors and therefore only upgradeable up to 10.6.8. You are clearly not talking about these, and you specifically mention that it was a Core 2 Duo.
Starting from the Mac mini "Core 2 Duo" 2.0 (Early 2009) (P7350), all the Mac Minis are upgradable all the way up to El Capitan. So you didn't have one of those.
That leaves us wi
The forced upgrade has already started (Score:2)
Six months later: "The version of your OS is too outdated to continue, click here to upgrade now!".
Your estimate is off by six months. The forced upgrade was announced today. I just got this email:
important update required for your Kindle e-reader
Your Kindle Keyboard (3rd Generation) requires an important software update to continue downloading e-books and using Kindle services. This important update applies to Kindle e-readers released prior to 2014.
***sigh***. Amazon was very convenient. It is not going to be convenient to ditch them, I live in a very rural area. If you don't count Walmart there are not a lot of shopping options in the area. Despite the inconvenience, the encryption announcement followed by the forced upgrade (with no explanation of why the upgrade is needed) leaves me no choice.
On the plus side, I will probably save a lot of mon
Not the e-ink kindle! (Score:5, Informative)
Only the Fire OS powered Kindle, which is a full fledged tablet with the Amazon android fork. Old fashioned e-ink kindle doesn't have encryption to start with.
Amazon finally went DRM free? (Score:5, Insightful)
Thats awesome!.....Darn that's not what TFA said at all.
So the rich people get to keep their encryption (DRM) and the rest of us get screwed again.
Re:Amazon finally went DRM free? (Score:4, Insightful)
You don't use kindle fire for the same kind of personal data you use your phone for, at least most of the time. Remember when there were librarians, and they seriously cared about and fought back against government demands to see what you checked out of the library?
Yeah. Amazon's not a librarian.
Amazon is a data-driven company that you have to assume keeps records of everything you do through them indefinitely. Since their ultimate market plan is to have a tiny slice of every transaction on the planet, they in many ways are a much bigger threat to your privacy than the FBI.
But they're really convenient.
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Since their ultimate market plan is to have a tiny slice of every transaction on the planet, they in many ways are a much bigger threat to your privacy than the FBI.
The difference is Amazon is opt-in. If you don't want them collecting data on you, you can simply decline to use their products or services. The only way you can opt-out of the FBI is by moving to another country. The only way to opt-out of the CIA however is death.
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Which is the scariest: Amazon, Google, or Facebook? Microsoft/Apple only have a portion of their large market, and Netflix/Hulu/AmazonVideo/YouTube/etc are splitting the market there.
So which panopticon scares you the most?
Re:Amazon finally went DRM free? (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not going to comment on their decision until a formal statement is made. I say this because this decision appears to be so out of line with the current marketing trends and strategies that there may be a good reason regardless of how dumb it appears.
And the headlines in the mainstream media will be! (Score:1)
Amazon removes encryption on their devices, all 3,512 users are confused.
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That implies all 3,512 users knew there was encryption to begin with. I think that's implying a lot.
I'd prefer no encryption (Score:5, Insightful)
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to easily circumvented encryption.
Seems more honest that way.
So who has that strawman you're arguing against? Apple's encryption is hard to bypass (as the FBI is showing us).
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It is in no way hard to bypass. It is just hard to bypass it without destoying the original phone and explaining a whole bunch of icky questions in the court like exactly where, how, who and with what equipment.
This entire thing was a dog and pony show about getting easy, quick and most importantly QUIET access.
What you desribe as bypass sounds a whole lot more like forensics. Sure, that's still possible.
But I want the party doing it to PAY for it, and TOIL for their efforts. Because my private information shouldn't be free.
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They removed the stock encryption they got for free from AOSP. That's probably not easily circumvented, though better crypto techs could weigh in.
The big thing, is the tablets were so cheap, and therefore the processors so slow, they weren't encrypting by default anyway. This will probably affect pretty much no one in the real world - you had to dig into settings to enable it to slow your device down - but the optics aren't that good.
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Unfortunately, dm_crypt in Android is far simpler and more exploitable than what Apple has developed. The software/hardware model used by iOS is the gold standard in consumer device encryption. Android has a long, long way to go. It's kind of a shame.
As for Kindle Fire users, adding encryption is silly. It imposes higher CPU load, slower performance, and shorter battery life on a device that almost nobody saves personally identifiable information on. The sole exception is the Fire Phone, which virtuall
NOW they tell me! (Score:5, Funny)
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How is that even legal? (Score:5, Insightful)
That's like a car company disabling half the cylinders in your engine after you buy the car.
Reducing the functionality of a purchased product post-purchase is sleazy and probably should be considered illegal on some level.
Re: How is that even legal? (Score:2, Insightful)
You would think so, but remember OtherOS on the PS3? It's happened other times too.
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Which is why they were forced to accept refunds from people who refused the upgrade. After all, it forced the user to choose between continuing to use PSN or continuing to use OtherOS, both of which were advertised features that the device had. Quite a few people returned their PS3s to Sony for a full refund. Others who wanted to keep using the device but had been using OtherOS received a partial refund for some court-determined value of OtherOS.
If people care enough, the same will happen here.
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I presume you mean returns not refunds.. (i.e. Sony would refund the purchase price of those who returned it.)
Do you have any stats? I bet it's infinitesimal. (That doesn't mean I think it was fair, though I do think it is/was clearly a game machine far more than a Linux system.)
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That's like a car company disabling half the cylinders in your engine after you buy the car.
Reducing the functionality of a purchased product post-purchase is sleazy and probably should be considered illegal on some level.
Take a look at the EULA of your car . . . you don't really own your car . . . the car is the property of the company that produced it. They can shut you down to one cylinder, if they feel like it.
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What EULA? I buy used cars, and haven't signed any EULA with the manufacturer. I'm not bound by whatever the PO did. I also have no need to copy any copyrighted materials from the car, so some dicey shrink-wrap type thing can't happen, either.
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It was never presented at sale, nor signed off on. The terms are also onerous.
They can put whatever they want in the EULA, but it doesn't mean it's enforceable.
Yes, based on it not being given at point of sale, it shouldn't be enforcable. However, many court have ruled it is. Beware of additional offerings, such as OS upgrades that you click Accept in order to install. There you are getting something new and entering into a new contract.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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I just put a Post-it note over the text, saying something like "By continuing the installation after I click Accept, you grant me unlimited rights to use the product in any way I want." That way, a coercive, unnegotiated contract which is good for the goose can be turned into one which is good for the gander.
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"such as OS upgrades that you click Accept in order to install"
I just put a Post-it note over the text, saying something like "By continuing the installation after I click Accept, you grant me unlimited rights to use the product in any way I want." That way, a coercive, unnegotiated contract which is good for the goose can be turned into one which is good for the gander.
That will hold up in court, just like putting your own UPC codes on boxes in the store so they ring up differently. Hey, that price tag is an unnegotiated contract!
Oh wait, no, that doesn't work.
I'm not good little corporate shill - I strongly dislike EULAs and educated myself about how enforceable they are. The answer is "it depends", and I have at least some grasp about the particulars. It's much better than just wishful thinking.
For example I don't install any software on my kids machines or tell them
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Slapping on a different UPC is fraudulently trying to alter the negotiation without the knowledge or consent of the other party, prior to the creation of a contract.
They're both fraud, the difference being which party is committing fra
*Is* that even legal? (Score:3)
Reducing the functionality of a purchased product post-purchase is sleazy and probably should be considered illegal on some level.
I agree, but a more practical question might soon be: if upgrading to firmware that removes this feature is necessary in order to fix some other defect with the original product as purchased (broken functionality, security vulnerability, etc.) then would that already be illegal? Consumer protection laws are quite strong in some places, Europe for example, and even the biggest of tech firms can find themselves called out and penalised if they don't meet the required standards.
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That's like a car company disabling half the cylinders in your engine after you buy the car.
Reducing the functionality of a purchased product post-purchase is sleazy and probably should be considered illegal on some level.
Like the Sony PS3?
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I'm still waiting for the complete collection of the sims 2 to be released afaik It's still not available on disc.
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The games industry is strange. Sometimes the only winning move is not to play.
Guess Bezos thinks Kindles are toys (Score:3)
What I hate is that Amazon was looking pretty good there for a while.
So if you want FDE on your device, you have to have the latest Android or one of the bulk of iOS devices which support FDE.
Guess that's clear - not buying an Echo or any of it's satellites anytime soon.
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Oh come on. Get an echo and sit around plotting the overthrow of the government while all the spooks listen to you. Great entertainment!
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Oh come on. Get an echo and sit around plotting the overthrow of the government while all the spooks listen to you. Great entertainment!
I love you spying-belittlers... so charming with your strawman arguments. Btw, it's not just about "the government" these days - it could be anyone powerful or someone who cares enough to make your life miserable. It could be your insurance company that needs a reason to raise your rates.
Hell, it could be the average script-kiddie or extortionist who just wants another target to SWAT.
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Lighten up dude, laugh a little. It'll be alright.
Can't stand FireOS devices anyway... (Score:2)
My family has a few and I couldn't see myself ever tolerating Amazon's take on the interface for more than a couple of minutes...
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My family has a few and I couldn't see myself ever tolerating Amazon's take on the interface for more than a couple of minutes...
Cyanogenmod installs nicely on Amazon's hardware.
I own a Kindle Fire Reader. . . (Score:2)
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Kindle Fire has a lock screen. I have no idea what you think you're talking about, but it definitely supports local security (and, until the latest update, that included device encryption).
Prevention (Score:2)
Look at the Apple situation, there is no way for them to come out clean on this. Either they 1. already had a backdoor, 2. are going to lie about helping them get int 3. left so
Awesome! (Score:2)
It makes the devices easier to hack. Time to remove that stupid "special offers" advertising.
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Time to remove that stupid "special offers" advertising.
If you thought it was stupid, why didn't you buy the version for $20 more without the special offers?
Personally, I'm hoping they did away with the crypto on the bootloader. Hahahaha, yeah.
Really I think this is more about "stop buying our $40 android tablets and using them as Android tablets - they're just book readers!".
Is AWS next...or already open? (Score:3)
Just to ask an offtopic question . . . (Score:2)
Or Android?
Or Linux?
Or Windows phone? (oh, wait. Never mind)
Decryption is FORCED by March 22 2016? (Score:2)
Customers using an outdated software version on Kindle e-readers require an important software update by March 22, 2016 in order to continue to download Kindle books from the Cloud, access the Kindle Store, and use other Kindle services on their device.
Well, so much for that... (Score:2)
I *was* considering a kindle.
Now I'll either get a Nook or just a regular table (maybe an iPad, given the Apple kerfluffle)
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Are you looking for an e-ink reader or an LCD one?
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Who makes E-Ink readers besides Amazon?
Is Kobo still around?
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B&N does. The Nook has an eInk version that's comparable to the Kindle. It works pretty well for sideloading books from Project Guttenburg.
There's an initial boot-up set of magic taps that puts you in some special recovery/testing/debugging mode that... does something I would look up. And I think you can root it to stock Android if you really want to.
Now the FBI will know what you're reading (Score:2)
Aha! An ALGEBRA book! An Arab name for a weapon of math instruction.
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You're trying to divide us, aren't you? You figure what divides us, multiplies all you Akbars on the other side. Well, let me simplify this for you: we don't need your stinking al-gebra. We just count on our fingers. :P
You didn't notice that Amazon was EVIL yet? (Score:2)
Considering that Amazon's business model is centered on destroying your privacy, why are you surprised as they strip your last shreds of protection?
Personal story:
For about 8 months now some troll has been abusing my name and Gmail address with a fake Amazon account. There have been various fake bills and ebook loans and of course reams of troll-related spam directly from Amazon.
I did NOT validate my Gmail address for Amazon's use, and one of their so-called customer reps actually slipped up and admitted th
Re:You didn't yet notice that Amazon was EVIL? (Score:2)
Corrected Subject: above. Even the Preview is not sufficient...
Maybe I should have said "supremely EVIL", but there is so much competition for that title among various fabulously profitable companies.
So just root your own kindle... (Score:2)
Nobody cares until it's gone (Score:2)
If you actually read the article, what they said was that nobody was using it, so they killed the feature. Now that it's gone, everybody seems to want it back!
I wonder just how many slashdotters actually have a Kindle. My guess is most go for devices attached to the Google Play Store instead.
Re: No Surprise (Score:1)
It doesn't just affect the sheeple, it sets a precedant. Now the three-letter agencies can say "look Apple, Amazon got rid of encryption and they're doing fine!"
Re: No Surprise (Score:5, Insightful)
It doesn't just affect the sheeple, it sets a precedant. Now the three-letter agencies can say "look Apple, Amazon got rid of encryption and they're doing fine!"
Perhaps that might work for the average idiot, but someone with half a brain can easily argue that you could remove the locks from your front door and then turn a blind eye to anything bad that might happen. "Look, that citizen got rid of their locks, and they're doing just fine!"
Not for long applies to both idiotic "solutions".
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When trump is elected president, morons will rule the world and we all can act the same way.
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If "doing fine" means being a third class player in the mobile market despite having a huge infrastructure ready to support it then sure...
The Kindle is kind of popular but that's just an eReader. Not something you put personal data on.
Re: No Surprise (Score:5, Insightful)
When we talk about personal data, we mean the union of private personally identifiable information (name, address, phone number, SSN) and information that users create. A credit card number is neither.
You do enter your name when you buy something with a card, but that's the least private piece of PII, and is likely to be present on any device you own anyway, making that not personal data in any meaningful sense except when combined with other private data, such as browsing habits.
A credit card number is a disposable identifier. It identifies your account, not you, and is valid only until the card number is canceled due to theft or whatever. And your liability in the event of theft is zero. This makes CCN theft a problem for CC companies and vendors, but not really a concern for you as the user.
With that said, I do disagree with the original poster for different reasons. There is a definite privacy impact here. People's reading choices can be very personal, and there is enough PII to at least potentially identify the owner (name plus the location where the device was found/stolen). When you combine that with someone's penchant for reading stories about [insert regionally taboo topic here] and their copy of the Anarchist Cookbook, you suddenly know more than any third party rightfully should know about someone even without having what most people would think of as "personal data".
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Anyone that uses the word sheeple should be ignored.
Not even in a pissy "how dare you call anyone that" way. But a practical matter. Basically, if you think someone who chooses differently than you must be a sheep, you don't have any idea how to understand someone else's reasoning, you have no skill or interest in modelling them as a human, so therefore you offer nothing to that person.
Re: No Surprise (Score:2)
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Is there a Morocco Mole?
Re:No Surprise (Score:4, Insightful)
I buy their books on occasion, but I won't be buying any of their hardware.
But clearly the pressure is on. The FBI and other investigative and intelligence agencies worldwide want to make you safer by making your data more vulnerable.
This is what happens when you let idiots and sociopaths into positions of power.
What is encrypted on these devices? (Score:5, Insightful)
I've been looking through TFA and related material, but I'm still trying to figure out what this actually means in practice. What data, on an e-book reader, is usefully encrypted anyway? This is a genuine question, as I don't have any sort of Kindle. Perhaps there is integration with payment services or personal accounts of some kind? If so, does this mean anyone who installs this "upgrade" and then has their device stolen would have some significant credentials compromised?
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Re:What is encrypted on these devices? (Score:4, Informative)
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You do know that Kindles, past Kindle NT, are just gutted android tablets, right?
If you manage to check your mail and use apps on a Kindle 1 - 4, please let me know.
Re:What is encrypted on these devices? (Score:5, Informative)
the kindles running fire os are android tablets. it's just a name for their fork.
I think they quit paying whoever was providing them with that or it's not compatible with new kernel and they can't be bothered to fix it.
Re:What is encrypted on these devices? (Score:4, Insightful)
I own a third generation Kindle e-reader (I believe it's the last one that had an actual keyboard).
A few weeks ago, I received an email from Amazon stating that there was a required device update; and, if I didn't apply it, as of March 22 I would no longer be able to get e-books sent to my Kindle or use any other Kindle services. The letter didn't mention encryption at all.
Thing is, with Kindle e-books it's always been pretty easy to strip the DRM - when I buy one, it's always the first thing I do... then a copy goes onto a backup disk. I wonder if they're changing the way they "protect" their e-books? If so, they'll be losing this customer - I don't purchase electronic-only media if I don't have full control of it.
On a side note - my Kindle is jailbroken, and it won't apply this new update unless I allow it.
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I haven't purchased an eBook from Amazon in a while. Mainly use Kobo and Google Play these days, both of which use Adobe's DRM, which is trivial to break. It's not so much about owning a copy so much as it is trivially easy for them to remove books from their catalogue and then, kaboom, one day, you open your reader and it's disappeared. Besides, I use FBReader these days, which is far more configurable than the "brand name" reading apps.
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I find the prices comparable. Sometimes Amazon has slightly better prices, but usually only a buck or two at most. I so no reason you can't use the decrypted devices on any eReader. Of course, without decryption, whatever device you use is going to have to support Google Play and Google's e-reader.
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This has nothing to do with the e-Ink reader. It's only for the Fire line.
Re: What is encrypted on these devices? (Score:2)
Kindles aren't simple epaper devices any more. If that's what you think when you here kindle, erase that from your memory and think "low end android tablet with an Amazon App Store instead of Play".
Now ask yourself what valuable data people store on their tablets.
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Ah, so you hated Amazon back when they were underground. Nerd-hipsterism is a funny looking beast.
Re: Be One Of Us! (Score:5, Insightful)
or not.
Amazon wasn't exactly making inroads into the consumer market anyway.
now a stolen device will destroy your life they are worth less than nothing.
Actually, this is a good point. So if you have an Amazon phone (all four of you), you may well want to start shopping for a new one - probably today. No idea who would put sensitive info on their Kindle, though...
Now the fun question is, do they still have DRM/encryption on all their eBooks? I'm betting the answer to that is probably 'yes'.
Re: Be One Of Us! (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course they have DRM still. They just made a decision that protecting the publisher's data is more important than protecting the customer's data.
Re: Be One Of Us! (Score:4, Insightful)
Let me fix that for you...
> They just made a decision that protecting the customer's data is more important than protecting consumer's data.
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I've purchased 5 or 6 Kindles over the years, primarily as a result of loss or breakage. I got a couple of spares when they eliminated the last design with buttons.
In all that time, after having read several hundred books on those devices, I have never yet bought an e-book from Amazon. I still buy a ton of p-books from them, but I get my e-books elsewhere and use Calibre to convert and transfer them.
My Kindles are not allowed to know my wifi password. Along with my smart-tv.
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Credit card numbers are not on the Kindle. However, your Amazon user ID and passcode is. Which is actually worse.
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jolla.com
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Never going to happen.
The idiots currently in charge of the company are too invested in slobbing the Google knob to actually do something smart with their company.
Re:Sources? (Score:5, Informative)
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