Russian Man Extradited To US For Heartland, Dow Jones Cyberattacks 88
itwbennett writes: A Russian man accused of high-profile cyberattacks on Nasdaq, Dow Jones, Heartland Payment Systems and 7-Eleven has been extradited to the U.S. and appeared in court in Newark, New Jersey on Tuesday. Vladimir Drinkman, 34, of Syktyykar and Moscow, Russia was charged for his alleged role in a data theft conspiracy that targeted major corporate networks and stole more than 160 million credit card numbers, the U.S. Department of Justice said in a press release. Drinkman appeared Tuesday in U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey and entered a plea of not guilty to the 11 counts he faces. His trial is scheduled to begin in April.
So, we got our agent back? (Score:1)
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You watch too much TV
Re:Expanding jurisdictions (Score:4, Insightful)
While not a fan of anything much the US does. The US did not arrest him, he was arrested elsewhere, the US has to prove a case is valid in the local courts for extradition to occur. This is EXACTLY how things should be working, assuming no corruption was involved in the extradition trial.
Re:Expanding jurisdictions (Score:4, Informative)
I suggest you go and inform yourself, the agreements are NOT the same, the Netherlands requires the extradition to be reviewed under dutch laws by a dutch court. The dutch have refused extraditions from the US before on grounds that the case is without merit or that they believe the person will be mistreated by US system.
Re:Expanding jurisdictions (Score:4, Interesting)
I misclicked and mismoderated your comment. Undo.
On-topic: not only that, but in this specific case there was also an extradition request from Russia which was quite strange, which ensured that the entire case was covered in the national media. There was a lot of suspicion that the extradition request from Russia was just to ensure he could get out of jail, using his ill-gotten profits to buy himself off.
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No they aren't the same (though many are based on the same European extradition agreement). most countries do not just rubber stamp US requests like the UK does.
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well I picked up the NETHERLANDS extradition agreement (available through google if you bothered before commenting) and as expected you are full of shit. Netherlands requires the extradition request to be reviewed by the court (unless the person has agreed to a simplified extradition). The Netherlands also has a history of REFUSING extradition requests from the US that it determines are without merit. You can also do many searches and see that the dutch court did review and approve the extradition.
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Wikipedia has a nice list of countries with whom the USA has extradition treaties and there are associated PDFs.
I know that the CIA has indeed kidnapped people (extraordinary rendition is the sanitized name) from Western countries, and those countries were none too happy about it.
Normally, it's possible to fight extradition in a court. In fact, there are lawyers who specialize in this sort of thing.
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TFA:
Drinkman and Smilianets were arrested at the request of the DOJ while traveling in the Netherlands in June 2012.
Let me guess, was this an all expense paid Tour of the Netherlands that Drinkman's email address Won?
Extradition? (Score:3, Interesting)
I couldn't tell from the story - was he actually extradited by Russia? If so, I'm really surprised they're welling to extradite anyone to us these days.
Re:Extradition? (Score:5, Informative)
TFA makes clear that he was arrested/detained in The Netherlands, so he was presumably extradited from there.
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Yes, somehow I missed that when reading it.
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My first thought? Snowden's fucked.
No individual on the planet benefits less from a thawing of US/Soviet relations.
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Thanks that's indeed informative. Amazing nobody thought this information should be in TFS. Reading the summary, the obvious question was: what? a Russian citizen is extradited to the US? From Russia??
You don't see the beauty of it?
You and I both clicked on the story. Devilishly clever.
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What part of "extradited" did you not understand? No, he wasn't "nabbed" without process.
He was arrested in The Netherlands, and the Dutch agreed to extradite him.
Reading. Comprehension.
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Clearly I missed that detail from the story, but your response was extremely rude. I think you owe me an apology.
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Re:Extradition? (Score:5, Funny)
I think you owe me an apology.
You must be new here.
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Who the fuck creates a new account when they change employers?
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Who the fuck creates a new account when they change employers?
People who don't like getting sued if they talk about their old employer.
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Court orders to /. would still give up your info. I've seen it happen to former coworkers.
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What part of "extradited" did you not understand?
It wasn't the "extradited" part that the GP had a problem with.
He was arrested in The Netherlands, and the Dutch agreed to extradite him.
The absence of this from the summary is what led the GP to ask his quite reasonable question.
No, he wasn't "nabbed" without process.
The GP never implied that he might have been.
Reading. Comprehension.
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You're supposed to read the actual article before opening your yap.
And, as others have noted, ..tse would have been rude. I was relatively nice, but unforgivingly direct. I mean, not even Linus-rude. Heck, I might not even have been Matz-rude, and that's not very rude! It's /. Respect the culture.
Yes, he did. He asked if the guy
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You're supposed to read the actual article before opening your yap.
It's /. Respect the culture.
Or what?
First you say people should be reading the article, then you say /. culture should be respected. Those are mutually exclusive!
Yes, he did. He asked if the guy was "actually" extradited.
He said "Was he actually extradited by Russia" which doesn't imply that due process wasn't followed.
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I'd really love to see how much people accept the "process" if a US individual is arrested in the Netherlands to be sent on trial to Russia.
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Don't worry! As a US citizen living abroad, I can guarantee you that the US government does not give a shit about us. In fact, they regard us as little more than traitors or tax-dodgers (which is pretty much the same thing).
When other countries' citizens get into trouble, their governments will at least make a gesture to help. I've seen it - Sweden, Britain, Italy...they actually send consular representatives out to investigate, attend trials, etc. I talked with them and it turns out this is their job
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you must be reading some other article, it specifically states there were arrested and extradited from Netherlands. They were arrested when travelling there.
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yeah, sorry, I'm not sure how I missed that. Must be time for me to go to bed.
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Either way, I don't think he'll be getting any Slurpees where he's going.
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Great catch (Score:1)
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Yep, expect him to get a well deserved 50 years for a non violent crime
Meanwhile, murders get 25 years.
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Yep, expect him to get a well deserved 50 years for a non violent crime
Meanwhile, murders get 25 years.
It's a good thing he didn't have any pot, he'd be facing life.
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Could we hang someone else? Or a bunch?
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That last name is actually Jewish :) The Russian last names end in "ov", "in" and "yn" IIRC.
Shared responsibilities (Score:5, Insightful)
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Or banks for being robbed...
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A more apt comparison would be arresting a surgeon for failing to stitch up his patient.
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Well, they warn weathermen in NK they could be executed for giving the wrong forecasts! Depending on where you are in the world, it might be a possibility...
http://jonathanturley.org/2014... [jonathanturley.org]
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And as soon as seismologists can avoid earthquakes by doing a better job, your comparison could even be considered sensible.
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Re:Shared responsibilities (Score:4, Informative)
Yeah guy who forgets to lock his door or even is careless to never lock hiis door should be also prosecuted when his hows id burgled.
We are not talking about locking a door, we're talking about implementing basic IT security. Locking your door is not a job. Implementing security is. When a web site fails the basic SQL injection test, the first thing a hacker looks at, there is clearly a problem at all steps of the site development.
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Your basic premise is that nobody should be allowed to legally make a website w/o "implementing basic IT security", correct? Because if they get hacked, they should be punished.
Yes, that makes perfect sense...in some small minded world.
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Over here he is. For "facilitating a crime".
Your point being?
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SQL injection? Shouldn't the "victims" be prosecuted also, for poor IT management?
No, because poor IT management isn't a crime.
Poor software authoring isn't a crime either. Imagine if unpaid open source contributors were held liable for bugs.
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No.
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No.
Maybe I should take a bit more time to answer. And, maybe, the term prosecution is stronger than necessary in this context.
However. What happens here, and that's also true for the Sony hacking over the past years, is that those big companies neglect their IT teams. Big time. IT is not a profession anymore, IT is a disposable tool. While sitting in the middle of decision makers and sales, IT engineering and development - in these companies - is relegated to some utilities, like haulage. No much effort is pu
Should have stayed in Russia (Score:2)
Given the state of Russia-USA relations, they probably would have given him a medal. His buddies have so far been smart enough to avoid getting arrested in a country with whom the USA has an extradition treaty.
"Kalinin, Kotov and Rytikov remain at large."
Neither the article, nor the linked PCworld article say much about how they identified these guys by name. I'd be curious to know.
In Soviet Russia... (Score:2)
Will anybody be so kind to post a proof link of any American extradited to Russia?
Name: Drinkman (Score:1)
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And the city name Syktyvkar is a conjugation of the words "Sick", "Thief" and "Guy" in norwegian. Drinkman from Sick-thief-guy. Just sayin'