Putting the Squeeze On Broadband Copper Robbers 282
nk497 writes "As the price of copper rises, thieves have taken to stealing broadband cables, taking out internet connections and slowing down the rollout of super-fast broadband by giving engineers more work to do. To battle the criminals, UK provider BT has 21 investigators on staff to track down thieves and has started using SmartWater bombs that spray stolen property and the criminals. The SmartWater liquid carries a DNA fingerprint that links a criminal to the scene of the crime and police units carrying ultra-violet light detectors can use the incriminating stains to make an arrest after the trap has been sprung. 'We had one case recently where someone in Dagenham was stopped and searched after acting suspiciously and the police used a UV light on them and could show that they had been tampering with the equipment,' said Auguste. The SmartWater liquid can also be pasted inside cables, making them easier to trace — and less appealing to scrap metal buyers, helping to cut demand for stolen copper."
Perhaps (Score:5, Insightful)
Perhaps move to fiber should be considered
Re:Perhaps (Score:5, Insightful)
We had one case recently where someone in Dagenham was stopped and searched after acting suspiciously.
When will people learn to stop acting suspiciously after they do something they aren't supposed to do?
If someone were to try to rip out newly-installed fiber, would they walk around pointing to their glasses?
Mod Parent Up (Score:5, Interesting)
It applies to most things, if you don't want somebody executing a felony arrest warrant on you, the easiest way to avoid that is by not driving like an idiot. It's not fool proof, but it's the most common way for those arrest warrants to lead to an arrest.
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I walked out of Sainsbury's with a bottle of whisky that the cashier hadn't taken the tag off of. I just pretended that nothing had happened and continued on my merry way without being challenged. It probably helped that I was drunk at the time.
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It depends on what country you are in but for some false arrest can cost 1000's. Couple this with the fact that many different stores even libraries use the same kinds of tag and the detectors cannot tell the difference.
The detectors going off are not detecting a theft but usually just the presence of a tag quite possibly a tag from a completely different store.
So for store security the detectors are mostly a waste of time, its security theatre and it is up to the individual to cooperate with it or not. It
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"Obviously they're a felon! ...a witch! Burn her!"
Burn? Vote for her!
Re:Perhaps (Score:5, Insightful)
When will people learn to stop acting suspiciously after they do something they aren't supposed to do?
A large subset of thieves (and many other types of criminals) are also stupid, or have low self-control. If you can control yourself and are reasonably smart, you can probably profit more through various less risky legal means.
Re:Perhaps (Score:5, Insightful)
Very relevant point indeed. An argument I often have with the hard-on-crime lot. They propose punishments would deter them - but they are not criminals in the first place. The real criminals are, all too often, stupid and/or ill educated and/or have mental health problems and/or addiction problems. A system tuned to deterring comfortable middle glass good (in law at least) citizens simply doesn't work against the kind of people who commit 95% of crime. But it is those middle-class voters who set the legal agenda.
Re:Perhaps (Score:4, Funny)
You mean flashers and rapists?
Yes, I deliberately ignored the second hyphen for attempted comic effect.
Well, that doesn't mean being hard on it is useles (Score:3, Insightful)
So you can look at your justice system as having three goals, in order:
1) Deterrence. The first and foremost goal is to have consequences so that people simply don't do shit they aren't supposed to. You try to deter as many people as possible by saying "If you do this, we punish you," and hopefully people say "Well I don't wanna be punished, I'm not going to do that." When that doesn't work you move on to:
2) Rehabilitation. You make good on the threat, you punish them. You try and make it so that, having ex
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Perhaps move to fiber should be considered
Perhaps people shouldn't be stealing what they don't own...
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Silly person! I can't steal what I do own, can I?
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Won't stop them from trying.
About 10 years ago,cable modems across Ontario (Canada) were knocked off the AtHome network. Thieves dug up and cut the fibre thinking it was copper, then tried again with the backup.
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Re:Perhaps (Score:4, Funny)
Perhaps move to fiber should be considered
Having that much trouble shitting?
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By the time the thieves realise that they have the wrong type of cable they are likely to have damaged if not completly severed it.
Enhance! (Score:3, Funny)
Why get in so much trouble?
Can't they just enhance a Google Maps photo?
Copper broadband? (Score:5, Insightful)
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There's a simple explanation to that: In the 90ies it was discovered that the maximum carrier frequency of fiber optics is around 1-2 GHz, while there's new milestones been reached over copper wire every couple of years.
This may surprise you, but some time has passed since the 90s. DWDM has been demoed to carry 400Gb/s on one fiber and Lucent's making noises about raising the bar to 600 Gb/s. 20 Gb/s multiplexers for fiber are relatively cheap and are becoming ubiquitous.
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There's a simple explanation to that: In the 90ies it was discovered that the maximum carrier frequency of fiber optics is around 1-2 GHz
We have gone a bit higher than that, 10 gigabit over a single optical transciever is perfectly doable these days.
However, it is being researched whether partial waves and multiple colors (wavelengths) can be used to increase fiber bandwith
WDM is here and now, we even have optical amplifiers that can amplify the signals without splitting them out. Downside is that WDM gear
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We have gone a bit higher than that, 10 gigabit over a single optical transciever is perfectly doable these days.
Ah ok, I haven't followed the developments in the past couple of years.
Really?! care to provide a citation for that? All the searches i've done for VDSL-50 seem to reffer to 50 megabit products. (...) Again if true please provide a citation for this, it sounds like you have mixed up megabits and gigabits
Ah ... I'm terribly sorry, I guess I'm a bit tired ... of course I was referring to Mbit not Gbit!
Smart water? (Score:4, Funny)
The SmartWater liquid carries DNA
So now we're calling it smart water?
Also, eeeeew! eeew! God why! eeeew!
And also, the marketing concept of "smart drink" has just gone to hell.
And finally. "Smart water? Who came with that idea?"
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And finally. "Smart water? Who came with that idea?"quote>
Ever heard of Masaru Emoto? [wikipedia.org]
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no, had never heard of him. So basically Emoto has wasted his life on stupidity, and convinced others to do the same. sad.
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On the plus side, Smart Water bottles themselves are a great size/form factor with heavier plastic than most brands - I bought a case for that reason. Sort of like "disposable" Tupperware.
Scum Bags (Score:2)
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Stories like this warm my heart and give me confidence that there is still justice in the universe:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/state/Man_electrocuted_in_copper_wire_theft.html [mysanantonio.com]
http://www.kens5.com/news/Man-loses-arms-and-legs-in-copper-theft-83398667.html [kens5.com]
Even if a copper wire thief isn't killed, if they are caught this should be their punishment anyway. Strip the insulation off of a 100ft extension cord, wrap them in it from head to toe, remove the magnetic breaker and shove some bus wire in its place,
Re:Scum Bags (Score:5, Funny)
I'll be sure never to take YOUR sandwich from the office refrigerator...
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That would be wise, since at random intervals I place a decoy sandwich in that fridge, with a few fish hooks hidden between the lettuce and the cheese.
Oh good God... (Score:2)
a few fish hooks hidden between the lettuce and the cheese.
There's no "+1 Twisted and sick, don't fuck with this guy" mod, so I figured I'd reply instead.
Well done sir.
Re:Scum Bags (Score:4, Insightful)
In Saudi Arabia a man would have his right hand amputated if caught stealing.
Do you think having both arms and legs amputated is a more just punishment?
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It's extremely disruptive when they steal the signalling cables from a big railway junction (potentially tens to hundreds of thousands of people's journey to work delayed or cancelled).
Simple solution (Score:5, Interesting)
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The delay also lets the power and telco companies come around and retrieve their stolen goods before they get shipped off or melted down.
By the time stolen wiring gets to a scrap dealer it is generally in no state to be used for its original purpose. The only way it'd be worth retrieving is if it was wire/cable still on the original spool with undamaged insulation. And any scrap dealer that would even think of buying that knows damn well that they are buying stolen materials. Ditto when some twitchy methhead shows up with hundreds of pounds of copper wiring that got "burned up in a fire" or a similar amount of nice shiny household copper
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Then we can look forwards to the desperation type thieves moving on to mugging us instead of just taking metal off of our buildings.
Get used to more and more crime, as our economy continues to unravel, more of the middle class is pushed into poverty, and much more of the population becomes desperate. And of course the people in charge will attempt to solve this problem by spending more on law enforcement and building new prisons while proudly claiming how tough they are on crime, when we'd get a better retu
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Do the same for scrap metal dealers what they do here for pawnshops. Put a four week hold on all payments. Payment by cheque only, mailed to the name and address of the government ID of the person selling the scrap metal. Discourages 90% of the "disorganized" (i.e. drug addicts and homeless) opportunistic or desperation type theft. The delay also lets the power and telco companies come around and retrieve their stolen goods before they get shipped off or melted down.
Whenever I've sold scrap metal in the US, they've taken down my vehicle and driver's license number and cut me a check. And they're unwilling to buy building materials without some documentation of their provenance. Naturally, some scrap dealers must be rather less ethical and law-abiding than those I've dealt with, because copper guttering still gets ripped off churches.
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Do the same for scrap metal dealers what they do here for pawnshops. Put a four week hold on all payments.
Huh, sounds like it's time to get into the scrap metal fencing business...
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Just record the transaction. No need to wait.
Re:Simple solution (Score:4, Insightful)
what they do here for pawnshops. Put a four week hold on all payments.
That sucks. Half the point of a pawn shop is "oh shit, I have to pay rent in 2 days but don't get paid for 4!" A short term loan where you get to choose your collateral (and which, if you default on, they're not going to come after your house or whatever).
Hmm... (Score:3, Funny)
This sounds like something out of a mother's-basement-dweller's worst nightmare!
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Since we're slashvertising, I had a bit of a play with Smartwater several years ago - it's actually very good stuff. Essentially, they've figured out a way to put a long unique code into UV reflective paste (which is pretty hard to clean off stuff - although not impossible, so it's best to put it in hard-to-reach places). You slap it onto anything you want to protect; the police can find
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"The Smartwater people keep your particular code unique for as long as you pay them rental of it."
That statement has a logical inconsistency. Either it's unique or it's not. I'd be pretty peeved if I was their customer, and found out the prosecution of someone stealing from me got screwed up because 5 years ago, a different customer was using the same code, stopped paying for it, and they re-assigned the code to me. If the code is sufficiently long, there is no reason for them to ever ever re-use a code. We
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We're talking DNA encoding, right?
No. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SmartWater [wikipedia.org]
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They claim [wired.com] to be able to encode over 10 billion unique values, so I doubt they plan ever to reuse codes -- they'll improve the product or go out of business long before they get 10 billion sales. The fee is probably to pay for using their lab to check for matches (also, it's far more lucrative than a one-time fee). So... I'm also curious what they do if they find a match that's not being paid for. Ethically, it would be nice if they told the police. From a business perspective, they don't want customers to
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and can get the unique code by asking the Smartwater boffins to analyse it.
They trained birds to analyze DNA coded paste? Not the method I would employ but it's damned impressive.
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How long do you think it will be before people 'mask' murder as 'defending their property'. I believe in a justice system where criminals are tried based upon evidence presented to a jury of 12 members of the community, not people killing other people when their life (or *someones* life) is not in immediate jeopardy. Also, how do you, all-knowing one, know whether a man is stealing for survival or stealing 'for pleasure'?
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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but the OP sounded like he was talking about 'on-the-spot justice' where you alone act as police, judge, jury, and executioner. If you just think we should allow courts to use capital punishment for theft, that's a bit different discussion.
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You can move to South Africa :)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/232777.stm [bbc.co.uk]
Re:Stealing for pleasure versus necessity (Score:5, Insightful)
If I steal your 52" plasma screen TV and fence it, I can feed myself for a month at least.
What I steal isn't the issue. Why I steal it isn't either. A homeless person stealing your TV is no less serious than a couple of chavs out with his mates doing the same thing. Theft is theft. If we looked after the homeless and less well off, we wouldn't have them stealing our stuff. At that point, we'd only have the opportunist and the greedy, which could well be dealt with by the methods you outlined. However, we need to care for the needy first.
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However, we need to care for the needy first.
Communist! Class warfare! Hitler!
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The idea that we as a society need to care for the needy isn't really a bad one. The idea that the government needs to care for the needy is ridiculous. The idea that "We" need to "Care for the Needy" referencing the government is socialism (the concept of the government being "We" as opposed to a public servant, etc... The "Peoples'" Republic of China, you know?).
What we need is an honor system like old Eastern philosophies had. One where we care more about honor and philosophy than money and economics
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Good call, then, when your daughter does something to dishonour the family, you can just kill her!
You mean like when your daughter becomes a hooker and you disown her and never talk to her again? Then she becomes addicted to drugs and nobody is ever there to help her, and then she dies at 25 in the street....
You're failing to consider that peoples' attitude changes with culture. Societies that put a lot of money on personal honor are filled with people that seek work or worth, people that feel they don't have the right to die because they owe someone a debt and if they don't pay it then it's just a
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Ahh, I see you completely missed my point. So I'll be explicit:
You have an idiotic, simplistic, idealized view of eastern societies in general, and "honour-based societies" in particular. Your views on these cultures betray your life as a basement dweller idealizing Klingons and ninjas in bad action films. Your views are no more grounded or realistic than The Karate Kid, and are about as useful in dealing with the real life problems of American society as the Crane Kick is in a street fight.
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I don't watch TV.
The world around me is very, very sick. That much is clear; but it's sick on the level of individuals, not just on "TEH GUBERMANS ARE CURRUPT!" It's sick on the level of 1984, and of reading 1984: people cite 1984 as an example of government corruption, but they mainly miss the behavior of people in the party; and more importantly, they miss the importance of the social consciousness of the proles. The proles reflect our current society, on the individual level: complaining about th
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The irony of the accusation that letting people use serious force to defend their property is a form of barbarism is that the unlawful taking of property, especially when it damages entire parts of the community, is a real form of barbarism. Basic crime is a rejection of civil society.
The idea that use of force in defense of your property is somehow bad is barbarianism. Old Japanese culture rested a lot on honor and dignity and such shit; whereas Western culture was always economics. We see value in human life, and we translate that into value in protecting life, and then into person: not only is it seen as a "loss" if you kill someone, but it's also a serious loss for society if you give them a sound but relatively harmless thrashing (even a broken arm will heal; bruises and bleedin
Mmm, Smartwater. (Score:2)
Meanwhile, in the USA, Smartwater is something very different indeed [glaceau.com]!
My Dad told me this (Score:2)
As he was building up a wireless network in Indonesia. He told be, if they put copper up, someone would steal it.
On the other hand, he worked for RCA in New Jersey. The location put up a chained linked fence. And that got stolen.
Who the hell steals a fence? Ok, his name is Tony . . . .
Soooooo...... (Score:5, Funny)
So, I mess with your package, and I get sprayed with a florescent liquid containing DNA.
I hope they don't try to patent this, as I think there may be prior art.
Re:Soooooo...... (Score:4, Funny)
I think you should maybe see a doctor... :P
Line test... (Score:2, Informative)
For a while now, thieves in the UK have been testing whether an access pit contains copper or fibre by chucking a bit of petrol and a match in. If it burns green, they've hit the jackpot, they put it out and pinch the copper cabling. Otherwise they just sod off and leave it burning. Nice.
Collect the water! (Score:2)
But Copper theft is down? (Score:2)
Wait, industry reports from radio to railroad have been been saying that copper theft is down because copper is also down.
Whom am I supposed to believe?
So... (Score:2)
how do the coppers cope with copper capers?
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With caution.
Tinfoil applied: Theory follows (Score:2)
Ok, this worrys me a bit if used in another application.
What if this were used to mark protesters at a rally?
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And that's quicker, easier, cheaper, more permanent and less likely to be protested against (in the media I mean) than just photographing/filming the protesters how?
"SmartWater" (Score:2)
The SmartWater liquid carries a DNA fingerprint that links a criminal to the scene of the crime and police units carrying ultra-violet light detectors can use the incriminating stains to make an arrest after the trap has been sprung.
That's why my kids drink SmartWater at breakfast. Just in case..
Copper (Score:2)
Wants to be free~
Well that's easy to fix (Score:2)
Somebody tried to steal copper wire from my house (Score:2, Informative)
Fighting copper theft is mostly pointless (Score:3, Insightful)
It is too easy. In Arizona most people have their electric panel outside the house. That means by opening the panel you gain access to pounds of copper - you just have to pull real hard.
Similarly, neighborhoods have park land with lights. The wiring connecting these to power to extremely vulnerable and has been stolen in a number of locations. Of course, nobody is talking about this because they don't want to encourage people.
The problem is going to get worse. When you have bands of people that have little to lose, why not try to steal some wires. The scrap metal dealers are sufficiently isolated from the criminal acts that they really don't care where the wire came from, especially if it isn't obviously a spool of cable that might have been stolen. So you can fill up a pickup truck with wire scraps and make $100 or more.
Any construction site is fair game. Any park with lights is a target. Homes that aren't in some gated subdivision are pretty easy as well. Parks near my house have been victimized, one has been hit twice. And this is going to generally be considered to be a victimless crime - nobody got hurt and whatever was destroyed was probably insured.
Even if they put up enough dummy cameras and a few live ones to make people think twice about this, there are plenty of sources. How much copper do you think is in the average car?
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Around here they've actually stolen trailers just to haul copper away, so it's not like they're just stealing a hundred meters or so, they're stealing a lot of it (although those stealing trailers have apparently stolen entire rolls of copper wire rather than copper wire already in the ground).
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(although those stealing trailers have apparently stolen entire rolls of copper wire rather than copper wire already in the ground).
This.
I used to work summers as an electricians helper. The electricians would haul around big copper spools in trailers and the back of their trucks. Trailers loaded with copper would disappear every now and then if left unattended at a job site. I have no idea how much they would get for it, it seems like it would be pretty obvious what's going on when they try to sell that brand new 1/2 ton spool of copper to a scrapper, but it happened.
We used to make a good pile of cash on the side though. Whenever
Yes, but most crime does not pay well (Score:4, Informative)
Crime does NOT pay all that well. Your car is NOT worth the money you paid for it. The moment you drive it out of the shop, it looses a lot of its value. Same with that gold ring. To a thief, it is even worth less because these things can only be sold to fences.
2nd hand copper is a legit trade. Tons of the stuff gets processed all the time, so if I show up with a ton claiming I was demoloshing a factory and dug it up, who is going to ask questions.
It may not be worth all that much, but I get market price for it, not what some fence is willing to pay.
And most criminals never become rich anyway. Yes, stealing a ton of copper is hard work, but so is regular work for that level of education/skill. These aren't smart criminals. Just greedy. That is why so many of them end up paying the ultimate price. Death as they cut a life wire.
What other metals you can easily sell large quantities of do you know are lying around unguarded? People might notice if you start dismanting power pylons and ripping out railroad tracks takes far more effort then the overhead power cables.
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But in general, crime really doesn't pay as well as people think. Some crimes do, but most crimes aren't particularly lucrative. Bank robbery for instance would require a heist every month just to make ends meet. And that's assuming that things went successfully. The average bank robber makes very little money on each robbery. Banks got wise to it a long time a
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our car is NOT worth the money you paid for it. The moment you drive it out of the shop, it looses a lot of its value.
Actually, my car IS worth the money I paid for it, and the moment I drive it off the lot, it depreciates along a nice slow curve.
With respect to how I veiw the worth of my money and property. Why would I try to sell a car the moment I drove it off the lot? I determined that the car I was purchasing was worth the money I was giving for it, therefore, to me, it is worth exactly that.
That happened to my friend's relative... (Score:3, Informative)
That is why so many of them end up paying the ultimate price. Death as they cut a life wire.
I remember one day I was driving in to work listening to the radio and when they did the news stories I realized that I heard a familiar (and fairly unique) last name mentioned by the news lady. The next time the stories rolled around, it turned out that the story was that a would-be copper thief was electrocuted and died in the act, and he shared a last name with a very good friend of mine. Ironic, I thought.
A few days later, I'm visiting with my friend when he tells me that someone in his family died t [cleveland.com]
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Steeling copper telephone cables for their copper content is a pretty desperate crime - even at the spot price of copper quoted (the thief will be offered far less by the scrap-merchant) - they'd need to pinch an awful lot of it. There are surely much more lucrative metals to steel than this?
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Re:Economic opportunity (Score:5, Interesting)
Back when I was working as a mechanic, we had a guy that came around and bought up all our scrap. He was doing pretty well for himself...likely earning as much if not more than we were working in the shop. He ended up disappearing for a couple of months...when he returned, he said that he had been almost caught ripping copper out of a construction site (something he did regularly, apparently...which explains his lavish lifestyle given his collecting scrap life.)
He said he could make more money in a single copper run than he could in nearly three weeks worth of scrap collecting. I don't think opportunities or a lower income gap are the problems...I think it's an activity that pays really well compared to the effort required, at least if our old scrap guy is any indication.
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Alternatively we could legalize recycling of the broadband cables. A slogan: "Let's put it to a better use!"
Remember prohibition never worked in any war on anything. I am not an expert, but does anyone know any medicinal use of the broadband copper?
Of course that all depends on how broad is contraband of the broadband copper.
Re:Economic opportunity (Score:4, Insightful)
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Maybe if we had a lower income-gap, better paying jobs, and opportunity for people this wouldn't be such a problem?
Ah the Nativity of youth. I have two words for you. Jeffrey Archer [wikipedia.org].
Re:Economic opportunity (Score:4, Funny)
". . .Nativity . . ."
I don't think that word means what you think it means. I believe the word you are looking for is "naivety".
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What, you were never in the school Christmas play?
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He was the manger.
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You obviously haven't met my cousin Jack. You could give him a multi-million dollar job as a CEO and he would get fired the first day for stealing office supplies and selling them in the alley beside the building.
Most of the thieves I've known in my life weren't stealing because they lacked opportunity. They steal because they're life-long fuck-ups who have blown every opportunity that has ever been given to them.
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Most of the thieves I've known in my life weren't stealing because they lacked opportunity.
Two words for you: selection bias.
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How about we take this debate a little further?
If we jacked up wages significantly (say 80%), what whould happen?
- Would mothers quit work and stay home to actually *raise* their children?
- Would we keep on with two-income families and splurge on more crap, bigger houses, and better daycare so our brats would learn more sophisticated anti-social behavior?
- Would we just accept insane cell phone bills for uncapped data and unlimited texting, so our kids would be able to text and tweet instead of holding actu
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I have genuine sympathy for employers that make a good faith attempt at following the laws and engaging in fair play, but there's a huge amount of pressure created by Wall Street to cut corners and do things which
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So they can steal from their employers instead?
We call that economic transaction "wages", not stealing. The criminalization of poverty and the assumption that the poor are all thieves is just astounding.
Re:Economic opportunity (Score:4, Insightful)
I think what the parent's point is that many of these folks are doing this to make a living. When one has their backs against the wall, they do desperate things.
This is the typical bleeding heart argument. And poor drug dealers, they're just trying to make a living too.
You realize that a morally sound person will refuse to engage in this type of activity on principle, no matter how hard up they are? These people are the scum of the earth, their parents should never have had children because certainly they had no idea how to raise them. These opportunists are out to make a quick buck because they think the world owes them something, and they have no interest (or are probably amused by) the damage they cause to society. I'm just sad that because of bleeding heart like you we're not allowed to shoot them.
Re:Economic opportunity (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't believe that the parent said anything about not *blaming* the perpetrators for the crime. But punishment, in and of itself, is rarely a solution to anything- witness the perpetual failure that is the war on drugs.
It's perfectly reasonable to suggest that we investigate and attempt to fix the causes of crimes, *in addition* the punishing those caught perpetrating them.
The world is not black and white. Your "you must be a bleeding heart who's causing all our problems by not letting us shoot petty criminals" attitude is not a solution, it's part of the problem.
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There are actually quite a few morally questionable actions that are ignored everyday, performed by employees of corporations. Just because you have a legal job, doesn't mean you aren't screwing somebody over directly or part of a corporation that does it.
Not that this excuses thieves in general. Bad behavior is bad behavior.
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Yeah! Scum like Han Solo and Malcolm Reynolds!
Hmmm... I don't know any real world examples but I think sometimes when living in oppressive conditions a morally sound person will feel that doing what they can to harm that entity is right on principle.
I'm not SAYING it's right, but morals are quite grey and subjective.
Did Glen Beck brainwash you? (Score:2)
It's not bleeding heart. It's recognizing a fact.
It is well recognized that when against a wall, people do what they feel they need to survive. Dismissing that for no reason other then it isn't part of your ideology shows you aren't really a moral person,. Just a parrot that can only think long enough to repeat what it's master ahs said.
You, my friend, are the problem.
Why are people like you so bent on making this country a 3rd world hell hole?