What the DHS Knows About You 402
Sherri Davidoff writes "Here's a real copy of an American citizen's DHS Travel Record, retrieved from the US Customs and Border Patrol's Automated Targeting System and obtained through a FOIA/Privacy Act request. The document reveals that the DHS is storing: the traveler's credit card number and expiration; IP addresses used to make Web travel reservations; hotel information and itinerary; full airline itinerary including flight numbers and seat numbers; phone numbers including business, home, and cell; and every frequent flyer and hotel number associated with the traveler, even ones not used for the specific reservation."
Reminds me... (Score:5, Interesting)
Or maybe the US wants to finally catch up with the third world in unfriendliness.
Nothing special. This is a PNR (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:At least the probably don't know how to use it. (Score:5, Interesting)
Virtual Credit Card Number? (Score:3, Interesting)
PCI Compliance? (Score:4, Interesting)
As a person with a greencard (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Thank you Navy and EFF (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Reminds me... (Score:5, Interesting)
Well just so you know, I live in Belgium and if I want to get my paperwork to travel to the US I have to CALL the US embassy (I cannot just go there, no sir, we're all terrorist here in Europe, you see) and without so much as getting a human operator to respond, like to - I don't know, ask me what the hell I want - I just have to hand over my CC number so I can be charged xx dollars, just to get them to make an appointment.
I find that very disturbing, off putting and blatantly rude... It is not because the US can do that that it bloody should. I do not want to go to the US but sometimes the circumstances force me to, but when I do I am treated like a piece of s**t with no rights... It really makes me want to go through all the hassle of getting my visa, then canceling my card and getting a new one.
Re:Reminds me... (Score:5, Interesting)
Yeah, I liked travelling to the US better when all I had to do was check the correct boxes on the amusing green form:
[x] I am not a terrorist
[x] I am not planning a child abduction in the US
I visited the US before 9/11:
[x] I am not a communist
Other nuggets (Score:3, Interesting)
Seat numbers are clearly visible at the end of each flight segment as well.
The history of every PNR (personal name record) has ALWAYS been tracked by CRS systems.
Looks like the flights he was scheduled for had some schedule changes and his seat had to be changed also.
Certainly does a lot of international travel huh?
Customs and Immigration has always been interested in suspicious behavior though.
1. Fly to South America and pay cash for your ticket? Expect to be stopped at re-entry
2. Didn't eat your meal on the way back from Central or South America? Expect to be stopped at re-entry
3. Fly international more than twice a month? Expect to be stopped at re-entry
It's good ole profiling at it's best and there's nothing you can do about it. It's a "national security" issue. I speak from experience. I have been stopped 30 consecutive times on international flights. Every flight I ever took until that passport was renewed.
Re:PCI Compliance? (Score:3, Interesting)
Not exactly. Any business that processes credit cards has to be PCI compliant. That means truncating the credit card number or encrypting it. So any company that give the DHS access to unencrypted credit card numbers no longer PCI compliant and is liable for damages in the event of a breach (which this may be).
Re:As a person with a greencard (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:And people bitch about British intrusiveness. (Score:3, Interesting)
Question: How does any of this stop terrorism? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Every time I do that I wonder... (Score:5, Interesting)
In Atlanta, Ga I was pulled out of the line for an airport security, threatened and subjected to scrutiny which can only be characterized as "harassment"... for making this exact comment.
Re:As a person with a greencard (Score:3, Interesting)
So the only question remaining is: WHY?? I mean are there no better places in the whole world to go? Perhaps even some place with friendly people and fair jobs?
Re:Thank you Navy and EFF (Score:2, Interesting)
meal preferences (Score:4, Interesting)
Do they flag:
kosher = maybe friend
halal = terrorist
vegan = hippie scum
Re:Hush, citizen. (Score:5, Interesting)
Does it affect who wins on American Idol? (Score:2, Interesting)
Too bad most of the sheeple will just yawn and pick their noses when they're told about this. People with enough sense to be nervous about this level of government intrusion into the lives of law-abiding citizens will be laughed at.
And if I hear one more idiot say, "If you aren't doing anything wrong, what are you worried about", I'm going to invite the cowardly moron to move to Communist China, where he'll feel right at home.
Re:Reminds me... (Score:1, Interesting)
Funny you say that. I live in England on a non-EU passport. When I want to go to Belgium I have to call a premium rate number (no not an 0800 or a local call, but a premium rate number). I pay while they take their time to answer. When they do I have to hand over my CC number so I can be charged xx euro, just to get them to make an appointment.
Re:Does it affect who wins on American Idol? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Every time I do that I wonder... (Score:5, Interesting)
Last time I was in India (Oct of 2001), they were using a standard metal detector with a two stair step in the center that raised you up enough to check your feet without requiring you to remove your shoes. Its probably too simple a solution for the U.S. though.
Re:Reminds me... (Score:1, Interesting)
The keyword there being debts. Just like retail stores can legally decline to accept certain denominations of bills for a purchase, I'm sure DHS could also come up with a reason that avoids that pesky phrase.
Re:Reminds me... (Score:3, Interesting)
Well, lying on that form is a crime. So if you come into the country under false pretenses, they can legally arrest you, whereas I'm not sure what legal standing the US has to prosecute, say war crimes committed in Bosnia.