Ohio Investigating Possible Vote Machine Tampering Last Year 213
MozeeToby writes "The Columbus Dispatch is reporting on a criminal investigation currently being performed in Franklin County Ohio. It seems several voting machines listed a candidate as withdrawn from the race when in fact he wasn't. By the time the investigations tracked down which machines had been affected, the candidate's name was back on the ballot. Normally, we could dismiss this as confusion or a mistake on the part of the voter(s) who noticed it. In this case, the person who first noticed the discrepancy was Ohio Secretary of state Jennifer Brunner. Further compounding matters, the Franklin County Board of Elections had disabled virtually all logging on the machines to speed setup of the ballot. Naturally, the county board remains skeptical of these accusations."
Never leave a paper trail (Score:3, Interesting)
Heh. (Score:3, Interesting)
The fact remains that people who don't understand the issue have no basis for commenting on it. If there are reports of ballot tampering, and the machines are set up without logging (how is this even fucking possible in a supposedly secure system?), there is no way in hell that any non-technical user should be able to get away with being skeptical...If someone told them the goddamn machines were running Halo 3, they wouldn't have any way of telling.
Ohio (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Heh. (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not saying that the current electronic systems are a good idea though.
The primary flaw of the currently available voting machines is that they are all proprietary. This means a company has a commercial interest in hiding flaws, and is more likely to push out a device with flaws (or fight to prevent their discovery), if they convince themselves that fixing the flaws isn't worth it, in view of the profit reduction that would result.
We need a voting machine system which is impartial, and not run as a for profit exercise.
I think the best method would be to set up a consortium of major technology corporations to create the voting machines, and have them run it as a tax break, with rental fee's going to charities, not to the corporations themselves. After all, they have all the smart people working for them, and if profit is not a factor, and no single company has control, the system is less likely to be flawed.
Before anyone starts foaming at the mouth about big companies I say this. They already run your health system, your financial institutions, your currency, transportation systems, and your food supply. It's not such a big leap.
Plus, co-operation is already happening with software technology.
Re:Heh. (Score:5, Interesting)
They aren't? How many man-seconds alone with the ballots does it take to change the result of a paper election by editing the ballots? How many cubic meters of stuff do you need to carry to swap in forged ballots? Now how about electronically stored ballots?
Re:Overly Complicated (Score:3, Interesting)
An adder is generally either used by a single user who wants accurate results or by a group of users who all want the same accurate results. Further, adders are generally designed as general-purpose components that will be used in hundreds of different applications - making one that output 3 for 1 + 1 would simply be a poor business decision when it was noticed rather than an effective attack against some specific application.
In contrast, voting machines are specific-purpose devices that are *always* used by large groups of people; and any of those people might want to tamper with the election. It should be obvious that this creates a relatively complex *security* problem rather than a simple electrical engineering / programming problem.
Re:Heh. (Score:5, Interesting)
Sorry to say it but any retard can stuff a paper ballot box. It takes an experienced hacker to hack an electronic election.
Personally, I feel that an electronic voting machine should print out a serial numbered, easy to read paper ballot that you have to drop into the box before you leave. Now you have the best of both worlds. If the electronic numbers do not match what is in the paper ballot box, investigate. Each serial numbered ballot should have a corresponding electric vote. Now to steal this kind of election, you'd need to stuff the ballot box with votes that are actually in the machines memory. Not impossible to hack, but much more difficult that hacking either a paper or electronic system alone.
Re:Heh. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Heh. (Score:4, Interesting)
I have a pretty good idea where you'd begin.
Of course, the security would still depend on the standards being defined by a group of people familiar enough with crypto to come up with a robust and reasonably secure standard for doing all this, but at least by requiring independent verification, this significantly reduces the likelihood of vendors being bought off successfully without getting caught, and by allowing vote counts to be verified independently after the fact against all of the counting servers, this significantly reduces the ways in which blocks of votes can get "lost" by corrupt election officials.
this is just stupid (Score:1, Interesting)
Just one more thought: Since we do not tie ballots to a particular voter id, what would keep an unscrupulous poll worker from stuffing the ballot box?
I think the solution to this is not less technology but more openness. How bout every vote (paper or electronic) have your voter id number on it next to your vote. Then you can log in after the election and pull up your vote and SEE what you did. That's real verification. Anything less is limp dick masturbation.
Re:You can't make this stuff up... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Bullshit. (Score:2, Interesting)
Please post as something other than AC to make me feel I should answer your question.
Since you are using the internet, and visiting slashdot, I assume you aren't a technophobe, so get with it, get an account or uncheck the 'Post Anonymously' box. Then I'll debate.
Re:Ohio (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Heh. (Score:3, Interesting)
- it was quick to tally the results because it was done electronically
- but in the case of suspected fraud (like the main article) it was easy to go back and review the ballots. Like a paper receipt at a store provides proof of purchase, the voter ballots provided proof of how each person voted. The electronics provided the primary tally, while the paper provided a secondary backup system.
Now we have computers.
Easily hacked & changed.
And no way to undo the hack (no paper trail).