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Jason writes "Reuters reports (and News.com mirrors) that the video of a man who shot himself after his girlfriend broke up with him has appeared online under the heading of 'Introducing: The Self-Cleansing Housing Projects.' It goes on to say that the police officers receive no training to deal with privacy issues."
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Suicide Caught on Surveillance Tape Appears Online

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  • by seanadams.com ( 463190 ) * on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:33PM (#8811128) Homepage
    It came up a few minutes ago but not it doesn't!

    http://forums.consumptionjunction.com/showthread.p hp?s=&threadid=12959 [consumptionjunction.com]
    • Watch out (Score:5, Funny)

      by moltar77 ( 708055 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:56PM (#8811309)
      For those in more sensitive environments, be aware that the link in the parent post contains some porn ad banners.
  • by randyest ( 589159 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:35PM (#8811143) Homepage
    OK, this is sad and all, and the cops shouldn't post this stuff on the web (assuming they did), but this quote kills me (not literally, of course):

    My child was killed twice," she said. "The first time he did it to himself. The second time, online did it to him."

    My god, what will online do next? Won't somebody think of the children?!
    • by TheKidWho ( 705796 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:38PM (#8811173)
      you insentive clod, online's next victim is you, not the children!
    • by randyest ( 589159 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:39PM (#8811184) Homepage
      Oh, it get's better:

      "It goes on, comes off, goes on. It's a joke," said Lane's mother. "That's why something has to come out of this hearing. I want my son's tape off that Web completely."

      She's sad, distraught, angry , and confused. I'd hate to be the one that has to explain to her that you can never get anything "off that Web completely" once it's on.

    • actually (Score:5, Interesting)

      by KalvinB ( 205500 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @10:03PM (#8811366) Homepage
      I'd say he's been immortalized by the internet. I used to have a huge collection of bizzare, funny, disturbing, etc things collected from around the net. It was the most accessed section of the web-site. Whenever I'd forget to All Access Pass it, I'd do several gigs of transfer in a single day. I pulled it because it conflicted with my other interests. Like running a nice clean site. If you want to build a very popular site very fast, collecting internet pulp culture is the way to do it. If you can stomach it.

      The mom should counter by posting embarressing pictures of her son so he's not remembered as that guy who blew his brains out. Perhaps as that guy who burned his eyebrows off when he was 12.

      But somehow I don't think that will work as well.

      Ben
    • "Online", in this case, is intentionally vague, and means "deep pockets". I'm willing to bet (a lot) there's a lawyer involved in this, who will do his damndest to haul into court the NY Housing Authority, or the security company, or the NYPD or the manufacturer of the surveillance equipment or the property owner or the website owner or HUD or anyone else who might have both some implied control over the property or the tapes and an insurance policy that will cover the liability.

      And in the name of protecti

    • by CrookedFinger ( 261255 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @11:45PM (#8812085) Homepage
      It's worth taking two seconds out to think that, like most people, she doesn't undertand exactly what the Internet is or how it works. Based on a quick reading of that article, I'd guess that's she's never been online; hell, it's possible that she's never used a computer. All she knows is that her son's death is joke fodder for a bunch of strangers.

      Seriously, man... take two seconds to reconsider your m1573r l337 attitude and grow up.
    • by rastapong ( 593596 ) on Friday April 09, 2004 @12:32AM (#8812379)
      Yes, she used the term wrong. She lives in a housing project, maybe she hasn't the same time and resources to sit in front of a computer for hours like us. Be thankful you were born rich enough to get "online" at will and stop laughing at people less fortunate than yourself. Mod: This post was not funny.
  • by Jason Straight ( 58248 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:35PM (#8811144) Homepage
    One wouldn't think this would need training, it should be common sense that something like that video shouldn't be shared.
  • So? (Score:3, Informative)

    by mcbunny29 ( 583989 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:37PM (#8811170)


    So what's the big deal? The Faces of Death [facesofdeath.com] commercial videos have featured stuff like that for years.
    • Re:So? (Score:4, Informative)

      by applef00 ( 574694 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:42PM (#8811201) Homepage
      The difference is that a great portion of the Faces stuff is fake.
    • by ShallowThroat ( 667311 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:43PM (#8811212)
      The big deal isn't so much that someone killed themselves and has it on tape, this happens all the time. It's the fact that police officers recieve no privacy training, meaning your shit, much of which they have access, or can get access to, is no longer safe once they have it.
    • Re:So? (Score:3, Interesting)

      So what's the big deal? The Faces of Death commercial videos have featured stuff like that for years.

      You mean that all these surveillance cameras in my apartment building are actually generating potential footage for whatever moviemaker might be interested in what goes on in my hallway? How about red-light cameras? Is someone using those to shoot movies too? We'd better stop scratching our noses at red lights.

      If I pull out a gun at a press conference and shoot myself in the head, I should expect to app
    • Re:So? (Score:3, Funny)

      by corian ( 34925 )
      The difference is, the "Faces of Death" people went around to all of the folks they had committing suicide on camera and got them to sign over permission to use the video.

      In this case, nobody asked the dead guy for permission.
  • sick (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nevek ( 196925 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:37PM (#8811172) Homepage
    Its sick that that would be able to get online, the family must feel terrible, watch some news station go and have a field day with it

    "headline news at 5:30, we'll show you the website to download the movie police dont want you to see

    Its even worse when some news station (xof) goes and exploits things like this
    • Re:sick (Score:4, Interesting)

      by TrentL ( 761772 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @10:14PM (#8811427) Homepage
      Or when the news anchors themselves commit suicide [tvacres.com].
    • Re:sick (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Elwood P Dowd ( 16933 ) <judgmentalist@gmail.com> on Thursday April 08, 2004 @10:24PM (#8811527) Journal
      It's even better when they run stories on child pornography and show you oversexualized footage of the victims in the teaser.

      "Sick, twisted fucks take advantage of six year old boys.<shot of boy wearing only underwear, looking sad> Film at eleven."

      That always gets me so hot. I also like the GTA shock stories:

      "Hookers and drug dealers in the new GTA? <game footage of hookers>Will Rockstar Games go to any length to get attention from sex-starved teenagers? <footage of teenage girls in mall>"
      • by Weaselmancer ( 533834 ) on Friday April 09, 2004 @01:20AM (#8812669)

        I thought I was the only person on the planet who noticed this. And was disgusted by it.

        "We think this is deplorable, but we're not above using a dash of it for our ratings." Nothing like capitalizing off of the same urge that makes people slow down to look at car accidents.

        I can even remember the exact moment I stopped watching the news. It was a child porn segment.

        Anyone who's ever opened a porn mag (of the legal variety) knows that usually the first page of a photo shoot is a teaser page that has a goofy title of some sort, and a PG rated picture of the subject of the shoot.

        The fucking show was showing the teaser pages from child porn mags on the "tune in after this commercial break" message. The title of one of the teaser pages was "Lots 'o Love".

        And that, folks, is when I stopped watching the local news.


    • If you want to see what's REALLY on the news, check out News 14 Carolina whose TV caption system was haxored:

      http://www4.ncsu.edu/~smheath/news14.html [ncsu.edu] :-)
  • Bad people (Score:5, Funny)

    by t_allardyce ( 48447 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:38PM (#8811180) Journal
    I dont know what sickens me more - that people flock to see this so much, or that they put it up in Windows Media Format!!
  • by CmdrMooCow ( 213594 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:40PM (#8811189) Journal
    At least its not a 'how to' or a Suicide FAQ.

    Hmm... Sounds like a whole company could be created around this whole thing: Suicide'R'us.

    Only problem is that business keeps dropping off....

    Either that or they don't have any repeat customers.
  • by lingqi ( 577227 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:40PM (#8811192) Journal
    1) He was named "Paris Lane"? like some bastard cross between Paris Hilton and Lois Lane but about 10E8 less sexy?

    2) This is low-incoming housing, right? where did he get money for a gun if the taxpayers are helping him pay rent?

    3) does dead people have actual rights regarding privacy? I mean, pretty sure that there are laws against defiling a corpse, but suicide is considered felon in like 9 states anyway, and I am pretty sure felons get less rights than regular people... still beats getting your body dragged through the streets and buried at a crossroad w/ a stake through the heart, though (old english punishment for suicide)

    4) erm... this appeared on a... pornography website?

    I don't care if you mod me up or mod me down, somebody at least answer the questions
    • by Caseylite ( 692375 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:49PM (#8811271) Homepage
      Two points:

      1) Acts performed in public are by definition not private. He did this in the lobby of public housing, therefore there is no right to privacy. We can debate the ethics of distributing the video, but the fact remains that this was a public performance.

      2) Dead people have little, if any right to privacy. Even the Social Security Administration publicly releases your SSN after you die.

      IANAL
      • Not exactly. (Score:5, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 08, 2004 @10:18PM (#8811460)
        1. Vince Foster committed suicide outside at a public park and the government was allowed to withhold photos. The Supreme Court unaminously ruled that the right to privacy attached to family even if the person in the photos is dead. Justice Kennedy wrote, "Family members have a personal stake in honoring and mourning their dead and objecting to unwarranted public exploitation that, by intruding upon their own grief, tends to degrade the rites and respect they seek to accord to the deceased person who was once their own."

        If a private individual took photos or otherwise recorded the incident, they may not be bound by the same rules as the government. However, the police probably couldn't have released the suicide video nor could have the public housing authorities since they are publicly funded.

        If there were no privacy for deceased individuals or their family, sick fucks could get photos of their (or other criminal's) victims from through the Freedom of Information Act.

        IAAL but this is not legal advice.
        • Re:Not exactly. (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Lord Kano ( 13027 )
          The Supreme Court unaminously ruled that the right to privacy attached to family even if the person in the photos is dead.

          Consider this other possible motive.

          It's been over 40 years since JFK was killed and there are still all kinds of wild theories about it. With the few people who have seen the Vince Foster death scene pictures there are already all kinds of wild theories about it. Imagine how much worse that would get if millions of us were allowed to examine those pictures.

          Is it really about his fam
  • knee jerk (Score:5, Funny)

    by t_allardyce ( 48447 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:42PM (#8811202) Journal
    Im on for 50 that some senator will pass an emergency law making searching, viewing, downloading or even caching this file carry upto 20 years jail. I'd tend to agree with him on this one - you simply cannot have people encoding in windows media format, its just not right!
  • by ParticleGirl ( 197721 ) <{moc.liamg} {ta} {lriGelcitraPtodhsalS}> on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:43PM (#8811208) Journal
    Maybe it's not sensitivity training that the cops need, maybe it's that they shouldn't have access to surveilance tapes. Or maybe the suicide was supposed to be public. In a public place your image is not your property, but this still definitely qualifies as an invasion of privacy.

    Generally, though, it's not aout whether the cop should be more sensitive about what he puts on the web, it's that he shouldn't be allowed to put anything from a surveilance camera on the web, or he should be able to put all of it on the web. Either the unfortunate Mr. Lane committed suicide in public, or he didn't. We still haven't figured out here [the US: I'm not talking about slashdot or places like the UK where these cameras are more ubiquitous and widely accepted] which we value more: privacy or freedom of information.
  • by weekendwarrior1980 ( 768311 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:44PM (#8811221) Homepage
    After seeing that video where a russian soldier gets beheaded, I have vowed not to watching videos like this anymore. If anything else, it desensitizes us about humanity. Sure lot of bad things happen in the world but that doesn't mean we need to watch it night and day. Some people seemed to be obsessed with watching these stuff almost to the level that they are addicted to it. Now that is pornographic.
    • I can't (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Felinoid ( 16872 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:55PM (#8811305) Homepage Journal
      I wouldn't watch the video of the soldier getting beheaded becouse that is a man of honnor being attacked.

      I did want to see the guy shooting himself. Morbid curreosity.
      I also made sure I ate nothing first.

      I don't think it would desensitive me (unless I saw it a lot).
      First it's "Hah suiside. One less loser"
      Next it's morbid curreosity.
      Then it's "wow look how cold he is like he's lost his soul or something" a bit of understanding. Getting in a persons head is something I do. Imperfictly of course my thoughts come first so by bisses cancle out...

      Then... BLAM...
      For a split second you might even feel something cold running down your neck. It's just your mind playing tricks on you and other tricks as well.
      Being in a persons head kinda makes you unready for tragic things like that.

      Then your not laughing anymore.

      However the people who are part of that website making the commenst they do are already desensitised and they've never seen this before.
    • by nick0909 ( 721613 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:59PM (#8811331)
      I am guessing that is why the cop thought it was OK to share with his friend, and then the internet. I am in Search & Rescue and work closely with law enforcement and fire/rescue squads, and we see terrible things fairly often. We eventually get used to it, for better or worse. I have to admit, I am getting more used to it every time I have to recover someone's body... it still gets to me but way less than the first time.

      And places that deal with such things as this have services avaiable to them, either in the form of personal support or round-the-clock 800 numbers you can call and talk about anything you have seen/done on the job. They are just way under-used.
    • by pVoid ( 607584 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @11:24PM (#8811948)
      I don't know if you're refering to the guy getting his adam's apple cut... But I saw that one too, and it haunted me for months.

      I disagree though in a sense, because it did not desensitize me, it did quite the opposite: after seeing the 5 billionth article on war in Chechnia, you kinda start thinking these people are just a bunch of anarchists going crazy and throwing rocks around - as media would really like you to believe because of their inherent arrogance (especially U.S. media like fox). Same thing is the case for how we are desensitized from the daily murder that goes on in Israel/Palestine (on both sides) even though we see absolutely no images of horror. It's all cleaned and sanitized...

      After seeing that guy get his adam's apple cut, and how he was obviously screeming but only gurgling sounds were coming out, I felt down to my last cell the kind of hatred that was involved in that act, and also the kind of fear that can be exerted on *any* human.

      This suicide video is media porn, but that russian soldier was not. I think that soldier (whoever he is) is a quiet hero.

      • by scrytch ( 9198 ) <chuck@myrealbox.com> on Friday April 09, 2004 @10:59AM (#8815402)
        > I think that soldier (whoever he is) is a quiet hero.

        Let me get this straight: you get something vile and horrific done to you, and you're an automatic hero? Does your worldview require the creation of good to automatically oppose the evil?

        You have no idea what that Russian soldier may have done. Perhaps he was a conscript who just wanted to get back home to see his mom. Perhaps he raped and killed a local girl. Why does his suffering escalate his status to hero?

        Christ, I sure hope I'm never a hero.
    • After seeing that video where a russian soldier gets beheaded, I have vowed not to watching videos like this anymore.

      I downloaded the whole "Chechnian War Crimes" series, the Russian soldier getting the knife in his throat wasn't the worst IMHO. You have them cutting people's fingers off, or shooting them off. Holding pistols to people's heads. A soldier on the field of battle must concede that he may die, but to torture and execute civillians is far worse.

      If anything else, it desensitizes us about huma
    • by theLOUDroom ( 556455 ) on Friday April 09, 2004 @09:59AM (#8814775)
      If anything else, it desensitizes us about humanity. Sure lot of bad things happen in the world but that doesn't mean we need to watch it night and day. Some people seemed to be obsessed with watching these stuff almost to the level that they are addicted to it. Now that is pornographic.

      Yeesh, way to push your ideas on everyone else.

      I hate to break it to you but death is normal. It's going to happen to ALL of us.

      There are lots of people out there who absolutely hate this idea so they seek to aviod ANY reminder of it (not just suicides/murders).

      Most of the people bitching in this thread wouldn't be nearly upset if this was a video of someone being BORN.

      Is it sad if someone dies before their time? Yes.
      Is watching some video on the internet going to make a healthy indvidual loose respect for human life? Hell no.
      Hell, I play GTA all the time, killing people, steaing cars, etc. Am I "desensitized" to actual crime and violence? No.

      You mentioned one end of the spectrum:
      those obsessed with these type of videos and therefore death
      At the other end of the spectrum there are those who don't want to acknowedge that death exists.

      The majority of the people who watch this type video have a healthy viewpoint and are *gasp* curious.

      In most modern societies we don't see death that often because our old folks die in nursing homes and hospital beds. People know that death is going to happen to them, but they've never seen it happen to someone else. They want to know.

      If you watch this video and think "that's sad" you're normal. If you watch this video and think that others must be protected from seeing it or they will begin to see death as normal, perhaps your viewpoint could use a little adjustment.

      While death is a big deal, it shouldn't be a "reality shattering" concept.

      All that said, I didn't watch the video because it is a sad event. I just don't think it's right to claim that watching this would make you "desensitized".

      Then again, look how offended we're all supposed to be about seeing a nipple! Somehow I didn't think it was a big deal. I must be "desensitized" right? It couldn't be that someone else has an unhealthy viewpoint.....
  • by StandardCell ( 589682 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:45PM (#8811226)
    After the "inconclusive evaluation" of the use of cameras last year in a particular area in Edmonton, the police in Edmonton are going to try and "evaluate" them again. [canada.com] What's sickening is that people aren't fighting back against this. Sure, there are crimes committed, but the cameras caught one car theft and one guy holding a gun. That's all for a cost of $46000.

    Yes, you read correctly, $46000. That's roughly the cost of putting a cop on the streets for half a year.

    Fight back against the use of cameras as much as possible. Otherwise, Big Brother may creep up on us without us realizing it.
  • by blackest sun ( 700836 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:48PM (#8811264) Homepage Journal

    Part of me can't believe this is happening but the other, more cynical part of me thinks that this is just a sign of things to come as our population grows and our technological prowess pervades most corners of society. Cameras are so small and so inexpensive now...we're moving past the science fiction of last century.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that we should look at this not as some sort of horrific "thing" but more as a new by-product of our decreasing privacy. Time to break out the psychology books...

    ...then again, what was that sci-fi book with the apartments with clear walls?

  • Privacy or Ethics? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by pholower ( 739868 ) * <longwoodtrail@NosPam.yahoo.com> on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:49PM (#8811274) Homepage Journal
    From what I understand, he was in the public. Why is there such a big concern for privacy? If somebody shoots themselves in front of a large crowd, is their mother going to come out a few days later and say "all those people in the crowd should be sued for seeing my son shoot himself" I think not. This is not so much a privacy issue as it is an ethics issue.
    • From what I understand, he was in the public. Why is there such a big concern for privacy?

      Becasue he didn't do it in front of a TV crew. He happened to do it in front of a security camera. The purpose of these is to increase "safety," not to provide fodder for porn video sites.
  • by defile ( 1059 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:51PM (#8811281) Homepage Journal

    Death by suicide is more common than death by murder.

    In other breaking news, people enjoy seeing graphic imagery!!

    Also, police are assholes.

    Film at 11.


    • So should the media stop showing films of any accidents where people die - I know I don't want to see any graphic images, but I've seen the film of both Space Shuttles blow up repeated without anybody being outraged.

      What about all the images of bomb drops released by the US in the Gulf War 1 + 2. You do realise that the little dots running around (and then not running around) are people ?

  • by Safety Cap ( 253500 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:54PM (#8811297) Homepage Journal
    Courtesy of Mickey [go.com]
  • Just stop now... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by grolaw ( 670747 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:55PM (#8811302) Journal
    Some poor miserable person, in agony (or, a stupid fool we are better off without) has died. What in the hell are we doing "rubbernecking" on the information superhighway at this crash?

    This is neither news for nerds (news for morbid voyeurs?) nor is the fact that a death has been photographed "stuff (snuff) that matters".

    Let's put this thread (and the subject) to rest.
  • horribly qualified (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:55PM (#8811303)
    I'm somewhat qualified to comment on this situation as my brother did the same thing. He took his own life shortly after spending part of his day playing pool with me. I believe that he had chosen to kill himself way before and spent the day with me for my benefit. It's how I will remember him. I thank him for that. It will have been two years now come this June.
    His choice of location would not have afforded a videotape and I am glad for that as well. Not a day goes by that I don't miss him. I don't think being reminded of it online ala "The Star Wars Kid" is appropriate. I really feel for the family. It's not easy at ALL to go through that with someone so close to you. I would imagine all the people joking and laughing here have never experienced the situation.
    As with many of the stories you see online you don't know all the facts. However it seems to me to be a situation of double stupidity. Not only do you have a heartless bastard posting the video online...he is also a racist. I can only hope that life's karma catches up with him. Maybe one day I'll have mod points and meet him in real life.

    -M
  • It seems to me... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Rick Zeman ( 15628 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:55PM (#8811304)
    ...that one abrogates some privacy rights when committing a crime (suicide is....) in a public place?
  • Carlin (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 511pf ( 685691 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:56PM (#8811310)
    In George Carlin's latest act, he talks about how someone should make an 'All-Suicide Channel' because that's the ultimate reality TV. And people would line up to watch. That's essentially what's beginning to happen here. It wouldn't be the first time Carlin predicted a trend. A few years back, he predicted that some nut would go apeshit and shoot up a church. Not more than six months later, it happened for the first time. One last thing - you people that thinks a man killing himself is funny, go back to Fark, where you belong.
  • Frightening ... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by LordKaT ( 619540 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @09:56PM (#8811312) Homepage Journal
    I'm not so frightened by the possibility of invasion of privacy, but this is what really concerns me, a quote from the forums:

    "I can still see the vid and I'm laughing harder the first time than I did the first or second."

    --LordKaT

    • Re:Frightening ... (Score:3, Interesting)

      by 0x0d0a ( 568518 )
      Why? Humans didn't evolve with videocameras around.

      We don't deal with videotape particularly well.

      It's a reasonable bet that whoever posted this wouldn't have immediately said this if he was standing right there when the guy blew his brains out.

      It's not bizarre or unexpected for people to act differently to videotape than they do to real life. A lot of people on Slashdot would never say the things they do on Slashdot to people in real life.
  • Point to Consider (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Feral Bueller ( 615138 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @10:28PM (#8811560) Homepage
    Anyone thought that he might have done this in the elevator lobbym knowing that the video camera is there, on purpose?
  • Character... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by dsalmon9 ( 764170 ) on Thursday April 08, 2004 @10:32PM (#8811597)
    As it has been stated, this isn't about privacy at all, but about character. Police officers are people too, and in any group of people, there will be those with little character. Unfortunately, a cop with 5h1t for character has the ability to hurt people in a especially profound way. Though the person who killed himself can't be done any harm at this point his family and friends can. If an officer posted this and they find out who he/she is, that person doesn't need privacy training, he needs to be fired. Yeah, it happened in a public place and yadda yadda yadda, but for an officer to release this kind of footage is simply distasteful and seems to be unbecoming for a public servent. If you've seen a person lose their life before your eyes, you know that there is nothing entertaining about it. You'd think someone in that line of work would respect that.
  • This could all have been prevented if root would just put a respawn in init for us all.
    Shame on you root.
  • by localman ( 111171 ) on Friday April 09, 2004 @12:11AM (#8812236) Homepage
    It's interesting how differently people react to seeing this kind of stuff. I used to work at LinkExchange as a banner/site checker. My job was to seek out objectionable material on sites before letting them in the network. During the year I did it, I saw a lot of nasty stuff. Gory photos from crime scenes, child pornography, rape clips, etc... in my judgement most of it was real.

    I never got desensitized. Every time I came across a site that looked like it might contain such content, I'd break into a cold sweat. I'd search cautiously and if I found something I'd quickly squint my eyes and navigate to the "ban" button. And my day would thus be ruined. The image would stick in my head for hours (if not days) and make me sick to my stomach. To this day I get the same reaction to such content. I am still very sensitive to the sight of real violence. I avoid it whenever I can.

    On the flip side, I have no problem at all with movie violence. I can watch loads of sensationalized gore. I can enjoy movies like Evil Dead 2 and Seven without batting an eyelash. In fact I even made a reasonably violent indie film of my own [crazyeddy.com].

    I am sometimes deeply affected by realistic, emotionally charged film violence, like that in Schindler's List -- though not to the degree that snuff affects me.

    I have occasionally had friends email me pictures or movies to "check out! funny!" and then watched a guy have his leg broken in half. Ha ha.

    I don't really understand how so many people can watch real violence/suffering and find it entertaining, even in a morbidly curious way. However, I admit that many fine people I know can watch it and not lose their humanity. I'm sure there are people here who can't understand how I can watch movie violence and maintain my humanity.

    I don't have a point. Just reporting :) Cheers.
  • by xutopia ( 469129 ) on Friday April 09, 2004 @01:17AM (#8812642) Homepage
    it seems no one wants to talk about it but I think it is essential we deal with this issue. Shouldn't we have the right to decide wether or not we should live? If anything I should have a say in wether or not I want to live at all shouldn't I?
  • by inkswamp ( 233692 ) on Friday April 09, 2004 @01:46AM (#8812786)
    From the article: "The grainy footage shows Lane in the lobby of a public housing apartment building on March 16, hugging a girl, putting a gun in his mouth and pulling the trigger."

    So let me get this straight. He kills himself in a lobby of a public housing building, i.e., an area accessible by the public, and this is a privacy issue? I understand and sympathize with his mother and agree that whoever let the tape out should be punished, but I believe that privacy cannot be an issue when you do something in a public area.

    On a tangential note, would the family of this guy be liable if, say, an impressionable child had wandered into the area right as the event took place?

    What bothers me most about this isn't the privacy concern, but rather that there is apparently an appetite out there for viewing this kind of thing.

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