Actually this isn't new, it's a return to what used to be.
Back in the Apple ][ (and///) days apple used to have an Authorised Repairer program in which my first employer participated. Technicians were sent off to the Apple office in their nearest capital city for training and Level 1 Service Certifications which basically allowed them to tear down Apples, Macs, disk drives, printers and monitors to the module level to repair them and after getting RMAs for them the broken modules would get sent back to Ap
>same genuine parts, tools, repair manuals, and diagnostics as Apple Authorized Service Providers (AASPs) and Apple Store locations
the trick here is both shops and AASPs are PROHIBITED from any serious repairs beyond
-swap battery -swap display -swap motherboard
They dont do the actual repairs, they just offer to swap those three components at ridiculous prices. For phones display alone is over the value of 100% working second hand unit.
Their "repair manuals" are pictures with locations of screws t
>same genuine parts, tools, repair manuals, and diagnostics as Apple Authorized Service Providers (AASPs) and Apple Store locations the trick here is both shops and AASPs are PROHIBITED from any serious repairs beyond -swap battery -swap display -swap motherboard They dont do the actual repairs, they just offer to swap those three components at ridiculous prices. For phones display alone is over the value of 100% working second hand unit. Their "repair manuals" are pictures with locations of screws to open device for motherboard swap. Plus you dont get access to "tools and diagnostics" that would let you pair display module or battery with new phone. Its all a huge scam.
Prove it.
I agree they will allow only module-level repair; but guess what? Only Apple itself goes to Component-Level repair. However...
That is not at all unusual as the level of complexity in a design goes up. TVs started the "module-level" repair concept (not "scheme") decades ago.
Why?
It is actually a good thing for both the Customer (so long as the modules are reasonably-priced; something I agree Apple does not usually do), and for the Repair Shop (who doesn't have to waste 5-10 hours chasing that Bit 20
I agree they will allow only module-level repair; but guess what? Only Apple itself goes to Component-Level repair...
Repairing Apple hardware, isn't magic or mysterious.
Just ask Louis Rossmann.
And did I say anything about "magic or mysterious". I simply said that, as design complexity (and use of proprietary components) goes up (and especially when product-size goes down), troubleshooting and repair at the component-level becomes less and less economically (and turnaround-time) practical from the POV of both the Customer and the Repair Shop.
Speaking of Mr. Rossman and that first CBC "expose": Not everything is as simple as a Display Cable. And, as a former Electronic Bench Tech myself, I simply r
The consumers still cannot buy screens, batteries, replacement cameras, etc. They will not give the centers schematics or chips to do board level repairs. The best those centers can do is screen and battery replacements and send the old ones back or pay severe penalties. If you have water damage and need to replace a chip, good luck getting that repaired to get your data off. Best case with Apple Care is to have a swap out with a refurbished unit and all your data is gone.
Can't find an authorized Apple service provider in Silicon Valley. It just says "Apple support options are currently limited. Thank you for your patience and understanding."
This is how Apple tells the repair community to go screw themselves: "hey, we sell parts because governments demand us to, so we devised this grand scheme of only selling the parts we want to whom we want, not report on any parts that we actually don't want people replacing, and make every single repair crazy expensive so the customer never knows if he purchased a battery or a new screen"
Typical retarded Slashtard bullshit. Their repairs are absolutely overpriced but every computer repair they've ever done comes back with an exact parts list with part numbers of what they replaced.
The phones they do normally replace the whole thing except from a few basic parts and so yes, you get an invoice with just the phone. Computer repairs from Apple get an exact listing of each part replaced. Try again.
Anon because slashtards will mod any non-"apple is bad" post into oblivion, and I don't give a ****
Great of you to start off with the offenses, gets your point across like freakin' space waste falling from the sky.
I never said they didn't supply a replaced parts list. I said they make simple repairs synthetically expensive and complicated to hamper consumer, and third party repair alike. And this is not just Apple, but Apple is especially shady in triggering motherboard or screen replacements for things that only require a new connector or a BIOS reflash/chip. And best of all, they protect this practice
one-eighty. (Score:2)
Quite the change from what use to be.
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Actually this isn't new, it's a return to what used to be.
Back in the Apple ][ (and ///) days apple used to have an Authorised Repairer program in which my first employer participated. Technicians were sent off to the Apple office in their nearest capital city for training and Level 1 Service Certifications which basically allowed them to tear down Apples, Macs, disk drives, printers and monitors to the module level to repair them and after getting RMAs for them the broken modules would get sent back to Ap
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Not really
>same genuine parts, tools, repair manuals, and diagnostics as Apple Authorized Service Providers (AASPs) and Apple Store locations
the trick here is both shops and AASPs are PROHIBITED from any serious repairs beyond
-swap battery
-swap display
-swap motherboard
They dont do the actual repairs, they just offer to swap those three components at ridiculous prices. For phones display alone is over the value of 100% working second hand unit.
Their "repair manuals" are pictures with locations of screws t
Re: one-eighty. (Score:2)
>same genuine parts, tools, repair manuals, and diagnostics as Apple Authorized Service Providers (AASPs) and Apple Store locations
the trick here is both shops and AASPs are PROHIBITED from any serious repairs beyond
-swap battery
-swap display
-swap motherboard
They dont do the actual repairs, they just offer to swap those three components at ridiculous prices. For phones display alone is over the value of 100% working second hand unit.
Their "repair manuals" are pictures with locations of screws to open device for motherboard swap. Plus you dont get access to "tools and diagnostics" that would let you pair display module or battery with new phone. Its all a huge scam.
Prove it.
I agree they will allow only module-level repair; but guess what? Only Apple itself goes to Component-Level repair. However...
That is not at all unusual as the level of complexity in a design goes up. TVs started the "module-level" repair concept (not "scheme") decades ago.
Why?
It is actually a good thing for both the Customer (so long as the modules are reasonably-priced; something I agree Apple does not usually do), and for the Repair Shop (who doesn't have to waste 5-10 hours chasing that Bit 20
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Prove it.
I agree they will allow only module-level repair; but guess what? Only Apple itself goes to Component-Level repair...
Repairing Apple hardware, isn't magic or mysterious.
Just ask Louis Rossmann.
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Prove it.
I agree they will allow only module-level repair; but guess what? Only Apple itself goes to Component-Level repair...
Repairing Apple hardware, isn't magic or mysterious.
Just ask Louis Rossmann.
And did I say anything about "magic or mysterious". I simply said that, as design complexity (and use of proprietary components) goes up (and especially when product-size goes down), troubleshooting and repair at the component-level becomes less and less economically (and turnaround-time) practical from the POV of both the Customer and the Repair Shop.
Speaking of Mr. Rossman and that first CBC "expose": Not everything is as simple as a Display Cable. And, as a former Electronic Bench Tech myself, I simply r
Not as good as it sounds. (Score:1)
The consumers still cannot buy screens, batteries, replacement cameras, etc. They will not give the centers schematics or chips to do board level repairs. The best those centers can do is screen and battery replacements and send the old ones back or pay severe penalties. If you have water damage and need to replace a chip, good luck getting that repaired to get your data off. Best case with Apple Care is to have a swap out with a refurbished unit and all your data is gone.
No authorized service provider in Silicon Valley? (Score:0)
If you can't beat them... (Score:2)
bill them.
Decoys (Score:3)
This is how Apple tells the repair community to go screw themselves: "hey, we sell parts because governments demand us to, so we devised this grand scheme of only selling the parts we want to whom we want, not report on any parts that we actually don't want people replacing, and make every single repair crazy expensive so the customer never knows if he purchased a battery or a new screen"
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Typical retarded Slashtard bullshit. Their repairs are absolutely overpriced but every computer repair they've ever done comes back with an exact parts list with part numbers of what they replaced.
The phones they do normally replace the whole thing except from a few basic parts and so yes, you get an invoice with just the phone. Computer repairs from Apple get an exact listing of each part replaced. Try again.
Anon because slashtards will mod any non-"apple is bad" post into oblivion, and I don't give a ****
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Great of you to start off with the offenses, gets your point across like freakin' space waste falling from the sky.
I never said they didn't supply a replaced parts list. I said they make simple repairs synthetically expensive and complicated to hamper consumer, and third party repair alike. And this is not just Apple, but Apple is especially shady in triggering motherboard or screen replacements for things that only require a new connector or a BIOS reflash/chip. And best of all, they protect this practice
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I'll bet this is a PR move (Score:2)
And as soon as people stop worrying about right to repair, they yank the chain again and stop the program