The world would be a far better place if advertising were greatly restricted - not just because it's annoying and bad for privacy, but also because it's bad for economies. Advertising is why you could work hard at a career your whole life and make less money than Kim K would for farting into a walkie-talkie (or less theoretically, less money than Karl Lagerfeld's cat made for posing on car's dashboard), and it also fuels much of the IP industry's work-once-get-paid-forever business model. It should be restr
Without advertising products would compete based on quality and price to a much greater degree, and without paying for advertising they could afford to.
People could seek out consumer catalogues where advertising would be allowed, in person or better yet online. Online shopping would still work, allowing advertising on online shopping sites for products sold on the site wouldn't be a terrible idea. You'd still know about anything you've ever seeked out information on or attempted to shop for, but nothing that was shoved in your face completely unsolicited.
Companies pay to have their products reviewed. The marketing departments are in charge of figuring out which reviewers should receive product samples. They absolutely are being advertised to even if you are not.
"Companies pay to have their products reviewed. The marketing departments are in charge of figuring out which reviewers should receive product samples. They absolutely are being advertised to even if you are not."
None of that NEEDS advertising involved. Advertising does not help the system, it POISONS it.
Umm.... yes it does. The "reviewer gatekeeping" model proposed above is the same as the pharmaceutical model of targeting doctors (trusted advisers) with wineing and dining (a different kind of advertising not exposed directly to the end purchaser).
Marketing is innate to human behavior whenever there are options for goods or services being provided and multiple people who are looking for those goods or services. We have uncovered prehistoric advertising through archeology. If you want to sell your product o
Company names cover that too. There's all kinds of Superior Lawn Mowing and Pinnacle Restaurants. There's no Low Grade Restaurant or Mundane Gardening.
OMG, how would we find out about new products and services? If only there was some kind of world-wide communications medium where anyone could publish audiovisual documents, and it had some form of powerful search capability so you could find what you were looking for.
Oh, you mean we wouldn't know about products we don't want. Yeah, that would be ~terrible~.
OMG, how would we find out about new products and services? If only there was some kind of world-wide communications medium where anyone could publish audiovisual documents, and it had some form of powerful search capability so you could find what you were looking for.
In a world without advertising, how would the search engines become aware that a particular audiovisual document exists in order to include said document in its index?
In case the search engine finds documents by following citations/links from other documents: In a world without advertising, how would authors of other documents become aware that a particular document exists in order to link to said document?
I know Googlebot doesn't watch ads. Ads are for humans, and in the present system of things, ads may cause one or more authors to link to a site in the body of a document.
So here's how I see it: - How do you get your site on Google? Have others link to it. - How do you get your site in front of others who would link to it? Advertise it. What am I missing?
Google bots crawl the web indexing new pages. They will eventually discover your page even if nobody else links to it. These used to be called "web crawlers" or "spiders". You can also submit your site to Google for indexing, which will speed things up.
If people linking to you because they like your stuff isn't fast enough for you, you can list it for sale on sites specifically for that purpose, like Amazon or Ebay. You can even make an instagram feed all about your wonderful products! You don't need to sho
Google bots crawl the web indexing new pages. They will eventually discover your page even if nobody else links to it.
Forgive me for my ignorance, but I have failed to imagine what steps something like Googlebot might take to discover a website with no inbound links (yet) and no Google Search Console verification. Does Google watch for new domain name registrations and assume that a website will eventually be set up on each? Is the click stream from Google Chrome fed into this process?
If people linking to you because they like your stuff isn't fast enough for you
How would people know what keywords to search for in order to find my stuff in the first place so that they can like it? They can't, for exa
Forgive me for my ignorance, but I have failed to imagine what steps something like Googlebot might take to discover a website with no inbound links (yet) and no Google Search Console verification. Does Google watch for new domain name registrations and assume that a website will eventually be set up on each? Is the click stream from Google Chrome fed into this process?
Google doesn't exactly describe every detail of how their search works, but I would be surprised if their web crawlers didn't look for DNS l
You could look up what's playing at your local theatre
That depends on there being such venues. That's not a given after the global events of the past 14 months. In the case of new video games, the equivalent to theaters is arcades, and those have already declined to irrelevance (other than for redemption games) in my country over the past two decades.
Or you could google "new movies." [...] In this scenario you're interested in something and you go seek information about it. I think that fits in nicely with the OP's "severely restricted advertising."
I'd have to wait to see how mockbuster producers would spam up the results of such a search with low-effort movies not to the tastes of most of the public.
A lot of people rely on critics to watch a movie for them
Google what's playing on Netflix then. Or what's going to be playing next week. Or if theatres actually disappear (lol), what's playing at movies in the park. Your arguments are just getting silly.
Meta Keywords, sitemaps, robots.txt, search-engine-friendly URLs, and SEO are all advertising with the target audience being the web crawlers and search ranking algorithms.
This suggestion helped me find an actionable process: 1. Create a sitemap 2. Verify site ownership with Google Search Console and Bing Webmaster tools 3. Submit sitemaps to said tools
Follow-up question: In a world without advertising, how would prospective customers know what keywords to search for, such as the title of a new movie or video game or whatever else?
Yes it was. His point is that people spend money to broadcast their content (advertising) for search engines to pick it up. He didn't know the specific mechanics but his point is valid. Companies spend hundreds of millions every year on just SEO.
The world would be a far better place if advertising were greatly restricted - not just because it's annoying and bad for privacy, but also because it's bad for economies.... It should be restricted so greatly that it should probably be done on an allow-list basis of where and what is actually allowed, and anything else is banned.
I guess you can read that however you want, but the way I read it the OP is likely to be okay with DNS, ZeroConf, and submitting your website for indexing. Now that you mention it,
Only somebody posting AC would dare say a world with less advertising would be a nightmare. For me? I'd kill to have one day advertising free a week. The utter load of nonsense I have to wade through just to get to and from work and do my job is ridiculous. And none of it matters at all to me.
Advertising should be greatly restricted (Score:5, Interesting)
The world would be a far better place if advertising were greatly restricted - not just because it's annoying and bad for privacy, but also because it's bad for economies. Advertising is why you could work hard at a career your whole life and make less money than Kim K would for farting into a walkie-talkie (or less theoretically, less money than Karl Lagerfeld's cat made for posing on car's dashboard), and it also fuels much of the IP industry's work-once-get-paid-forever business model. It should be restr
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Without advertising products would compete based on quality and price to a much greater degree, and without paying for advertising they could afford to.
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People could seek out consumer catalogues where advertising would be allowed, in person or better yet online. Online shopping would still work, allowing advertising on online shopping sites for products sold on the site wouldn't be a terrible idea. You'd still know about anything you've ever seeked out information on or attempted to shop for, but nothing that was shoved in your face completely unsolicited.
Re: Advertising should be greatly restricted (Score:2)
Mmhmm... and who determines which products show up in your search of that online catalog?
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Which they would learn about how? A Google search? Now you're letting Google decide what you should see (and shop for).
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There are plenty more search engines out there than Google, you could even set up a YaCy instance.
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I buy based on review sites and their links to mechants.
NO advertising needed or wanted.
Re: Advertising should be greatly restricted (Score:4, Insightful)
Companies pay to have their products reviewed. The marketing departments are in charge of figuring out which reviewers should receive product samples. They absolutely are being advertised to even if you are not.
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"Companies pay to have their products reviewed. The marketing departments are in charge of figuring out which reviewers should receive product samples. They absolutely are being advertised to even if you are not."
None of that NEEDS advertising involved. Advertising does not help the system, it POISONS it.
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Umm.... yes it does. The "reviewer gatekeeping" model proposed above is the same as the pharmaceutical model of targeting doctors (trusted advisers) with wineing and dining (a different kind of advertising not exposed directly to the end purchaser).
Marketing is innate to human behavior whenever there are options for goods or services being provided and multiple people who are looking for those goods or services. We have uncovered prehistoric advertising through archeology. If you want to sell your product o
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Well said.
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"Advertising is a subset of marketing"
So we are discussing hating a subset of marketing and you defend ... marketing.
You lose.
Re:Advertising should be greatly restricted (Score:4, Informative)
Without advertising, nobody would know what products are available, let alone which ones are high quality or cheap. It would be a fucking nightmare
And how is that any different from the current situation? Just because an advertisement says a product is of high quality doesn't make it so.
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Company names cover that too. There's all kinds of Superior Lawn Mowing and Pinnacle Restaurants. There's no Low Grade Restaurant or Mundane Gardening.
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Well, there is the Four Seasons, but I digress.
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OMG, how would we find out about new products and services? If only there was some kind of world-wide communications medium where anyone could publish audiovisual documents, and it had some form of powerful search capability so you could find what you were looking for.
Oh, you mean we wouldn't know about products we don't want. Yeah, that would be ~terrible~.
How do search engines find new sites? (Score:1)
OMG, how would we find out about new products and services? If only there was some kind of world-wide communications medium where anyone could publish audiovisual documents, and it had some form of powerful search capability so you could find what you were looking for.
In a world without advertising, how would the search engines become aware that a particular audiovisual document exists in order to include said document in its index?
In case the search engine finds documents by following citations/links from other documents:
In a world without advertising, how would authors of other documents become aware that a particular document exists in order to link to said document?
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You don't actually think Google's web crawlers watch ads, do you?
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I know Googlebot doesn't watch ads. Ads are for humans, and in the present system of things, ads may cause one or more authors to link to a site in the body of a document.
So here's how I see it:
- How do you get your site on Google? Have others link to it.
- How do you get your site in front of others who would link to it? Advertise it.
What am I missing?
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Google bots crawl the web indexing new pages. They will eventually discover your page even if nobody else links to it. These used to be called "web crawlers" or "spiders". You can also submit your site to Google for indexing, which will speed things up.
If people linking to you because they like your stuff isn't fast enough for you, you can list it for sale on sites specifically for that purpose, like Amazon or Ebay. You can even make an instagram feed all about your wonderful products! You don't need to sho
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Google bots crawl the web indexing new pages. They will eventually discover your page even if nobody else links to it.
Forgive me for my ignorance, but I have failed to imagine what steps something like Googlebot might take to discover a website with no inbound links (yet) and no Google Search Console verification. Does Google watch for new domain name registrations and assume that a website will eventually be set up on each? Is the click stream from Google Chrome fed into this process?
If people linking to you because they like your stuff isn't fast enough for you
How would people know what keywords to search for in order to find my stuff in the first place so that they can like it? They can't, for exa
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Google doesn't exactly describe every detail of how their search works, but I would be surprised if their web crawlers didn't look for DNS l
Advertising to critics (Score:2)
You could look up what's playing at your local theatre
That depends on there being such venues. That's not a given after the global events of the past 14 months. In the case of new video games, the equivalent to theaters is arcades, and those have already declined to irrelevance (other than for redemption games) in my country over the past two decades.
Or you could google "new movies." [...] In this scenario you're interested in something and you go seek information about it. I think that fits in nicely with the OP's "severely restricted advertising."
I'd have to wait to see how mockbuster producers would spam up the results of such a search with low-effort movies not to the tastes of most of the public.
A lot of people rely on critics to watch a movie for them
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Google what's playing on Netflix then. Or what's going to be playing next week. Or if theatres actually disappear (lol), what's playing at movies in the park. Your arguments are just getting silly.
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Meta Keywords, sitemaps, robots.txt, search-engine-friendly URLs, and SEO are all advertising with the target audience being the web crawlers and search ranking algorithms.
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sitemaps
This suggestion helped me find an actionable process:
1. Create a sitemap
2. Verify site ownership with Google Search Console and Bing Webmaster tools
3. Submit sitemaps to said tools
Follow-up question:
In a world without advertising, how would prospective customers know what keywords to search for, such as the title of a new movie or video game or whatever else?
Re: How do search engines find new sites? (Score:2)
Precisely why Google is investing so heavily in AI and specifically in natural language cognition.
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Ah, the argument from pedantry. Was waiting for it. That's pretty clearly not what the OP meant when he said "advertising."
Re: How do search engines find new sites? (Score:2)
Yes it was. His point is that people spend money to broadcast their content (advertising) for search engines to pick it up. He didn't know the specific mechanics but his point is valid. Companies spend hundreds of millions every year on just SEO.
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I guess you can read that however you want, but the way I read it the OP is likely to be okay with DNS, ZeroConf, and submitting your website for indexing. Now that you mention it,
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Only somebody posting AC would dare say a world with less advertising would be a nightmare. For me? I'd kill to have one day advertising free a week. The utter load of nonsense I have to wade through just to get to and from work and do my job is ridiculous. And none of it matters at all to me.
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You misspelled "ignore".