I find it amazing the Trump has been able to sell this election fraud myth so effectively without being able to provide hard evidence... What is it about humans that a good measure of the population will so willingly fall under the spell of an authoritarian leader and deny reality?
Well, hang on a second here - if we are looking for hard evidence, what is the hard evidence in support of the theory that "The Nov. 3rd election was the most secure in American history" ? How the hell is something like that even quantified?
Or is Krebs maybe just puffing himself up here? Are there other circumstances where we just take a guy's word for it when they say that they did a great job?
If they were at all competent, I'd value his opinion more. Can anyone name a single successful defense against cybercrime or a single for cybercrime led by this agency, one where another local agency did not do all the work and this agency did not ruin the prosecution or did not try to take all the credit?
The 2020 US election for the President of the United States of America. That 2020 presidential election was a successful defense run directly from the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency.
I'm afraid you've just made my point. Election security is a state matter, not a federal matter. Claiming successful leadership of vote count security it from a central federal office is not well founded.
It's an excellent example of difficult it is to find any case where "another local agency did not do all the work and this agency did not ruin the prosecution or did not try to take all the credit"
We went to bed election night with prediction markets predicting Trump with an 86% chance of winning but we wake up the next day with tens of thousands of ballots coming in for Biden but none for Trump?? Really??
I'm sure that a major factor in the mail-ins being overwhelmingly for Biden is that Trump told his supporters not to use mail-in, as "it leads to fraud".
I'm sure that a major factor in the mail-ins being overwhelmingly for Biden is that Trump told his supporters not to use mail-in, as "it leads to fraud".
Do you really think they hadn't thought that through? Of course Trump's people knew this would happen. He's known he was going to lose any fair election for months - he's been laying the groundwork for this situation, all that time, precisely because he knew this "election is rigged" dog and pony show was the only possible way he had even a modicum of chance to stay in office.
I think what you are missing is that he assumed that the counting of postal votes would take ages and would start after the counting of physical votes took place. They had actual experience that by sending a violent mob they could stop the counting of votes for long enough to then get it legally blocked and he was hoping to follow up on that. This is really his backup plan.
WALLACE: "Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups..."
TRUMP: "Sure..."
WALLACE: "And to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha, and as we've seen in Portland"
TRUMP: "Sure, I'm prepared to do it, but I would say almost everything I see is from the left-wing not from the right-wing. I'm willing to do anything, I want to see peace..."
We've never had all the departments and agencies run where they have to pass everything past the president first in case he might disapprove. These are heads of departments, they give out sane and logical statements, and get fired for it.
Look, if they are told the only two choices are "shut up" versus "lie out your ass", some of them are going to go for the third option of "tell the truth". After all the job is vanishing in two months, if you can't grow a backbone in a lame duck period then you need more
what is the hard evidence in support of the theory that "The Nov. 3rd election was the most secure in American history" ?
Due to Trump claims that the election was rigged before it even happened, lot of effort was put in order for that election to be even more secure and opened than usually.
How the hell is something like that even quantified?
By counting instances of voter fraud and comparing to other election yearss. There are always instances of people voting multiple times, voting for a dead relative, etc. Count and compare.
How the fuck is such a question considered insightful?! He's someone who worked to protect the election system. You are the kind of people who also question Dr. Fauci without any basis, don't you?
In other words, you answered the parents question with a "yes". You disbelieve Fauci because Trump disbelieves Fauci. It must be nice being told how to think all the time, it saves so much wear and tear on the brain.
So, you think that the only two options are civil war and blind gullibility? If we don't gulp down everything that our betters say without question, we have to start shooting each other?
Trump is sinister. (Score:4, Insightful)
I find it amazing the Trump has been able to sell this election fraud myth so effectively without being able to provide hard evidence... What is it about humans that a good measure of the population will so willingly fall under the spell of an authoritarian leader and deny reality?
Re:Trump is sinister. (Score:-1, Troll)
Well, hang on a second here - if we are looking for hard evidence, what is the hard evidence in support of the theory that "The Nov. 3rd election was the most secure in American history" ? How the hell is something like that even quantified?
Or is Krebs maybe just puffing himself up here? Are there other circumstances where we just take a guy's word for it when they say that they did a great job?
Re:Trump is sinister. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: (Score:3)
If they were at all competent, I'd value his opinion more. Can anyone name a single successful defense against cybercrime or a single for cybercrime led by this agency, one where another local agency did not do all the work and this agency did not ruin the prosecution or did not try to take all the credit?
The 2020 US election for the President of the United States of America. That 2020 presidential election was a successful defense run directly from the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency.
Re: (Score:1)
I'm afraid you've just made my point. Election security is a state matter, not a federal matter. Claiming successful leadership of vote count security it from a central federal office is not well founded.
It's an excellent example of difficult it is to find any case where "another local agency did not do all the work and this agency did not ruin the prosecution or did not try to take all the credit"
Re: (Score:2)
We went to bed election night with prediction markets predicting Trump with an 86% chance of winning but we wake up the next day with tens of thousands of ballots coming in for Biden but none for Trump?? Really??
I'm sure that a major factor in the mail-ins being overwhelmingly for Biden is that Trump told his supporters not to use mail-in, as "it leads to fraud".
You reap what you sow.
Re: Trump is sinister. (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sure that a major factor in the mail-ins being overwhelmingly for Biden is that Trump told his supporters not to use mail-in, as "it leads to fraud".
Do you really think they hadn't thought that through? Of course Trump's people knew this would happen. He's known he was going to lose any fair election for months - he's been laying the groundwork for this situation, all that time, precisely because he knew this "election is rigged" dog and pony show was the only possible way he had even a modicum of chance to stay in office.
Re: (Score:3)
I think what you are missing is that he assumed that the counting of postal votes would take ages and would start after the counting of physical votes took place. They had actual experience that by sending a violent mob they could stop the counting of votes for long enough to then get it legally blocked and he was hoping to follow up on that. This is really his backup plan.
Re: (Score:2)
This is really his backup plan.
That's why he told the Proud Boys to "stand by"
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3)
We've never had all the departments and agencies run where they have to pass everything past the president first in case he might disapprove. These are heads of departments, they give out sane and logical statements, and get fired for it.
Look, if they are told the only two choices are "shut up" versus "lie out your ass", some of them are going to go for the third option of "tell the truth". After all the job is vanishing in two months, if you can't grow a backbone in a lame duck period then you need more
Re: (Score:1)
All conclusions matter!
Re: (Score:1)
what is the hard evidence in support of the theory that "The Nov. 3rd election was the most secure in American history" ?
Due to Trump claims that the election was rigged before it even happened, lot of effort was put in order for that election to be even more secure and opened than usually.
Re: (Score:3)
How the hell is something like that even quantified?
By counting instances of voter fraud and comparing to other election yearss. There are always instances of people voting multiple times, voting for a dead relative, etc. Count and compare.
Re: (Score:3)
Re: (Score:3)
In other words, you answered the parents question with a "yes". You disbelieve Fauci because Trump disbelieves Fauci. It must be nice being told how to think all the time, it saves so much wear and tear on the brain.
Re: (Score:2)
So, you think that the only two options are civil war and blind gullibility? If we don't gulp down everything that our betters say without question, we have to start shooting each other?
What the fuck is wrong with you?