... but if I did, I would quit. This is over the top. It feels more like a blanket list of vague infractions to have on hand so that they can rid of anyone they feel like.
It reminded me of one of those prison visitation posters reminding you of everything that's against the law. And WTF is a dead name? Like I can't say my dad's name because he's dead or some shit like that? No really I only just now googled it and it's retarded how like every fucking week there's a new word describing some kind new (completely nonsensical) gender or some new sexual orientation, or some way of identifying properties therein. Too bad the book [guidetogender.com] was already out of date at publication.
Though seriously, this is a really good way to piss off developers and either they become interested in something else, or they just fork it.
There are people on/. who find it necessary to change their nics. Policing that shit is necessary to keep the trolling here to a survivable level. You can bet we'll connect your old "name" to your new one. Sure, sure, you're imagining a different sue case, but you have to think about the consequences of rules, not the intent behind them.
That's all very high and mighty of you taking a brave stand against trolling and all, but that's mostly not what I'm talking about. Firstly the CoC already takes care of that: trolls will be ejected, so you don't need to go on your little crusade. Secondly, this isn't about finding sock puppets, it's about people intentionally using a defunct or incorrect name for a person just to be a dickhead. It has nothing to do with rooting out trolls. Seriously, if someone tells you their name, just use it. That is no
I used to operate under the naive assumption that language was used for communication. Slowly clued in that, for a lot of people, it's all about framing the argument or ideological battlefield in their favour.
'Dead names' is one I find pathetic, since most of the time, the person is trying to conceal all the crap they did under their former (birth) name. Kinda like 'Actress' implies both the profession and gender, but by removing that word from the lexicon of acceptable usage, the people behind it somehow
I don't know but it sounds extremely insensitive to people who are currently grieving the loss of a loved one. Perhaps they should have stated "living impaired" name so that the language in the Code of Conduct wouldn't violate their Code of Conduct.
I think they mean insisting on referring to someone who's transitioned by their pre-sex change name, eg. Bradley vs. Chelsea Manning, etc. These people, reasonably enough, want to be referred to by their new chosen name.
Still these codes of conduct are just minefields and themselves toxic in so many ways, being used as clubs for any old person's pet witch hunt.
I am all for people's rights to liberty, safety and opinions; but no one should have the right never to be offended, to 'alternative facts' which fly
Don't name people with names they no longer use (especially, but not restricted to, a name of a gender they no longer identify with.) ie. call people by the name they want to be called by. ie. don't be a dick.
These rules shouldn't be necessary. They're all covered under the single blanket rule "don't act like a dick". But the biggest dicks generally aren't aware of their dickishness, so need a slap round the head with a clue-by-four.
If your biggest argument against not mis-gendering someone or using their dead name is that occasionally you have to learn a new word... I mean, are you arguing that language should never change or evolve, or do you just not like respecting someone's wishes about their identity?
If I know someone by name X and they change it to name Y... there is a very good chance I am going to keep calling them name X because I'm used to that and that is how I identify them. To shame, disgrace and put out people that still use name X because that is how they identify that person is hypocrisy at it's very best.
A fine example is this friend of mine introduces himself as Charles, and I call him that to this day usually, but come to find out most people call him charlie, I've always felt a bit odd cal
I've done that in person, but I've never done that in an email (because I can correct it) and I've never done that in IRC (where people are generally known by their nicks). Unless you go to a shitload of conferences, this seems like the sort of mistake that would be hard to make in an open source project.
But more to the point, even the most socjussy of socjus people can generally tell the difference between a genuine mistake (especially if it's followed by an apology) and deliberate baiting. You probably ca
No, but I should. After all, taking your husband's last name is a tool of the patriarchy, and serves only to define women's worth by their husband's....
Not an AC here. English does not distinguish nouns by gender, and as such, there is nothing which makes a name "male" or "female" apart from convention. And the conventions are in a constant state of change. The guy who wrote the musicals The Music Man and The Unsinkable Molly Brown was named Meredith Wilson. In 1902 when he was born, that name was more unisex, and today it isn't.
As a wise person once wrote:
What's in a name? that which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet.
I mean, are you arguing that language should never change or evolve
Nobody argues this. However many of those changes are politically driven, and used to spin and confuse discussion of various matters. Examples on each side: the right introduced the politically charged term "death tax" to replace the correct "inheritance tax". The left introduced "undocumented immigrants" replacing the more correct "illegal immigrants". The right calls a anti-abortion position "pro-life"; this is spin, because the "pro-life" position doesn't extend for example to being against the death pen
Sure, if you knew him before he changed his name... it would be preposterous from him to think people that have known him for years to start using a new name. They might but it isn't likely nor should it be expected.
It's disrespectful to ignore that choice.
But he shouldn't expect everyone to turn on a dime.
Really, women get married all the time, and generally people don't keep using the maiden name. Just have the same courtesy that a good chunk of american offices have.
Sure they do. Everyone who knew my wife before we got married call her by maiden name - some don't even remember her new name. Those who met her after marriage usually use new name, unless they hang around mostly with "old" crowd. Same with all other married women in my social circle. Same with that one guy who adopted his wife's name. Nobody cares.
The only time it ever became an issue was when a woman was divorced, remarried, and some lady called her by the name of the first husband. The divorced woman
"Dead name" is a term used most often for people who are transitioning or have transitioned to a different gender expression and selected a new name for themselves. It also includes people who have selected a new name (possibly of the same gender) but for whatever personal reasons choose to disassociate themselves from the dead name. An example would be where the parent who gave them the name abused them, and they choose an identity for themselves that doesn't invoke the memory of their abuser every time
To err is human -- to blame it on a computer is even more so.
I don't have anything to do with FreeBSD... (Score:5, Insightful)
... but if I did, I would quit. This is over the top. It feels more like a blanket list of vague infractions to have on hand so that they can rid of anyone they feel like.
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Re:I don't have anything to do with FreeBSD... (Score:4, Insightful)
It reminded me of one of those prison visitation posters reminding you of everything that's against the law. And WTF is a dead name? Like I can't say my dad's name because he's dead or some shit like that? No really I only just now googled it and it's retarded how like every fucking week there's a new word describing some kind new (completely nonsensical) gender or some new sexual orientation, or some way of identifying properties therein. Too bad the book [guidetogender.com] was already out of date at publication.
Though seriously, this is a really good way to piss off developers and either they become interested in something else, or they just fork it.
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There are people on /. who find it necessary to change their nics. Policing that shit is necessary to keep the trolling here to a survivable level. You can bet we'll connect your old "name" to your new one. Sure, sure, you're imagining a different sue case, but you have to think about the consequences of rules, not the intent behind them.
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That's all very high and mighty of you taking a brave stand against trolling and all, but that's mostly not what I'm talking about. Firstly the CoC already takes care of that: trolls will be ejected, so you don't need to go on your little crusade. Secondly, this isn't about finding sock puppets, it's about people intentionally using a defunct or incorrect name for a person just to be a dickhead. It has nothing to do with rooting out trolls. Seriously, if someone tells you their name, just use it. That is no
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Yes, that's what I'm saying. The stated goal of the rule is X, but the effect of the rule will be Y. That's the thing about rules.
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I used to operate under the naive assumption that language was used for communication. Slowly clued in that, for a lot of people, it's all about framing the argument or ideological battlefield in their favour.
'Dead names' is one I find pathetic, since most of the time, the person is trying to conceal all the crap they did under their former (birth) name. Kinda like 'Actress' implies both the profession and gender, but by removing that word from the lexicon of acceptable usage, the people behind it somehow
Re:I don't have anything to do with FreeBSD... (Score:5, Funny)
I don't know but it sounds extremely insensitive to people who are currently grieving the loss of a loved one. Perhaps they should have stated "living impaired" name so that the language in the Code of Conduct wouldn't violate their Code of Conduct.
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I think they mean insisting on referring to someone who's transitioned by their pre-sex change name, eg. Bradley vs. Chelsea Manning, etc. These people, reasonably enough, want to be referred to by their new chosen name.
Still these codes of conduct are just minefields and themselves toxic in so many ways, being used as clubs for any old person's pet witch hunt.
I am all for people's rights to liberty, safety and opinions; but no one should have the right never to be offended, to 'alternative facts' which fly
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Don't name people with names they no longer use (especially, but not restricted to, a name of a gender they no longer identify with.) ie. call people by the name they want to be called by. ie. don't be a dick.
These rules shouldn't be necessary. They're all covered under the single blanket rule "don't act like a dick". But the biggest dicks generally aren't aware of their dickishness, so need a slap round the head with a clue-by-four.
Re: I don't have anything to do with FreeBSD... (Score:2)
You sound like a violent, self-righteous fascist.
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If your biggest argument against not mis-gendering someone or using their dead name is that occasionally you have to learn a new word... I mean, are you arguing that language should never change or evolve, or do you just not like respecting someone's wishes about their identity?
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To shame, disgrace and put out people that still use name X because that is how they identify that person is hypocrisy at it's very best.
A fine example is this friend of mine introduces himself as Charles, and I call him that to this day usually, but come to find out most people call him charlie, I've always felt a bit odd cal
Re: I don't have anything to do with FreeBSD... (Score:2)
Do you call married women by their maiden names? Or (gasp) married men? (those filthy betacucks)
Just suck it up snowflake. Who gives a shit what someone wants to call themselves?
My guess is you are too terrifies of anyone that is trans to actually talk with them. Much easier to treat them as if they are not human, isn't it?
Re: I don't have anything to do with FreeBSD... (Score:2)
Who is the one who is triggered with your AC posting and name calling?
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I've done that in person, but I've never done that in an email (because I can correct it) and I've never done that in IRC (where people are generally known by their nicks). Unless you go to a shitload of conferences, this seems like the sort of mistake that would be hard to make in an open source project.
But more to the point, even the most socjussy of socjus people can generally tell the difference between a genuine mistake (especially if it's followed by an apology) and deliberate baiting. You probably ca
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No, but I should. After all, taking your husband's last name is a tool of the patriarchy, and serves only to define women's worth by their husband's....
Re: I don't have anything to do with FreeBSD... (Score:2)
"the people running the show"
You mean the corporate paymasters?
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Not an AC here. English does not distinguish nouns by gender, and as such, there is nothing which makes a name "male" or "female" apart from convention. And the conventions are in a constant state of change. The guy who wrote the musicals The Music Man and The Unsinkable Molly Brown was named Meredith Wilson. In 1902 when he was born, that name was more unisex, and today it isn't.
As a wise person once wrote:
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet.
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I mean, are you arguing that language should never change or evolve
Nobody argues this. However many of those changes are politically driven, and used to spin and confuse discussion of various matters. Examples on each side: the right introduced the politically charged term "death tax" to replace the correct "inheritance tax". The left introduced "undocumented immigrants" replacing the more correct "illegal immigrants". The right calls a anti-abortion position "pro-life"; this is spin, because the "pro-life" position doesn't extend for example to being against the death pen
Cassius Clay is a dead name (Score:2)
Do you think insistently referring to Muhammad Ali as "Cassius Clay" is appropriate, apart from discussion of the late boxer's childhood?
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But he shouldn't expect everyone to turn on a dime.
Really, women get married all the time, and generally people don't keep using the maiden name. Just have the same courtesy that a good chunk of american offices have.
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The only time it ever became an issue was when a woman was divorced, remarried, and some lady called her by the name of the first husband. The divorced woman
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So... Your are even more of an arsehole to people you know? You treat them worse than strangers... Do you have many friends?
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And WTF is a dead name?
Two seconds on Google... Dead Name [wiktionary.org]
The birth name of a person who has since changed their name (especially a transgender person).
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"Dead name" is a term used most often for people who are transitioning or have transitioned to a different gender expression and selected a new name for themselves. It also includes people who have selected a new name (possibly of the same gender) but for whatever personal reasons choose to disassociate themselves from the dead name. An example would be where the parent who gave them the name abused them, and they choose an identity for themselves that doesn't invoke the memory of their abuser every time