Because they are saying that's not what happened (in their opinion - it certain sounds like that's what happened from the summary)....
They clearly aren't saying "We accept we are racist, but we just don't want to pay" (even if its true or not). They are saying "we don't agree that the issue was caused by race, we would never be racist and are disappointed the ruling said we are ".
Ya, and simply whacking the CEO and other suits pay packages would easily pay for their bias in this case.
The current CEO of IBM is named Arvind Krishna and is Indian. He has spoken publicly about IBM's policy of no racism. However, the events described here were before his watch at the helm, which started in 2020.
Now, this is pure speculation, but I could only fathom one reason for the difference in compensation.
In my company, we have customer accounts that are considered "easy", which all sales folks want . . . and ones that are considered "difficult", which nobody wants. For "easy" accounts you just nee
SAS is a white dominated European firm. They would never give a contract if the IBM salesman was not part of the old boys club. HCL is an indian company who do a lot of contracting work for IBM and they give business to IBM as a kind of official kickback. Its a no effort sale and they dont care who the salesman is black, brown,blue or purple.
So yeah the white guy got paid more because the only way to get that sale was to be a white guy.
I have been in sales and despite being brown myself for certain acco
SAS is a white dominated European firm. They would never give a contract if the IBM salesman was not part of the old boys club.
Your two sentences are entirely fucking disconnected from each other.
So yeah the white guy got paid more because the only way to get that sale was to be a white guy. I have been in sales and despite being brown myself for certain accounts I always send the white guy from my sales team
And if you're selling to an Indian company you send your team's Brahmin.
We know which of our clients are racist
My experience tells me that nobody gives a fuck but I'm not working in the US or mainland Europe so maybe you really do work with cunts.
When I'm procuring software, hardware or services, I look at viability, match to requirements, cost, time to deliver, likelihood of success and other factors that will impact my company's ability to meet its objectives.
And if you're selling to an Indian company you send your team's Brahmin.
You tried to make a dig about the caste system but your ignorance shines through.
If I really believed in the caste system for a business deal I would send the "baniya" not the "brahmin".
Indian caste system is Brahmins for academia, Kshatriyas for military, Baniyas for business and Shudras for everything else. Untouchables are folks outside the system which would include non Hindus btw. Obviously such a system doesnt work when most of your best clients are Christian which in theory would make them unt
Oh, I'm sorry. I only know about the Indian caste system not the US one.
I've seen the reaction by Indian people to an Indian Brahmin. I've also been treated as very fucking far from untouchable by Indian friends, colleagues and other Indians that don't even know me.
Obviously such a system doesnt work when most of your best clients are Christian
Nonetheless, pretending that in-group bias or an 'old boys club' is purely limited to a single fucking skin colour is racist in itself. Racism is bad, don't be racist.
No doubt there is an old boys club in every culture but most of the larger economies are white dominated so in practice the old boys club translates to a white boys club.
IBM does condone. (Score:4, Insightful)
IBM does not condone retaliation, race discrimination, or any other form of discrimination. The company will consider all of its options on appeal.
If you don't condone racial discrimination, then why are you appealing it? Why are you disappointed in the ruling?
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They clearly aren't saying "We accept we are racist, but we just don't want to pay" (even if its true or not). They are saying "we don't agree that the issue was caused by race, we would never be racist and are disappointed the ruling said we are ".
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Ya, and simply whacking the CEO and other suits pay packages would easily pay for their bias in this case. IBM certainly cannot plead poverty.
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Ya, and simply whacking the CEO and other suits pay packages would easily pay for their bias in this case.
The current CEO of IBM is named Arvind Krishna and is Indian. He has spoken publicly about IBM's policy of no racism. However, the events described here were before his watch at the helm, which started in 2020.
Now, this is pure speculation, but I could only fathom one reason for the difference in compensation.
In my company, we have customer accounts that are considered "easy", which all sales folks want . . . and ones that are considered "difficult", which nobody wants. For "easy" accounts you just nee
Being white is a qualification (Score:5, Interesting)
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SAS is a white dominated European firm. They would never give a contract if the IBM salesman was not part of the old boys club.
Your two sentences are entirely fucking disconnected from each other.
So yeah the white guy got paid more because the only way to get that sale was to be a white guy. I have been in sales and despite being brown myself for certain accounts I always send the white guy from my sales team
And if you're selling to an Indian company you send your team's Brahmin.
We know which of our clients are racist
My experience tells me that nobody gives a fuck but I'm not working in the US or mainland Europe so maybe you really do work with cunts.
When I'm procuring software, hardware or services, I look at viability, match to requirements, cost, time to deliver, likelihood of success and other factors that will impact my company's ability to meet its objectives.
Who the other co
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And if you're selling to an Indian company you send your team's Brahmin.
You tried to make a dig about the caste system but your ignorance shines through.
If I really believed in the caste system for a business deal I would send the "baniya" not the "brahmin".
Indian caste system is Brahmins for academia, Kshatriyas for military, Baniyas for business and Shudras for everything else. Untouchables are folks outside the system which would include non Hindus btw. Obviously such a system doesnt work when most of your best clients are Christian which in theory would make them unt
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Oh, I'm sorry. I only know about the Indian caste system not the US one.
I've seen the reaction by Indian people to an Indian Brahmin. I've also been treated as very fucking far from untouchable by Indian friends, colleagues and other Indians that don't even know me.
Obviously such a system doesnt work when most of your best clients are Christian
Nonetheless, pretending that in-group bias or an 'old boys club' is purely limited to a single fucking skin colour is racist in itself. Racism is bad, don't be racist.
Re:Being white is a qualification (Score:2)