RIAA About to Transform? 217
It has been reported for a while that the RIAA was suffering some cutbacks and dwindling support, but techdirt is reporting that the cuts may be even deeper than most originally suspected. Who knew suing potential customers would ruin your business? "I'm sure some will somehow 'blame piracy' for this turn of events, but it's hard to see how that's even remotely the issue. The real issue is that the RIAA has basically managed to run one of the dumbest, most self-defeating strategies over the last decade. Rather than helping major record labels adjust to the changing market, it continually, repeatedly and publicly destroyed its own reputation and the reputation of the labels — each time shrinking their potential market by blaming the very people they should have been working to turn into customers."
In demand as witnesses? (Score:5, Interesting)
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No way! People willing to work for such an ethical and forward thinking organization would have more loyalty to each other.
Re:In demand as witnesses? (Score:5, Funny)
Then, let us all hope for the sake of the families involved that the MafiAAs do not make them mysteriously disappear.
"The RIAA has announced a new severance package . . ."
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"The RIAA has announced a new severance package . . ."
I think its dubbed "Head and Shoulders"... er no that's a shampoo... "Head from Shoulders"!
Re:In demand as witnesses? (Score:5, Funny)
Well I would imagine the excess employees will be much in demand as witnesses.
We've always known when it comes to the RIAA there's more than meets the eye, but witnesses would truly help expose their deceptive cons.
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RIAA successful? (Score:2)
What if the RIAA was there to harrass customers until enough customers had transitioned over to Vista and Win7 where the DRM is more substantial and more songs are getting sold on iTunes and cellphones -- again and again and again -- .... its easier to download from the net to your phone that load up songs from your computer -- the purchase price is low enough that the songs purchases are have become what the music industry wants -- they want you to purchase the song each time for each device and form...2.9
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Ummmm, DRM doesn't work. I thought we'd established that.
DRM only ever hurts the paying customers. After they've been stung a few times it makes the pirate offerings more attractive. Downward spiral.
The best way to make money is to, um, listen to the customers instead of dictating to them. The RIAA thinks this is crazy talk so they'll sink.
Re:RIAA successful? (Score:4, Funny)
I dunno if I'd call their mission a complete failure...
Well I always admire an independent thinker who's willing to go out on a limb and espouse a thought that no one else agrees with.
You've certainly established your credentials.
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Ray nailed a +5 on the FP slot, so no one bothered with the usual 6 leadoff trolls. Yo, Mr. Taco! Can members get a special perk for high-grade FP's? The whole board topic improves in quality!
Why, thank you, Mr. Phoenix. Actually I was feeling kind of guilty afterwards. I realized there was a chance mine would be the 'first post', but I knew it wasn't being written in the traditional 'first post' style. I felt that I was a spoilsport.
I didn't plan it by the way, I just happened to see the story immediately after it turned from "red" to "green".
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RIAA (Score:2, Funny)
TERRORIZE!!!
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TERRORIZE!!!
I think "EXTERMINATE!!!!!! EXTERMINATE!!!!!!" is more appropriate here.
Just throwing that out there.
Will it be... (Score:5, Funny)
...a Z Transform, a Laplace Transform or a Fast Fourier Transform?
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It will me Optimus Prime.
Re:Will it be... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Will it be... (Score:4, Funny)
Ha, I beat you with my transformers reference by 2 minutes.
Decepticons lose again!
Nothing but a rumor, yet... (Score:5, Informative)
Chasing down the links leads to this:
http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2009/02/is-the-.html [hypebot.com]
But one seemingly knowledgeable but unconfirmed source tells Hypebot that the cuts run much deeper than previously reported.
And not much else. One can hope, but so far this is nothing but a rumor.
Re:Nothing but a rumor, yet... (Score:5, Informative)
...nothing but a rumor.
Synonym for fact here at Slashdot.
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alias actually, its right here in .slashdotrc
alias 'nothing but a rumor'='verified fact'
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He's Score:5 Informative, so he must be correct! ;)
book publishers (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:book publishers (Score:4, Interesting)
Yeah, too true. I quit buying music years ago when CD prices got ridiculous. I haven't bought (or downloaded) music for years. Now my daughter is getting into music, and surprisingly for our 40-years-of-age difference, our music tastes are similar, so we've been building our library.
She's started sending me links to youtube videos of her faves. Sent one today. I gave it a quick listen at work; kind-of-liked it, went back to listen again at home and it's been taken down. Humph. No sale there.
I end up buying about 1/4 of the music links she sends me. This just makes no sense at all - the music industry is shooting itself in the foot. All the younguns are growing up pirating music instead of buying it - because the industry has created such hurdles to getting music legally.
supporting companies outed (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:supporting companies outed (Score:5, Interesting)
Companies...do not like the negative image this is bringing them directly.
Neither do the artists themselves, who seem to get lost in the "OMG PIRACY IS THEFT!!1!" argument.
It gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling to go to a concert and hear the band say, "Thank you for paying to come see us, now go download our stuff illegally and fuck the labels who are fucking us!" (No, I don't download music and am not a pirate, although I don't care if others do and are.)
Slashdot broken? (Score:2)
Is something wrong with the site preferences? I disabled YRO but I see several of its stories on the front page.
Re:Slashdot broken? (Score:5, Funny)
Slashdot broken?
With that low user ID, you should have figured this out a long time ago.
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*shrug* It worked fine until today.
All I can say is... (Score:5, Funny)
I do, however, once RIAA is dead and buried, intend to dig them up once a year on the anniversary of their death just to make sure they're still dead.
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Re:RIAAphilia! or Rule 34 FTW!! (Score:2)
Oh, Ms. Executive! Than you for providing me the opportunity to buy Rush's Presto again! You see, it was the fourth piece of music I ever owned, and I got lucky - I really liked it.
I had a tape. It melted in the sun on the car seat.
So I bought another one. But I lose things, so I bought another one. But that time the tape player was bad, so it got wrapped around the player.
So I bought it again. In February oh, about 1990 by this point. In February. It snapped.
The next one got me through high school finals.
Worse (Score:5, Insightful)
each time shrinking their potential market by blaming the very people they should have been working to turn into customers.
Worse than that, they were shrinking their market by blaming the very people who already were their customers. Contrary to the way we sometimes talk about it, "people who download music in violation of copyrights" and "people who buy music" are not mutually exclusive groups.
Often enough, the same people who will spend money on high-quality convenient products that they feel are worth the price will also look for alternate channels in cases where they don't think the product they are being offered is high-quality enough, convenient enough, or worth the price.
Now I'm not trying to excuse people who download music illegally. It's illegal. I don't do it. I don't advocate that others do it. I don't approve of it. I'm just pointing out that all those nasty/evil group of "pirates" and "thieves" that the music industry keeps blaming, vilifying, and suing-- that group has a fair amount of overlap with that industry's legitimate customers.
Re:Worse (Score:5, Insightful)
Now I'm not trying to excuse people who download music illegally. It's illegal. I don't do it.
I am so sick of this argument. The RIAA never (as in: not once) sued anybody for downloading music. No matter what they said to the press, 100% of their "filesharing" lawsuits were for uploading. Further, it has never been conclusively established that downloading songs is illegal. In the Napster case, the judge stated that people using a service like Napster had the "effect of piracy". Just because something has the same consequences does not mean it is the same thing. On top of that, it has since been argued -- rather convincingly -- that music sharing increases sales because the heaviest downloaders are also the biggest music buyers.
You can listen to the radio for free. Are you or the radio station doing something "illegal" when you tune in? Are radio audiences "pirates"?
This whole "downloading == theft" thing is merely the RIAA's creation.
Re:Worse (Score:5, Insightful)
I didn't say that "downloading == theft". I wouldn't. In fact, I've argued many times here on Slashdot that copyright infringement is not the same thing as theft, and people who are trying to equate them are being dishonest.
However, there are many laws other than those against theft, and to the best of my knowledge, it's not untrue to say that copyright infringement is "illegal". Also, that copying copyrighted material without a license to do so is generally considered copyright infringement, and that the process of downloading something from the Internet includes "copying".
I'm not trying to be controversial here. I don't believe that copyright was intended to prevent private individuals from enjoying copyrighted material without a license. It was more to prevent professional publishers from poaching off of each others' work for profit. On the hand, copyright does have a valid role in ensuring that artists are compensated for their work, and in the current legal formulation, I believe copying songs without buying them (outside of "fair use") is illegal.
Re:Worse (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, but what GP is trying to say is that downloading isn't copyright infringement. The burden of obtaining authorization to distribute is on the person offering the goods, or the uploader. And it shouldn't be on the burden of the receiver to know whether the copy is obtained through legit channels or not.
So people who download may be pirates, but they're not committing any crime or tort until they redistribute what they've downloaded. Whether it is moral or otherwise is another issue. But since copyright infringement is not theft, the data can't actually be "returned" and the owner of the files can't be charged with possession of stolen goods.
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The burden of obtaining authorization to distribute is on the person offering the goods
Well though IANAL, I've read a few different arguments about this, including some rulings. It seems that they do distinguish between uploading and downloading in that copyright law talks specifically about offering distribution.
This is where is gets weird in the context of how we deal with information in the digital age: copying happens all the time, so we think distribution is the key issue. However, copyright is specifically about the act of copying, and not about distribution. In order to go after so
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Yes, but I believe the grandparent was merely trying to state that the one doing the actual *copying* (and therefore running afoul of copyright laws) is the uploader, not the downloader, and that so far the courts have seen it as such.
It does make sense, IMHO, though it'd add an interesting loophole to copyright law: namely, when you download something off someone living in a non-Berne country.
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Yes, but I believe the grandparent was merely trying to state that the one doing the actual *copying* (and therefore running afoul of copyright laws) is the uploader, not the downloader, and that so far the courts have seen it as such.
The courts do seem to have seen uploading as infringement, but I haven't heard of any rulings that suggest that download is not.
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The courts do seem to have seen uploading as infringement
The issue hasn't come up yet; there hasn't been an RIAA case with any evidence of uploading... at least not of which I am aware.
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Then what is this Sony v. Tenenbaum [groklaw.net] about then ?
Re:Worse (Score:4, Insightful)
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You made a little mistake... you didn't yell loudly, beat your chest, and say it in a more confident manner. You'll never get modded up this way!
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what he really means is that he uploaded them
No, because there was no evidence that he uploaded them, either.
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Not when I cap my upload to the bare minimum required to keep the packets incoming. Fuck enforced ratio trackers. I hold my upload speed at 2 KB/s which could be practically any damned thing. I'd like to see how that argument holds up in court. "I couldn't make available because I absolutely restrict all outgoing transfers. The only things that do not get restricted are packets being sent out to request the next load of incoming packets."
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The only thing that makes me sad is that, despite not actually saving their business with all the law suits, they have still managed to (likely forever) change the way the people think about IP. It used to be not such a big deal. Yes, anyone that knew anything about computers (or was a friend of such) wasn't paying for media, but the record stores weren't closing either so nobody gave a damn. And even during Napsters glory days I knew tons of kids that went out and spent ridiculous sums of money on posters
Re:Worse (Score:4, Insightful)
It just depresses me that you (quite rightly) felt you had to throw in that last paragraph, even though the things you didn't say can be easily spotted, simply by reading your actual message.
It depresses me a bit too. I've found that I have to tell people what I'm not-saying on a pretty consistent basis, or else I get attacked for saying things that I specifically did not say.
I don't think we really listen to each other very well, and we don't think very deeply about what other people are saying. If we did, we'd often find that people who disagree with us are disagreeing for a reason-- maybe even a valid reason-- even if they're still "wrong".
Meet the New Boss, (Score:5, Insightful)
The RIAA is going to get you (Score:3, Funny)
Did you pay a commission for that lyric?
Re:Pay! (Score:2)
Did you ... Did you?
Did you pay pay pay for that Lyric?
Don't Swipe That Song, Just move that cash right along!
Music is dead (Score:2)
Heck, with the way they have been suing everybody I'm surprised anyone still even wants music any more. Why even possess music when it is apparently such a dangerous thing? :P
New business for the RIAA? (Score:4, Funny)
Shutdown one Industry in support of another (Score:4, Interesting)
The market for blank media was not going to go away, and it was going to be filled with downloaded music, now regardless that it is illegal to download copyrighted material did not slow anyone down. And just like the article mentioned, it only soiled the name of those who tried to stop it, yeah I am talking about how people like Metallica a whole lot less.
Being Pro or Anti piracy aside I do not feel for the RIAA losing money (if in fact they did lose any money, and if that money was a substantial amount) because they blatantly starred the changing times in the face ignored all possible opportunities it could have afforded them, and now, just like the banks and the auto industry they will cry about how the oldschool ways don't work anymore.
I am glad that hard drives and blank CD's and DVD's are so cheap now a days!
Transforming, but not in a good way (Score:5, Interesting)
With RIAA Lawyers running the DOJ [cnet.com], the RIAA is transforming into a US government agency.
Now their antics re. DoS'ing suspected torrent sites will not only be legal but an act of the gov't.
Not only will gov't money will be budgeted for catching the file traders, and probably some money from the economic stimulus packages to help bail out the recording industry and encourage innovation, it will be a gov't initiative.
Along with a new and improved patent enforcement department to help make it more cost-effective for companies having difficulty collecting license fees from people infringing on patents like one-click (due to millions of small infringers, and formerly expensive legal processes required to enforce a patent)
So... Decepticons? (Score:5, Funny)
RIAA or the Tiger! (Score:2)
Is it the ...
RIAA or the Tiger, that will eat you tonight? That will crush the spirited fighter...
Cue evil music (Score:3)
Its not over yet.. Transforming isn't always a good thing.
It's a transformer! (Score:5, Funny)
What, are they going to go from 'suck' to 'blow'?
Who knew? (Score:5, Insightful)
"Who knew suing potential customers would ruin your business?"
SCO did. Worked for them as well.
-Charlie
Top Self-defeating strategies in the last decade (Score:2)
2) SCO
3) Microsoft
4) Banks?
Transform into... COPYRIGHT MEGACRONYM! (Score:5, Funny)
Left arm: MPAA
Right arm: IFPI
Left leg: SPA
Right leg: BSA
Torso: RIAA
Head: DMCA
Combined: WTMGDL! (Way too many god damned lawyers)
Hmm, any other suggestions for the copyright megacronym? :)
Re:pronounceable (Score:4, Funny)
It is, but only with the second pair of cheeks.
Hope I had something to do with it. (Score:3)
Not to burst anyone's bubble (Score:3, Interesting)
And I hope as much as the next guy that this means what it says in the summary. The RIAA is finally getting the results it has worked so hard for.
But it might just be the crappy economy.
Music is a luxury item, and they're usually the first thing to go when things get tough. This might be nothing more than a consequence of the current economic picture. I've seen massive layoffs pretty much everywhere lately.
Sorry if this dampens the mood in here. But it's worth considering. The last thing we need to do is to start bullshitting ourselves. Seeing things as they are best prepares you to deal with them.
But that being said, this is still a good thing. The less of these goons working the better. It would be nice if it was simply their just desserts for their failed plan, but if they go out as collateral damage to our ailing economy, well...at least some good has come from that.
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That's the first thing I thought too. Did President George H. W. Bush write this summary? It's the economy... (you know the rest).
Unless we're claiming that RIAA lawsuits were the cause of that, too. If that's the case, Federal agents should be kicking their doors in right... about... ;^)
One can always hope.
Transformation: oldest trick in the book (Score:2)
How much you want to bet that said "transformation" is going to include a name change under the hope (hopefully misguided, but you never know) that a fresh DBA will give them something akin to a clean slate now that the tides of public perception have turned against them a bit.
It didn't work for Diebold (or whatever the hell they're called now. See? Fail.) and it probably won't work here, but it doesn't mean they won't try.
Association for the Ethical Treatment of Harmonists, Entertainers and Recordings has
*facepalm* (Score:3, Funny)
Re:give it a fucking break (Score:5, Interesting)
take this infantile whining to torrent freak or the playground where such anti-corporate whining isnt seen as the transparent bullshit
I don't think we are "anti-corporate" enough in the U.S.A. They've more or less destroyed the economy with short sighted strategies that can't see past a 3 month horizon.
Businesses move jobs over seas. Umm? Who's going to buy your product? The list of offenses is pretty long from exploitation to pollution.
or get a job and pay for music for a change.
Um, I use Linux, where would I buy digital music that plays on my system and has any value? I want it on my home stereo (CD, DVD, or a Linux box) and my MP3 player. (which is not an iPod)
I buy CDs if I really like the music, but I was so disappointed with Gnarles Barkley, one good song on a whole CD, I usually go to the library and borrow CDs.
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I use Linux, where would I buy digital music that plays on my system and has any value?
Um, Amazon for starters? Or did you not realize that iTunes is not the only digital music store in the world?
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Unless Amazon added lossless support recently, I'd rather just buy the CD.
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Re:give it a fucking break (Score:5, Insightful)
Blu-spec CDs are nothing more than a marketing gimmick.
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Replying to undo mis-clicked mod. Meant to click "Informative".
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Re:give it a fucking break (Score:4, Informative)
Nope. Blu-CD is compatible with regular CD players [ps3sacd.com], and still plays back at 16-bit, 44.1kHz. The theoretical quality of the output audio is exactly the same. The only difference is that the physical process of making the CD will be more precise, so playing a Blu-CD back in realtime on a regular CD player will, Sony hopes, give better measured output quality.
However, if you rip a Blu-CD and a regular CD to a computer using cdparanoia or Exact Audio Copy, you'll get exactly the same files.
In short, if you rip your CDs, Blu-CD will give you no benefit. If you play your CDs on a home-theater system, however, if Sony implements the technology correctly you'll get fewer playback errors.
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I always thought CDs were *pressed* not written. I don't want a CD-R that's written with laser (red, blue, or otherwise), since CD-Rs self-erase themselves (the dye fades). I want my CDs to have permanent pits pressed into them.
Sounds like planned obsolescence to me. - "Not only does Blu-CD sound cool, but they include a special feature to erase themselves in 5-10 years. Less if you leave them sitting in a sunny car. This way you [the record companies] can sell the same CD again and again and again
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Ahh, but pressed from what? It's not like they have some kind of articulated pinbox with 6 billion elements.
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The master CD is burned with a laser, then the distributed copies are pressed from the master.
To be honest, I don't think Sony is out to get us with this one, because these are just regular CDs, made in a better fashion. It doesn't sound like there's any DRM involved. It might be too late for Sony to make any money off of it, but I don't think it's a technology to be avoided for any reason other than possibly price.
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Now I don't see any need for blu-cd. Or any more physical media for that matter. Content delivery is the way to go.
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And even if you wanted physical media, but wanted something better than a CD, DVD-Audio and SACD both provide multi-channel support, higher bitrates, and higher sampling rates. They're more DRM-laden than CDs of course, but DVD-Audio's been broken. So far, nobody cares enough about SACD to break it.
I might buy a DVD-Audio disk of an album I like, just to see if it's worth it.
That said, I do appreciate Trent Reznor providing FLACs, both in CD-quality format -- 16/44.1 -- and in 24/96.
Re:give it a fucking break (Score:4, Insightful)
That said, I do appreciate Trent Reznor providing FLACs, both in CD-quality format -- 16/44.1 -- and in 24/96.
I wish everyone did this. Even if I didn't like the music I would've bought Ghosts anyway just to support people selling music in good format.
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>>>You, cibyr, can't tell the difference between a high-bitrate MP3 and a FLAC
You can when you hook it up to your 4.1 or 5.1 surround system. The difference becomes immediately obvious, even if you've used a 320 kbit/s MP3. There are weird sounds coming from the speakers which should not be there. AKA compression artifacts.
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Or Sony's new Blu-CD [link removed] which should hold enough data to keep the tracks in their original quality.
Oh, yeah, that is a good idea, the RIAA is dying but instead of celebrating, we should all promote their sponsors' schemes to improve an antiquated distribution medium. That sounds like a good idea. Maybe Sony will come back and sue us directly now.
Why would anybody promote anything developed by a company that put rootkits on CDs, crippled its once innovative technology with DRM, and told Stan Lee that it did not make a profit on a record breaking movie (Spiderman)?
Sony.
sucks.like.no.other
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Yeah, there are a few CD stores around. Even Wal*Mart sells CDs.
(CDs being digital and all...)
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Um, Amazon for starters? Or did you not realize that iTunes is not the only digital music store in the world?
The issue is "what do I buy" if I buy a CD, I get all the tracks at the sound quality I want. These days, more often than not, "best of" are your best bet because most CDs have only one good song. MP3 singles are crappy quality and ther eis no option for lossless digital.
Short of that, I'll go to the library.
The MOST frustrating thing is that I like music, I'm willing to pay for it, but I can't actua
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I mostly buy from a used CD store in town, and even if I find an occasional new CD there, it's well under the usual price (usually around $10 for a normal CD, I got Pink Floyd's "The Wall" for $15 new). Combine the fact that I don't care if I buy a used CD (EAC does a good job with mildly-scratched CDs) with the fact that I've only bought 2 CDs made in the last 5 years, and the RIAA probably doesn't like me, even though I'm a paying customer.
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Gosh, you life is miserable~
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Um, I use Linux, where would I buy digital music that plays on my system and has any value?
Magnatune.com [magnatune.com], their collection of Classical music is huge and excellent, and as far as I'm concerned that's the only kind of music that has any value ;) though their Rock section has some pretty nice gems, too.
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Corporations spending money they didn't earn, working up ideas to get free anything *pay inflated maintenance costs later, but it looks great on the books now*, outsource jobs overseas, outsource data entry of your personal financial, medical and retirement records, make job cuts to cover losses due to multi-million dollar bonuses for cutting jobs previously, all while doing their best to cover up the fact that the companies are failing due to the cuts, overspending due to outsourcing (it costs upwards of 4
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Bzzt.
First, Amazon's download manager is available for Linux*.
Second, and more useful, IMO, http://code.google.com/p/clamz/ [google.com]
It sucks that Amazon hasn't heard of the newfangled .zip format, but saying that you can't buy albums from Amazon on Linux is a lie.
*Admittedly, it wasn't available when they launched the mp3 store, and it's a pain in the ass to get working if you're not running one of the 4 linux distro versions they make packages for, but it is available.
Lesser of two evils (Score:2)
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... but if you actually give money to the record companies, most of it winds up in the hands of Columbian drug cartels! You don't think they get DJs to play the latest pop stars they are pushing by appealing to their musical tastes, do you? Nope, it's mostly nose candy under the table.
Ohhh. So that is why so many artists do drugs... It is a perk from their employers... Now I understand!
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What does one thing have to do with the other, as if just BAD DRUGS are the source of income for Cartels in general around everywhere. May it be Coffee? yeah there is a cartel there, you don't have to shoot someone to make damage because you can pay farmers a misery for their products (as in the Colombian cartel of coffee) so they will grow dope instead, dope that it's so friking hard to sell there as nobody want that shit.
Someone made a comic strip this year about it [cartoonistgroup.com]
Even if it's something non related, Juan
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Dude, I think you have Aspergers because that must've been the single biggest WOOOSH! I've ever seen. Srsly.
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The RIAA will never really transform itself as long as the same eggheads are in charge of its member companies.
I wouldn't call them "eggheads". I'd call them phonies.
They are failures as business managers, and have been trying to scapegoat the blame to everyone but themselves... and have no concern for the harm they do.
Meanwhile there are signs of a possible power shift: (1) the absence of new "John Doe" cases, (2) a possible change in lawyers (they did not use Jenner & Block on the Seeqpod case), (3) the firing of MediaSentry.
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this was a bad move by the RIAA because they didn't anyone would pay attention. well someone did. and it appears that enough help is being focused on particular cases that some unfortunate for the RIAA precedents have been or are going to be shortly set. lets not stop now. but score one for the internet.
Agreed. They embarked upon a ludicrous campaign and they have lost. It is now all over except for the mopping up. Unfortunately for the families caught up in it, though, there's still a lot of mopping up.