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China Continues to Shut Down Video Sites

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Friday March 21, @11:27PM
from the governments-the-same-the-world-over dept.
I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "It's not just YouTube that's blocked in China. After the unrest in Tibet, at least 25 video sharing sites have been shut down and others have been penalized. While the Chinese government is not admitting that violence in Tibet had anything to do with it, they do have a sudden interest in strictly enforcing licensing restrictions that require video sharing websites to register with the government. Among other things, Chinese video sharing sites must promise not to show videos that inspire fear, contain pornography, or endanger national security."

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Amy Bennett writes "This past weekend we discussed an increasing level of attacks online, targeting Tibetan-based NGOs. Now the BBC is reporting that the Save Darfur Coalition has called in the FBI on what appears to be a similar matter. Allyn Brooks-LaSure, a spokesman with the group, doesn't know who is behind the attacks, but he said the IP addresses of the computers that had hacked his organization were from China. Save Darfur has been trying to get China, one of Sudan's largest trading partners, to pressure Sudan's government into stopping the mass killings in Darfur's ongoing civil war. 'Someone in Beijing is trying to send us a message,' Brooks-LaSure said. Probably the same message they're sending by continuing to shut down video sites covering the Tibetan unrest."
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  • National Security? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by calebt3 (1098475) on Friday March 21, @11:38PM (#22826672) Homepage
    I haven't seen many Youtube videos that endanger the US's national security...
  • universal translator: active (Score:4, Insightful)

    by v1 (525388) on Friday March 21, @11:38PM (#22826680) Homepage Journal
    inspire fear, contain pornography, or endanger national security

    Lets see. inspire fear ... that'd be inspire fear in the government leaders that the people might SEE what they're really doing

    or, contain pornography ... as in, see the government naked and have some of their dirty secrets exposed for all to see

    and finally, endanger national security would be endanger their position of power by inciting unrest

    There, that's better.

  • What is wrong with the IOC (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 21, @11:39PM (#22826684)
    Haven't they learned from the 1936 and 1980 Olympics? A totalitarian government might promise the IOC that they will be more open and peaceful if they are allowed to host the Olympic Games, but they will not honor it. Perhaps this will be the first Olympic Games where the government hosting the games is massacring people while the athletes compete.

    Personally, I think it is time that the Olympics are removed from the control of the IOC. The games in China should also be canceled.
    • Re:What is wrong with the IOC (Score:5, Informative)

      by gzipped_tar (1151931) on Saturday March 22, @01:04AM (#22827008) Journal

      I am from Beijing and I really wish the game could be canceled.

      In Soviet China, the games play you. Yes it's true. I live in my college (a public one, funded by the govn't) where more than 80% of the students are from other places outside Beijing, me included. We will be forced to leave our campus before the Olympic games open, because the college's gym shall be used by the athelets as a place of training (some say they are the USA swimming team). The college has decided so, but offers no single bit of solution for our accomodation during that period. I guess most of us may have to go home --- for quite a few of us this means a long journey across the country, at a considerable cost. For those who has a job here this would mean further loss. I feel I'm being treated as an undesirable, troublesome one who is best kept clear from the city in which I have been living for three years. We are not free to travel or stay as we wish within our own country, or even within our own city.

      Thanks to the Olympic games China is drawing increasingly more attentions of the world. I hope that, as a result of the pressure from both within and outside, the govn't would take some measures for us. This is hardly likely, though.

      Now something on topic. Removing the Olympics from the IOC? Not likely. Canceling the games? The IOC members are very experienced in politics, and politics has nothing to do with human rights. They can't be ignorant to the massacre taking place in China, but that has nothing to do with their business. They have a perfect alibis: the IOC is not an organization for settling political affairs. We do our own business.

      Recently, the Olympic firetorch is going on its tour around the world, including Lhasa, Tibet. I can hardly imagine this.

      And a tip for some of you who may want to travel to China for watching the Games: you have to be prepared for the Internet experience in China which is far from yours in your home. Want to know more about a game? There's no Wikipedia. Want home news? A lot of media websites banned. Want watch video from YouTube? No way. Want to read your emails? If you've done many "undesirable " searches on Google you may have trouble accessing your gmail account, as some of my friends have noted. Slashdot? I can only hope the best. It seems that they havnt been keeping an eye on slashdot now. I guess most of the decision makers have no idea of what Slashdot is like...

      • Other reasons : avoiding students (Score:4, Insightful)

        by DrYak (748999) on Saturday March 22, @05:38AM (#22827952) Homepage

        We will be forced to leave our campus before the Olympic games open, because the college's gym shall be used by the athelets as a place of training (some say they are the USA swimming team).


        I think another reason that is also pleasing the government a lot is that this will keep all these students away from the camera of international journalist.
        You know, with all these habits that we students worldwide have of protesting and organising processions and strikes, it's good side effect that the campus will be closed, just in case if some Chinese students decided to overcome their fears and copy us trying some of the silly stuff that the foreign colleagues are doing.
        It would be specially embarrassing since they won't be able to handle potential students protest the usual way (it's not very encouraged to send tank against students in front of cameras).

        Except that if the government had said "Students aren't allowed to express publicly their political opinion" the whole western world would be complaining about attacks to their freedom of speech. Whereas "China announce it will happily lend its Colleges' gyms so athlete can win, saddly this means that the duration of the students summer break will have to be extended" suddenly sounds a lot more benevolent. The government hit two birds with single stone : They both do us a favor giving a place to our athlete and managed do discretely shut the Chinese students up.
        • Re:What is wrong with the IOC (Score:4, Informative)

          by gzipped_tar (1151931) on Saturday March 22, @11:01AM (#22829236) Journal

          I'm sorry, but Olympic Games are going to be held in August, and I suppose that is during the summer holiday in almost all of the universities in China, I suppose? Do you stay in school during holidays? Hard-working..

          Here in my college, many of the students stay at the campus even if it's the summer holiday. Some of them just can't afford the ticket home. We use to have choices, and now they say 'Go home. This place is not for you.' Not everyone can happily accept this.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Massacres??? I tend to keep up with the news. I hope you have some proof to back up this very strong news. I think i'll assume you are referring to tibet.

      Its funny when you see human rights violations in the US people go thats shameful, we are better tha
      • Re:What is wrong with the IOC (Score:5, Insightful)

        by 1u3hr (530656) on Saturday March 22, @05:37AM (#22827948)
        Don't get me started on Tibet. The country has basically been under Chinese rule until 1904 where the brits invaded. Tibet signed a treaty with the brits seperate from China. Then China retook the area in 1950. The country has been under chinese control currently LONGER than it had ever been apart from China.

        Don't get ME started on what a load of bullshit that is.

        China claimed sovereignty of Tibet, as it did for many neighbouring countries, such as Vietnam and Korea at various times. In practice, these countries may have paid tribute to Beijing, but Beijing never administered these regions. Tibet was an independent kingdom for most of the last two or three thousand years. A thousand years ago it actually controlled a large part of what is now China.

        The dalai lama doesn't even want independence.

        Of course he does. But he knows China would destroy Tibet rather than grant it. He's no fool. Asking for that would just give China another stick to beat him with.

        China is wiping out Tibetan culture at a fast pace, the only leverage the Tibetans have is international pressure, and in the Olympic year China cannot simply ignore it as it would do normally. They have little hope of success, but this is their last chance before their country is swamped by Chinese immigration and they become fringe slum dwellers in their own land.

        • Dalai Lama wants win-win situation (Score:5, Informative)

          by microbox (704317) on Saturday March 22, @09:08AM (#22828688)
          Um, ah, are you calling the Dalai Lama a lier then? Be cause he says it himself *repeatedly*.

          Despite what the Chinese have done to *his* country: the rape, murder, and willful and blatant destruction of the institutions most precious to Tibetan people, the Dalai Lama does not see independence from China as possible because he recognizes a hard case when he sees it.

          The Chinese constitution guarantees some sort of autonomy, and within autonomy there is no reason why the Tibetan people can not move forward and have some sort of normal existence. The Dalai Lama sees that as a win-win situation. Tibetans get to live unoppressed, and the Han Chinese can still say to themselves proudly "Look, Tibet is ours!".

          So the Dalai Lama is more concerned with the livelihood of his people than reptilian territoriality. China has placed such a pathetically small value on human life, that I'm sure they struggle with that concept. Sad really.
    • Re:What is wrong with the IOC (Score:5, Insightful)

      by kvezach (1199717) on Saturday March 22, @04:18AM (#22827658)
      I'll tell you what's wrong with the IOC: All the committee-members in their rooms, dancing and singing...

      Money, money, money
      always sunny
      in the rich man's world...
  • GGW (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 21, @11:40PM (#22826686)
    I'm sure that somewhere there's a Girls Gone Wild video that does all three...
  • long live Tor (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mwilliamson (672411) on Friday March 21, @11:43PM (#22826704) Homepage Journal
    Run a tor node! Remove the potential for censure of information by oppressive regimes like China, Cuba and _[insert favorite oppressive country here]_ http://tor.eff.org/ [eff.org]
    • Re:long live Tor (Score:5, Interesting)

      by gzipped_tar (1151931) on Saturday March 22, @12:04AM (#22826804) Journal
      In Beijing, many of the TOR nodes are operated by the govn't.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      That will land you in prison in China. You obviously don't understand the level of internet monitoring in China. This isn't the RIAA cracking down on Napster. This represents lives in the balance. Your ignorant comment can get people executed. Please STFU
  • It should also be noted... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by rindeee (530084) on Friday March 21, @11:43PM (#22826706)
    I posted the following info on a previous thread a few days ago, but it was long enough after the story had been posted that it got buried. Anyway, because I believe that it's significant, I will again point out that Google would seem to be coalescing to the wishes of governments such as China. Google's automated the process of blocking particular videos in particular countries via new country blocking XML tags ([media :restriction type="country" relationship="deny">CN]") that they've added in YouTube/Google Video. If you're not familiar with Google's latest (Do no evil???) addition to YouTube, see the write-up that YouTomb did on the matter. Anyway, I can think of no other reason that Google would add in such capability, but I've admittedly not devoted much time to pondering it.
    • Re:It should also be noted... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by hayagriva (1260388) on Saturday March 22, @12:16AM (#22826850)
      True, but not new. I've been in China since 2004. Every time I've clicked on a Google Video link, it hasn't been blocked by China, but it's never worked. They're very nice about it, though: "Thanks for your interest in Google Video. Currently, the playback feature of Google Video isn't available in your country. We hope to make this feature available more widely in the future, and we really appreciate your patience." Do no evil, or, if you have to, be polite about it?
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        Hate to reply to my own post, but I did some searching. I found a blog post [opennet.net] on the YouTomb study the GP mentioned, not sure if there's anything more.
        A look at the API data [youtube.com] reveals that it is the same mechanism used for music videos. I believe these restr
  • Everyone Says "Fuck China" (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Skeetskeetskeet (906997) on Saturday March 22, @12:19AM (#22826866)
    But the majority of you will go to Wal-Mart at some point in the next 3 days and buy goods made from China. So who's winning the war here?
  • by CrazyJim1 (809850) on Saturday March 22, @12:47AM (#22826944) Journal
    China is fighting unarmed(or lightly armed) monks in clear view of the world. While they can censor their own media, everyone else sees China as a bully. The Dali-Lama is actually being given an amplified voice. I sincerely do not believe that China wants the person they're trying to repress be given a bigger soap box, but that is what is happening in reality.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      I spend a lot of time in China. The Chinese media is actually portraying the monks as aggressive "counter-revolutionary" types. The language is similar to what you see western press doling out to Al Qaeda. The typical educated Chinese (I happen to be in
      • Hero (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Fantastic Lad (198284) on Saturday March 22, @04:31AM (#22827716)
        Most nations believe their own propaganda, thinking that "Only our enemies use propaganda on their people". --Until, that is, things starts to get really bad politically. The U.S., in spite of everything, is waking up. It's to the point now that only the slowest of the slow learners don't sigh in disgust when Fox News is mentioned, (though many have yet to recognize just how wide-spread the programming is at this point, but that awareness is coming, albeit slowly).

        That being said, China is fskced. I've met some native Chinese who came here to go to school, and the propaganda they carry with them is unreal. "One China" anybody? That freaky film, "Hero" canonizing a butcher pretty much sums that one up. And I've met people who have lived here for over a decade who still hunch up and look frightened when you ask them what they think of the Chinese government. Like abuse victims. I guess the truncheons haven't fully come out yet in the U.S., and real information is still being controlled through ridicule rather than simply being locked down.

        I've heard the U.S. described as the largest social experiment on the planet; the objective being to see if it is possible to fully control people without the use of force. Kind of like a beef farmer letting their cattle think they're living happy, free lives when in fact almost every thought and decision is dictated.


        -FL

    • Re:Fuck china (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 21, @11:42PM (#22826694)
      Wouldn't carpetbombing China with dirty magazines be more ironic? Fear, pornography, and national endangerment all in one go!
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      There is some truth to that, as much as we like to think what a particular country's government should be, ultimately it is up to its people to decide their own fate. While the (perhaps ignorant) individual may not consciously think of how their country s
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        We might also consider the difference between lightly armed civilians attempting to fight armies armed with horses and muskets and swords, and these same civilians attempting to fight armies armed with tanks, jets and helicopters and modern mass killing we
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      Maybe it's utopian to imagine that the Chinese government cares about its international reputation, but just in case they do (say because of the upcoming Olympics), we might be able to make a tiny bit of difference by expressing our support for the Dala