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FBI Posts Fake Hyperlinks To Trap Downloaders of Illegal Porn
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Soulskill
on Thu Mar 20, 2008 09:59 PM
from the if-you-thought-getting-a-shock-site-link-was-bad dept.
from the if-you-thought-getting-a-shock-site-link-was-bad dept.
mytrip brings us a story from news.com about an FBI operation in which agents posted hyperlinks which advertised child pornography, recorded the IP addresses of people who clicked the links, and then tracked them down and raided their homes. The article contains a fairly detailed description of how the operation progressed, and it raises questions about the legality and reliability of getting people to click "unlawful" hyperlinks. Quoting:
"With the logs revealing those allegedly incriminating IP addresses in hand, the FBI sent administrative subpoenas to the relevant Internet service provider to learn the identity of the person whose name was on the account--and then obtained search warrants for dawn raids. The search warrants authorized FBI agents to seize and remove any "computer-related" equipment, utility bills, telephone bills, any "addressed correspondence" sent through the U.S. mail, video gear, camera equipment, checkbooks, bank statements, and credit card statements. While it might seem that merely clicking on a link wouldn't be enough to justify a search warrant, courts have ruled otherwise. On March 6, U.S. District Judge Roger Hunt in Nevada agreed with a magistrate judge that the hyperlink-sting operation constituted sufficient probable cause to justify giving the FBI its search warrant."
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I would have read the article before replying (Score:5, Funny)
Rest Assured (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:I would have read the article before replying (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:I would have read the article before replying (Score:5, Insightful)
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Stating the obvious problem (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Stating the obvious problem (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Stating the obvious problem (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Stating the obvious problem (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Stating the obvious problem (Score:5, Interesting)
On a serious note. Am I the only one that scared by these prospects? I don't mind the whole "think of the children", as I'm not a bad/evil/pedophile
I probably should have posted this anonymously, but I'm sick of the idea that possesion of some pictures is one of the worst crimes in the world. Sure child abuse is terrible (And I'd have no hesitation against the death penality in severe cases). But having a picture of it? C'mon.
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Re:Stating the obvious problem (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Stating the obvious problem (Score:5, Insightful)
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How long until... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:How long until... (Score:5, Funny)
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Nice. (Score:5, Interesting)
Guess I'd better let the kids fend for themselves then!
Entrapment? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Entrapment? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Entrapment? (Score:5, Informative)
There is absolutely NO repercussions to a judge who authorizes a search warrant on shoddy evidence. Law enforcement can literally *lie* to get the warrant and, even if you can prove they were lying, there isn't a venue to file your complaint. Even if they cause damage to your property, you can't sue... they had a valid warrant. About the only people you *can* file your complaint with is the FBI.. who will action it, around the 4th of never.
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Re:Entrapment? (Score:5, Interesting)
No. Entrapment is where the State gets you to do something illegal and then charges you for doing that thing. The goal here AIUI was just to get evidence so that search warrants could be obtained to investigate other possible offences.
Now, that's not to say there are issues here, particularly about:
but I don't think it's entrapment.
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This doesn't bode well for the intrawebs (Score:5, Insightful)
A search warrant based on clicking links is very troubling. Before obtaining the warrant there was no evidence whatsoever that the suspect had ever even viewed child pornography, and of course the link the Feds provided didn't actually link to any.
The war on child pornography is expanding every year. More police are hired to investigate it, more funds are allocated for it, and penalties are made ever-harsher. In Arizona it's up to 10 years for each picture someone possesses. Other states consider burning pictures to a CD to be "manufacturing". People are being sentenced to 10, 20, even 200 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/6399471.stm) years in prison for possessing pictures.
At some point you have to wonder whether the damage this zealousness causes (throwing college students in jail for decades for possessing some pictures) is worth the benefits. The argument that child porn possessors are creating a market for the material grows ever more tenuous, as fewer investigations seem to be centered around people who pay or provide other compensation for child pornography, but rather are focused on downloaders and traders. Unfortunately, it seems there will be no rational discussion about these investigation techniques or the laws themselves anytime soon, since it seems that there is an army of millions who froth at the mouth anytime they hear the words "child pornography" and cannot or will not draw distinctions between viewing pictures and videos and actually committing sexual abuse.
Doesn't meet Constitutional tests (Score:5, Informative)
I could have any number of computers on my Comcast connection. I could have open wi-fi and be serving Internet to my neighbors... it would show up as my IP.
This whole thing is a crock of shit.
Re:Priorities (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Abuse? (Score:5, Insightful)
If someone started masking these kinds of links as legit links and sent them out in e-mails and such you could wind up with a lot of innocent people being raided by the FBI. And then how do you prove you didn't mean to click on the link?
What about hidden frames that open these kinds of links?
What about use of javascript, flash, java, or other embedded technology to make http requests in the background?
It just seems way too easy to get innocent people caught up in this sort of trap.
Does anyone still even give a shit about the innocent as long as some bad guys are caught? In the wars on drugs, terrorism, kiddie porn, and all other hot buzz quests, I was under the impression that innocent people caught up in their dragnets have been viewed as "acceptable collateral damage" for quite some time now.
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Re:I could conduct stings for the fbi (Score:5, Informative)
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The problem is (Score:5, Insightful)
Thus even if this is entrapment, it won't matter, because of the crime it involves. Logic and due process just get pushed aside for emotion and a witch hunt mentality.
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Re:Entrapment. (Score:5, Informative)
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