Embedded Microchips In Virtually Everything 186
Microsoft CRM recommends a long AP article laying out the nightmare scenario of RFID chips in everything tracking not only things but people. The darker possibilities of a technology capable of enabling ubiquitous surveillance are not news to this community, but it's not so common to see them spelled out for a wider audience. "Microchips with antennas embedded in virtually everything you buy, wear, drive and read, allowing retailers and law enforcement to track consumer items and consumers wherever they go. Much of the radio frequency identification technology that enables objects and people to be tagged and tracked wirelessly already exists and potentially intrusive uses of it are being patented, perfected and deployed... [A director at FTI Consulting] said:] 'It's going to be used in unintended ways by third parties — not just the government, but private investigators, marketers, lawyers building a case against you.'"
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This is different from cars... how?
If you come in with an unusual problem (outside of simple stuff like "timing belt", "spark plugs", "oil"), and give them a vague description like "Oh, well, you know, I was just driving it and now, well, it doesn't
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Salesman: This new user-friendly computer only has one button, and we press it for you before it leaves the factory.
Dilbert: What does the button do?
Salesman: Whoa, I'm in way over my head here. Let me give you our tech support number.
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Maybe not tigers, but we have a good supply of the most vicious predator on the planet, the one that has wiped out most of the other top predators: humans. And humans are still killing each other at rates comparable to (or greater than) what the non-human predators in previous millennia have ever achieved.
So Mother Nature still has a good different
Fuzz Busters.. (Score:5, Insightful)
And then they'll make tougher RFID chips, and we'll make tougher devices to kill them. And this war will escalate just like the Radar vs Radar Detector arms race. What are the cops using now? Negatively modulated phased arrays doppler assisted with frequency hopping? Exactly.
Aero
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And then they'll make tougher RFID chips, and we'll make tougher devices to kill them. And this war will escalate just like the Radar vs Radar Detector arms race. What are the cops using now? Negatively modulated phased arrays doppler assisted with frequency hopping? Exactly.
This is fine in the principle of large devices for a small target group. But if you have to make the change across the entire retail/government/other sector to read and use these chips AND the cost goes up proportionally then at some point the war -could- be won. Or, like shoplifting, the costs^W savings can be passed on to consumers.
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Re:Fuzz Busters.. (Score:5, Insightful)
If it was as easy as just destroying the chip ( and if destroying the chip was legal ) then it wouldn't be a problem.
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that won't solve the problem completely, but at least you will only be traceable at the points where you use the thing in question.
FUD (Score:4, Insightful)
Half the people I know use a key card to access/unlock doors at work. Those things have an RFID chip in them. How close do you have to hold those up to the reader? Yup, 3cm.
If you had a 6' satellite dish mounted on the back of a truck, you could theoretically blast out a signal strong enough to activate the RFID receiver and get it to reflect back a signal to the dish, but the weakness of the return signal is so minute that you still would not be able to hear the return signal past 10' away.
Sorry, but does the government really care if you have any more "hot pockets" in your freezer? These articles are more about scare tactics than reality.
Now, a concern that has been brought up is programmable RFID chips. If your can of Campbell's Tomato soup had a programmable RFID tag then a customer could program it with self replicating code and place it back on the shelf. Then, when the store took inventory and scanned the shelf, the "infected" can of soup would receive the energy pulse and reply not with the information the reader is looking for, but with a reprogramming signal that would "reprogram" the cans of soup around it with the self replicating code. Could you imagine a whole WalMart being quarantined due to an RFID worm outbreak?
It isn't really possible, the return signal from an RFID chip isn't even strong enough to power up an RFID chip next to it, but it is nevertheless fun to think about.
Read my
Joel Helgeson
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Re:FUD and not so FUD (Score:5, Insightful)
And Active tags can be read up to a mile or more.
The range all has to do with cost and need.
With all tech reducing cost is only a matter of scale and time.
As with all things its also only a matter of time before malevolent use any tool or technology occurs.
So while I agree that Orwellian references to RFID technology are certainly overblown,
Dismissing the need for caution and prudence with any technology can only lead to big problems in the long run.
As you pointed out so well a soup can worm could shut the doors on a supermarket.
I think that this is a simple example of what could be the tip of a greater iceberg once truely talented indiviuals
start taking advantage of an embedded technology that is only bound to evolve.
Once it become part of the system it will be hard to get rid of.
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U MUST B 1 OF DEM!!!!!11!
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Sometimes Paranoia is just good thinking (Score:3, Interesting)
While Christmas shopping with my mom, we purchased our items and left the store. As we were leaving the security system announced that apparently someone had failed to remove the inventory control tag from an item. We looked around to see who was making off with store goods, but just
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So... what? Who cares? What impact does that have in my life?
This is the problem with paranoid conspiracy theories. They go on and on about what "can" be done, and how information "can" be linked together, but they never talk about the "so what?" I used to have a pot-head buddy who loved to tell me about the secret caches the Illuminadi would k
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That is, if anyone cared.
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So, how the hell is that useful for Wal-Mart, in tagging pallets? Having done inventory in a warehouse before in my mis-spent youth, I can tell you that on a pallet (wrapped in shrink wrap, stacked three high), an RFID tag that only read at one inch (or even six inches) would be completely useless. Pretty much the same usefulness as a bar-code sticker, or a metal tag with an embossed number. Those Wal-mart people must be morons to insist that their suppliers include tags on shipping pallets that cant be read from more than an inch away.
But, since you insist, there must not be any other kind of RFID. I'll go edit the wikipedia entry [wikipedia.org] now. It's obviously written by a conspiracy nut.
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We must have had RFID-enabled employee badges/pass cards on steroids then. The aircraft service facility I worked at used them, and were required to enter not only the main employee entrance, but also to access doors to various departments. The doors would unlock when someone with an authorized pass/badge would walk within a couple feet.
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However, RFID could solve a variety of problems in the surveillance business: how do you track everyone's movements without protests and objections? You can't rely on image recognition, so getting everyone to carry remotely readable electronic tags seems to be the best way. Mobile phones are good,
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Reality check (Score:2)
There exists two types of RF-ID tags: passive and active. Passive are small and cheap, and have very short read ranges (inches). Active a large and bulky, and requires batteries. But these can ac
vote with your wallet (Score:3, Insightful)
Cell Phone = tracking device (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201444.html?hpid=topnews [washingtonpost.com]
I believe this was mandated in the 1996 Telecommunications Act for all cellular devices and has been implemented long since.
You can't track a cell-phone that is off (Score:3, Interesting)
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They can't track your phone when it's off. It can't be tracked if it's not emitting a radio signal. Maybe you think off means something other than off?
However, they can make it very difficult to turn our phone REALLY OFF. I assume you already know the story about roaming data charge on iPhone [boingboing.net] (which may or may not have been entirely the user's fault). Assuming we can put any stock in anecdote, I had a similar experience with my RAZR (yeah, behind the times, lame):
I had an important meeting with my boss and a few colleagues, so I turned my RAZR off before the meeting. I usually have a bunch of alarms and reminders that go off every couple hours or so. Wel
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You can't make this connection wirelessly, and since you can't walk around with a piece of wire hanging from you, you might as well not get the phone in the first place.
I suppose you could ha
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* If you're not using an iPhone. *G*
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If the wireless device is powered off, if its is battery is removed, and if it is placed *inside a closed Faraday Cage*, would I then agree it can't emit a signal.
Besides, What makes you think that similar techniques to RFID passive pinging reply signals are not already used in current/future cellular devices with their much higher gain omnidirectional transceiver antennas?
Even without the main battery, these devices contain efficient capacitors with stored curr
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As I understand Faraday Cages, devices inside them and outside of them technically can still transmit/receive signals individually, but, any electromagn
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Audio hallucinations are a sign of schizophrenia.
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RFID is poised to go this way - I don't like it either, but unless it's widely rejected a handful of people p
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At the same time I walk around all day with a cell-phone in my pocket and I expect most everyone here does also. You already know the US government is listening to all of your calls, what makes you think they're not tracking your location and who you associate with also? But you don't disconnect the battery from your cell phone when you're not making calls, do you? Well there you go, you aren't standing up for your privacy!
My po
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And anyway, there is no way that voting with you wallet is going to work. Most people just don't care. Nothing will change that.
Privacy Already Gone? (Score:4, Insightful)
There's little in the way of choice left regarding the use of this technology. It's too pervasive, in more sense than one.
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Sure, its not much, but its something.
Over here! (Score:1, Insightful)
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Will it be a hard sell or a soft sell? (Score:5, Interesting)
The more interesting question, though, is what the reaction will look like on a social scale. Will RFID tags be routinely removed at point of sale, the way dye tags are, or will they be aggressively integrated into products in an effort to make them tamperproof? Will people at large see neutralizing RFID tags in items you own as a common, sensible, precaution, like shredding important documents, or will that be seen as the sort of thing that only hackers, criminals, and other shady characters would do?
It will also be interesting to see what sorts of uses the vast amount of ambient information will be put to. Obviously, the usual surveillance and marketing stuff will be pretty thick on the ground; but there might be some rather more curious things as well. I can just imagine the horde of social networking gimmicks that will spring up around the ability to detect the consumer goods carried by those around you. It'll be just like Zune Squirting; but ubiquitous!(Does anybody else miss the days when the future was going to have flying cars and robots?)
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As far as removing the unwanted RFID chip, if the RFID transducer is fabricated on top of a PIC microcontroller, and the microcontroller has no added external markings, everything that has a microcontroller could have a hidden RFID chip. This means your key fob for your car, your US
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Well, knowing the government, I'd say they'll be paid to start up their propaganda machines and convince people that consumers who remove RFID chips are terrorists wishing to hide from the law. A fine and jail sentence will also be handed down to those who are disc
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Meggy Simpson... (Score:1)
Sounds pretty scary... (Score:2)
We'll be the ones installing it (Score:2)
ubiquitous surveillance are not news to this community
Because a lot us are the ones installing those applications. Some suit with a genius idea will burst in and ask, "Hey, can you install that tracker....thing...what do we need to track our employees?" And they'll want the weekly report in two different formats and ad hoc custom reports, which they'll ask for at 4 pm on Friday afternoon and want you to send them on their Treo.
The smart ones here will make millions selling counter-measures and runnin
Microwave (Score:1)
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Erasers for Everyone (Score:2)
Sponsor dry cleaners and laundromats to "debug" clothes with RFID found and erased, and give the customers the report.
I could see a great public demo of an RFID reader out in a park or at a busy intersection with a big display superimposing the tag#s over video of the people on whom they're riding. With an eraser and some pamphlets. In fact, that setup co
Easily blocked (Score:3, Insightful)
Also, reading the tags is really easy (and cheap). I bought a reader for $50 that uses a simple serial interface. I connected it to a PIC microcontroller, wrote some relatively simple software for it, and output IrDA via an IR LED so I can display the data on a Pocket PC.
Dan East
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RFID can be read at long distances. (Score:2)
Very Short Range: approx. up to 60cm (2 ft)
Short Range: approx. up to 5 m (16 ft)
Long Range: approx. 100+ m (320+ ft)
High-frequency (850 MHz to 950 MHz and 2.4 GHz to 2.5 GHz) systems, offer long read ranges (greater than 90 feet) and high reading speeds. High-frequency systems are used for railroad car tracking and automated toll collection.
Brainwashing (Score:2, Insightful)
Previous generations of Americans - of all political leanings - would have been deeply offended by the idea that governments, or anyone else for that matter, had the right to snoop into a free citizen's private life unless a judge had determined probable cause, meaning it was likely the person was a criminal where the court would authorize an investigation likely to lead to that citizen losing his freedom or at least some of his
Gamma World (Score:2)
This reminds me of that, and
Read distance much greater than understood. (Score:2)
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The objective is to experience the experience of experiencing. If you live in awareness, then you are doing your job, and may do so with a sense of purpose and joy. That's Red Pill thinking, at any rate. Living in denial makes the road
No, we'd never misuse this for our own ends. (Score:3, Interesting)
"Heady forecasts like these energize chip proponents, who insist that RFID will result in enormous savings for businesses. Each year, retailers lose $57 billion from administrative failures, supplier fraud and employee theft, according to a recent survey of 820 retailers by Checkpoint Systems, an RFID manufacturer that specializes in store security devices."
So, a company who makes RFID chips does a study showing the businesses lose $57 Billion every year? That sounds as reliable as some of the Business Software Alliance statements on losses from piracy. To call this self-serving would be an understatement.
Microwave your clothes! (Score:2)
Dark Matter (Score:2, Insightful)
What is more concerning in a secured environment? The 999 objects that you can track visually and with RFID in a given area, or the ONE object you cannot track.
This is what has concerned me from the beginning. If all the sheeples around me are not fighting back and forcefully taking their privacy back, then I will certainly show up like a big red target on the security software that
Home EMP machine, anyone? (Score:2)
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Do you think we wear them because they look cool?
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Now you can be paranoid with style!
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Yeah, sticking RFID encrusted stuff in the microwave is so very hard.
Maybe you should write up a "RFID for Dummies" book.
Profit!
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Doing that to disable the RFID chip in something like an iPod or a cellphone would tend to disable more then just the RFID chip.
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by Patrick J. Sweeney II
http://www.amazon.com/RFID-Dummies-Patrick-J-Sweeney/dp/076457910X [amazon.com]
Perhaps you can add a chapter to the next release though
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I've not yet played with any RFID stuff in particular, but I can't figure it'd be too hard to simply sense the strength of a returned ping so you could locate the chip and deal with it.
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I have a pretty big ass.
It doesn't take a lot of imagination. (Score:2)
Huh, looks like they don't have to follow you around with a reader an inch away from your ass.
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Quit shouting, it makes you look like a freaking idiot. Try reading http://www.foodproductiondaily.com/news/ng.asp?id=52356-long-distance-rfid [foodproductiondaily.com] , and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID [wikipedia.org] for starters. Or google and find the article when a guy build an rfid sniffer that could eavesdrop on an rfid exchange between a reader and chip from 30-meters away. It's not as implausible as you make it sound.
Why bother putting cameras on all the street corners and deal with face recognition software to track people, lik
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Me, actually. But I never said that face recognition would work, or that it was in widespread use. I said that RFID would be needed to work around the problems with face recognition, in order to make city and nation-sized surveillance networks practical.
There are a lot of CCTV systems in the UK but some people need to look up the CC bit before spouting this sort of bollocks. There is no central repository of information. There is no face recognition (Possibly excepting airports
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The only way "they" will be able to track you with RFID is to PHYSICALLY FOLLOW YOU AROUND HOLDING A READER AN INCH FROM YOUR ASS!!!! You will LIKELY notice this behavior.
Thank you for that calm, concise description. Next, please tell us how the sensors in the doorways of retail stores work.
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RFID in retail merchandise is going to be a long time in coming, if ever. Could
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