Stories
Slash Boxes
Comments

News for nerds, stuff that matters

EFF Takes On RIAA "Making Available" Theory

Posted by kdawson on Sat Jan 12, 2008 06:21 PM
from the lending-a-welcome-hand dept.
NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In Atlantic v. Howell, the Phoenix, Arizona, case in which a defendant who has no legal representation has been battling the RIAA over its theory that merely 'making files available for distribution' is in and of itself a copyright infringement, Mr. Howell has received some help from an outside source. On the last day allowed for the filing of supplemental briefs, the Electronic Frontier Foundation filed an amicus curiae brief agreeing with Mr. Howell, and refuting the RIAA's motion for summary judgment. The brief (PDF), which is recommended reading for anyone who wants to know what US copyright law really says, points out that 'contrary to Plaintiffs' arguments, an infringement of the distribution right requires the unauthorized, actual dissemination of copies of a copyrighted work.' This is the same case in which the RIAA claimed that Mr. Howell's MP3s, copied from his CDs, were themselves unlawful."

Related Stories

[+] RIAA Argues That MP3s From CDs Are Unauthorized 668 comments
NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In an Arizona case against a defendant who has no legal representation, Atlantic v. Howell, the RIAA is now arguing — contrary to its lawyers' statements to the United States Supreme Court in 2005 MGM v. Grokster — that the defendant's ripping of personal MP3 copies onto his computer is a copyright infringement. At page 15 of its brief (PDF) it states the following: 'It is undisputed that Defendant possessed unauthorized copies... Virtually all of the sound recordings... are in the ".mp3" format for his and his wife's use... Once Defendant converted Plaintiffs' recordings into the compressed .mp3 format and they are in his shared folder, they are no longer the authorized copies...'"
[+] News: Arizona Judge Shoots Down RIAA Theories 197 comments
NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In Atlantic v. Howell, the judge has totally eviscerated the RIAA's theories of 'making available' and 'offering to distribute.' In a 17-page opinion (PDF), District Judge Neil V. Wake carefully analyzed the statute and case law, and based on a 'plain reading of the statute' concluded that 'Unless a copy of the work changes hands in one of the designated ways, a "distribution" under [sec.] 106(3) has not taken place.' The judge also questioned the sufficiency of the RIAA's evidence pointing towards defendant, as opposed to other members of his household. This is the Phoenix, Arizona, case in which the defendant is representing himself, but received some timely help from his friends. And it's the same case in which the RIAA suggested that Mr. Howell's MP3s, copied from his CDs, were unlawful. One commentator calls today's decision 'Another bad day for the RIAA.'"
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
 Full
 Abbreviated
 Hidden
More | Login
Loading... please wait.
  • by fredNonesuch (927976) on Saturday January 12, @06:38PM (#22019128)
    While I greatly appreciate your work in helping reign in yet another greedy monopoly abusing their powers, I have to post a correction to the original post. They did NOT argue that someone ripping a copy of the CD to the computer was unauthorized - it was the placement of a copy in the share folder for Kazaa. There have been numerous follow ups to the original assertion, including Techdirt, Gizmodo and Slashdot (noting the Gizmodo retraction) The RIAA has even clarified their position in a somewhat weasel worded quote. In essence, if you don't share, we (probably) don't care.
  • Amicus Curiae (Score:4, Informative)

    by Graham MacRobie (1082093) * on Saturday January 12, @06:48PM (#22019230) Homepage

    Had to look it up myself...

    amicus curiae [utcourts.gov] - A friend of the court; a nonparty who interposes, with the permission of the court, and volunteers information upon some matter before the court.

  • Bit off topic.. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by pionzypher (886253) on Saturday January 12, @06:52PM (#22019264)
    But is anyone else worried about this guy going to bat without representation and possibly allowing precedent to be set by his actions? Is this considered by those who would consider later cases based upon the decisions that will be made in this one?
      • Re:Bit off topic.. (Score:4, Insightful)

        by cpt kangarooski (3773) on Saturday January 12, @09:14PM (#22020388) Homepage
        That's incorrect. A trial court certainly may establish a precedent; it's just that the precedent would be influential, rather than binding. Influential effects of precedents are very common, in fact. For example, one appellate court might follow in the footsteps of another appellate court at the same level; courts in one state may look at the opinions of courts in another state as to similar laws; a state court might find that the interpretation of state law by a federal court is worth following; a court in one country might take guidance from a court in another country, and so on.

        Frankly, people cite trial court opinions all the time. An appellate court opinion to the same effect is better, of course, but that doesn't mean that the former isn't a precedent.
  • getting old (Score:4, Interesting)

    by bwy (726112) on Saturday January 12, @07:01PM (#22019352)
    These stories are getting old. We've been hearing about stuff like this for years now. At some point there has to be a truce. I would like to think that most people want to enjoy music while respecting the rights of people who make the music to make a living. I'm not sure what the answer is, but perhaps it is time for the entire middle tier (the record labels) to get ripped out of the equation and for the RIAA to be dissolved. The Amazon store shows progress- at least we are free from DRM hell.

    I'd like to see a model where when you pay for music you actually receive a license of some sort for the given song or album. This would be good for a lifetime, and when a new media format comes out, you could get the album or single reissued to you just pay for the price of the media and handling charges. As it stands I had some albums on cassette that I subsequently bought on CD and eventually lost the CDs and ended up buying the digital DRM version. I'll also have to buy the non-DRM version now if I want it. This is total B.S. and seems to be in direct contradiction to the argument that you aren't "buying music", you're "licensing" it.
    • Re:getting old (Score:5, Insightful)

      by russotto (537200) on Saturday January 12, @07:32PM (#22019620)

      These stories are getting old. We've been hearing about stuff like this for years now. At some point there has to be a truce.
      No, there doesn't. And it's like the middle east; if there is a truce, it will only be until one side sees an advantage in breaking it.

      I'm not sure what the answer is, but perhaps it is time for the entire middle tier (the record labels) to get ripped out of the equation and for the RIAA to be dissolved.
      That's a good idea, but that's not a truce; that's victory.
  • by Egdiroh (1086111) on Saturday January 12, @07:20PM (#22019520)
    I can't say I'm 100% up to date on the current batch of p2p clients but with many of the earlier generation there were common issues of false advertising:

    1. Mis-labeled song. Say it's something it's not.

    2. Clients set to not allow downloads. A lot of the older clients would let you set the maximum number of downloads to 0. Your stuff would still end up indexed, but no one could download.

    3. Host that were fire-walled off from letting people download. The communication for a lot of these networks isn't on one port from one host. So you can have clients advertising content that you can't actually get because of firewalls.


    I'm not actually pro-copyright infringement, but a demonstration of advertised content being un-downloadable really swaying a jury. Or better yet I would love the RIAA to sue someone who wasn't sharing because of firewalls and who had meticulous firewall logs, so that they could get roasted.
    • Re:Consequences? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by NewYorkCountryLawyer (912032) * on Saturday January 12, @06:33PM (#22019066) Homepage Journal

      This looks to be open and shut, so, does anyone know- If the judge is sane, and applies the law as he should, what sort of legal precedent will be set?
      A very good one.
        • Re:Consequences? (Score:5, Informative)

          by morgan_greywolf (835522) on Saturday January 12, @08:18PM (#22019970) Homepage Journal

          The EFF's view isn't any more "what copyright law actually says" than the RIAA's until a judge rules on it.


          Oh, I think NewYorkCountryLawyer knows what he's talking about. You know how people say IANAL? Well, he doesn't say that because he is a lawyer. And one that has particularly been defending copyright infringement cases lately. This is a reading of existing law, not necessarily trying to establish a 'new law' via legal precedent (which, BTW, isn't all it's cracked up to be.)
      • Re:Consequences? (Score:5, Informative)

        by DustyShadow (691635) on Saturday January 12, @08:40PM (#22020160) Homepage
        Actually contributory and vicarious liability has full support in 17 USC 106 where it says it is unlawful "to do and to authorize any of the following"

        Subject to sections 107 through 122, the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following: (1) to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords; (2) to prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work; (3) to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending; (4) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works, to perform the copyrighted work publicly; (5) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, to display the copyrighted work publicly; and (6) in the case of sound recordings, to perform the copyrighted work publicly by means of a digital audio transmission.

        Furthermore, the legislative history supports this construction of the statute in which Congress stated: "Use of the phrase 'to authorize' is intended to avoid any questions as to the liability of contributory infringers."

        In contrast, however, there is nothing in the statute or the legislative history that suggests that the making available should be infringement. It is one reading of the statute from a case in the 4th Circuit and the opinion itself was meant to be limited to libraries. (at least how I read it)
    • Thought crimes (Score:4, Insightful)

      by flyingfsck (986395) on Saturday January 12, @06:35PM (#22019096)
      Well, is it wrong to contemplate committing a crime and then not do it, or should the person be incarcerated same as if he actually did it?
      • Re:Thought crimes (Score:4, Interesting)

        by stubear (130454) on Saturday January 12, @07:12PM (#22019456)
        Ever hear of "conspiracy to [commit some crime]"? You can be held responsible for actions that would have led to a more serious crime. Just because no one downloads the files does not mean his intent was to illegally distribute intellectual property for which he did not have the rights to do so.
        • Re:Thought crimes (Score:4, Interesting)

          by Socguy (933973) on Saturday January 12, @08:08PM (#22019896)
          I'm not sure where you are based, but here in Canada, no that is not a crime nor is it a conspiracy to commit a crime. In order to commit theft, you have to take something away from the lawful owner so they don't have it anymore. In terms of copyright infringement, you are allowed to make a copy of virtually anything for personal, non-commercial use. Until the laws are changed, personal copies can come from downloading off the internet.
          • Re:Thought crimes (Score:5, Informative)

            by Myopic (18616) on Saturday January 12, @10:45PM (#22020982)
            Yes, you are correct, that's why downloading songs without paying for them isn't theft -- it's copyright infringement. The difference is just as you say -- you must deprive the original owner of enjoyment of the thing stolen. If I download a song from you, you can still enjoy the song, so it isn't theft, and people who claim it is theft are knowingly pushing lies. It isn't at all like stealing a car, in which case you could

            And while we're on the topic, it also isn't theft to skip commercials, or to time-shift, or to place-shift, or to resell anything you own, or to loan anything you own. Furthermore, libraries doesn't facilitate theft. The entire concept is so totally wrong and bad for humanity - it's frustrating to hear such lame arguments made.
      • Re:Thought crimes (Score:4, Informative)

        by jotok (728554) on Saturday January 12, @07:23PM (#22019540)
        This isn't the same as "contemplating" a crime.
        The laws that govern the use of force by, e.g., law enforcement personnel and the military, in most (if not all) nations recognize the idea of "intent." There are clear markers for judging whether or not a reasonable person intends to do something hostile.

        If you think all day of how you would like to blow up Congress, then you are guilty of nothing that can or should be prosecutable.
        However, if you think all day of how you would like to blow up Congress, then acquire explosives and study blueprints to find out how to bring the building down...well, now you are actually on the road to making your thoughts a reality. If you are caught before the bomb goes off, you cannot use "This is thoughtcrime!" as an excuse. This is also why we have laws against "attempted murder" or "attempted rape" on the books.
    • by webmaster404 (1148909) on Saturday January 12, @06:43PM (#22019190)
      It is a good thing in that it is showing the true colors of the RIAA. Even though he might lose the case, its a battle lost but we could win the war. The more people realize that the RIAA is trying to attack us doing the simple act of ripping CDs to MP3s, Joe Sixpack might actually give a second thought if he really wants/needs to spend the $15 to get a new CD. It also could help when a senator/representative finds out that this is what the RIAA has been doing all along and those who actually knew about technology were right, they could take down the DMCA and other atrocious laws. This also might make bands less likely to join a record company that's part of the RIAA (because they are music listeners too) and also start labels breaking away from the RIAA because people won't buy DRMed songs and they don't believe that "piracy" is the same as ripping MP3s. If anything, this should give more evidence into persuading people that the RIAA truly is opposing our freedoms.
    • Planning on breaking the law is not a crime. Actually breaking the law is what defines a crime. Granted, if you've planned on breaking some law and your planning constitutes conspiracy to commit a crime by definition of a law against conspiracy to commit a crime, then you've broken the law in so far as conspiracy is concerned, not as far as the actual crime you conspired to commit(unless you actually committed it).
      • He did more than just plan to break the law. He attempted to. He put the files up for everyone to grab. Subsequent to that, he had to do absolutely nothing to actually break the law except wait for someone to download one of those files.

        It just seems ridiculous to me that this man admits doing everything he needed to do to commit copyright infringement, but the EFF claims that since the RIAA doesn't know what other people did or didn't do (downloading the files), he's not at fault.
        • by Charbox (1134059) on Saturday January 12, @07:21PM (#22019524)
          Putting files up for everyone to grab is not making the copies. The people who download them are making the unauthorized copies. Under your theory, libraries can't have photocopiers because they are just putting it up for everyone to grab copies out of books and magazines.
        • He did more than just plan to break the law.

          I didn't say otherwise. I'm attempting to explain the situation as I've read it.

          He attempted to. He put the files up for everyone to grab. Subsequent to that, he had to do absolutely nothing to actually break the law except wait for someone to download one of those files.

          Even attempting to break the law is not a crime. You have not committed a crime until you've broken the law. That's how it works.

          It just seems ridiculous to me that this man admits doing everything he needed to do to commit copyright infringement, but the EFF claims that since the RIAA doesn't know what other people did or didn't do (downloading the files), he's not at fault.

          That's not what's happening here. You say he admits to doing everything he needed to do to have commit copyright infringement... if that's the case, then he did commit and he's guilty. But that's not what's being argued here. What's being argued here is that he did not cross the neccesary threshold for having broke the law.

          I'm not sure what your opinion is on the concept of "the burden of proof lies with the accuser", but I don't find that concept ridiculous at all. If he attempted to break the law, but did not in fact break the law, then he should not be punished. Have you committed copyright infringement by just putting digital copies on your computer? Have you committed it by putting them into a directory shared by file sharing software(something that can be inadvertently done due to user carelessness)? Or have you broken it once you have actually transfered a copyrighted work to another person?

          I always fall back to the simple reasoning, no harm no foul. If no copy was disseminated, then the RIAA can not show they've been victimized, then he should not be punished. In my opinion, anything beyond that is unreasonable control over individual liberty. That's my take.
        • It just seems ridiculous to me that this man admits doing everything he needed to do to commit copyright infringement, but the EFF claims that since the RIAA doesn't know what other people did or didn't do (downloading the files), he's not at fault.


          Nobody is saying he's not at fault, just that he hasn't committed copyright infringement according to the law. Attempting to commit a crime and failing is not illegal (though you might be committing another crime in the attempt), you have to actually commit a crime.

          For example, if you saw a car parked on the street with keys in it and you took it for a joy ride, thinking you were stealing it, it wouldn't be illegal if it turned out the car was purchased for you by your parents. It doesn't matter what your belief or intent is, if what you're doing isn't actually breaking the law you aren't guilty of any crime. That's what is at the heart of this issue -- is it a copyright violation if the material is never actually distributed to anyone, regardless of whether the guy intended for it to be distributed?
        • by A beautiful mind (821714) on Saturday January 12, @07:47PM (#22019744)

          He did more than just plan to break the law. He attempted to.
          Attempting to break the law is not against the law, unless there is specifically a law that makes it a crime for you to attempt to break the law (and convict you even if you don't succeed).

          Copyright infringement is not a criminal offense for a good reason, that would get you automatically prosecuted. It is breaking the law only if a.) the act of copying takes place b.) it is not fair use c.) the copyright owner does not give you permission d.) the copyright owner sues you for it and wins the court case.

          It just seems ridiculous to me that this man admits doing everything he needed to do to commit copyright infringement
          Again,the matter is not something that would get prosecuted automatically, nor should it be. If someone copies a song and the copyright owner never sues for it, in the eye of the law it is perfectly legal and deserves no punishment. There is a huge difference between a criminal case like attempted murder where even the attempt is prosecuted and between a copyright case where you're saying that it is ridiculous that an attempt is not prosecuted, which in order to realistically work would automatically mean making copyright infringement a criminal offense.