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Canadian DMCA Won't Include Consumer Rights

Posted by Zonk on Fri Dec 07, 2007 06:36 PM
from the hard-not-to-respect-a-strong-lobby dept.
An anonymous reader writes "As protests mount over the Canadian DMCA, law professor Michael Geist is now reporting that the government plans to delay addressing fair use and consumer copyright concerns such as the blank media tax for years. While the U.S. copyright lobby gets their DMCA, consumers will get a panel to eventually consider possible changes to the law. Many Canadians are responding today with a mass phone-in to Industry Minister Jim Prentice to protest the policy plans."

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  • The tighter you clench your fist... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Overzeetop (214511) on Friday December 07, @06:43PM (#21619421) Journal
    ...the more content that slips through your fingers.

    (apologies to Lucas, et. al.)
  • Those pesky rights of citizens (Score:3, Informative)

    by nurb432 (527695) on Friday December 07, @06:48PM (#21619465) Homepage Journal
    Thats the way to deal with it: 'you don't get any rights, and if you don't like it, you can appeal, if we feel like listening to you'
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Good luck with that, you see where complaining and trying to 'vote different' got us down here south of your borders.. just more of the same.

        Government is an institution larger then any one person, powered by the wealthy. It's really hard for the common ma
  • Vote with your wallet. (Score:5, Insightful)

    Use all means necessary to prevent this sort of behavior from becoming acceptable (i.e. "just the way things are") in Canada. Support independent recording artists and smaller labels who don't engage in draconian contract measures. Don't buy the mass-produced, pop culture oriented crap that's on sale at your local Huge Media Outlet. All you're doing is feeding the legal budget of the lobbying arms of major recording labels.

    Support other creative artists who choose to license their work under Creative Commons [creativecommons.org] style licenses. My personal policy for one site I manage is that all article content must be CC licensed.

    Most importantly, tell people about your views. Ordinary people on the street. People you work with. Anybody, everybody. You enjoy a system of government where you're allowed to speak your mind... that's sort of a "use it or lose it" proposition in my opinion.

    Does this mean you should stop contacting your elected officials. Hell, no. But take your personal, proactive action of your own instead of just waiting around for your elected leadership to make good decisions for you.

    • Re:Vote with your wallet. (Score:5, Interesting)

      by MicktheMech (697533) on Friday December 07, @07:23PM (#21619787)
      It's supposed to work that way, but it doesn't. If we want to reverse the course on something as far along as this is we need to
      1. Engage the media - get this to be a big topic in editorials, etc... get it in front of the general public's eyes
      2. Get access to the analysts that are proposing this type of policy in the first place. This is hard and requires people with access to the bureaucracy. People like the ones that the **AA have bought.

      I know that the EFF has some kind of presence up here, but we really need a Canadian group that can do the leg work in Ottawa. (As great as the EFF is, anything American based will be ignored.)
      [ Parent ]
        • by Geof (153857) on Saturday December 08, @12:51AM (#21621761) Homepage
          In order to stop ordinary people from violating copyright, companies have encoded content (particularly music and film) so that it requires special software to access. The software embeds rules determining what access is permitted and what access is not. Unlike copyright, which is interpreted by human beings, these rules are enforced by a machine. This law makes it illegal to circumvent the machine's determination.

          But the machine is inflexible. It doesn't know whether it's ok for a student to copy a journal article, for a researcher to look for security or privacy flaws, for a Microsoft customer to play music on an iPod. So the software prevents activities which are otherwise perfectly legitimate and legal. Where copyright grants control over some uses of a work, this technology (DRM) grants control over all uses. And the U.S. version of this law, the DMCA, by banning all circumvention regardless of the purpose, makes that control inviolable.

          That's the first problem.

          The second problem is that to decode the content, this software must be present in every device that plays it back. It's in your cell phone. It's in your DVD player. It's in your computer. In order for the law to be effective, it forbids you to interfere with the operation of the devices you own. It becomes illegal to unlock your cell phone to use it with a different wireless provider. It becomes illegal to play DVDs on operating systems other than those made by Apple and Microsoft. The only one who can determine what your devices can and can't do is someone else. You lose control of your own property.

          But that's not all.

          Access must only be given to the right people (companies that make the technology - DVD players, operating systems, etc.) but not to the wrong people (you and me). Who decides? The answer must be a single company or organization. They make the rules about who can play back content - and who can encode content too. You can't publish protected music for the iPod without Apple's permission. You can't make a device to play it back without Apple's permission either. These companies and organizations have tremendous monopoly power. Control of the content requires control of the technology (and of our property), which becomes control of the market.

          That control does not lie with artists, authors or musicians. In fact, because the technology is primarily American, it doesn't lie with Canadians at all. This law would place Canadian innovation and Canadian culture in a position of dependency relative to the United States.

          That's only the part of the law we know about. There will be more.

          Oh yes, I should mention - the copy prevention mechanisms don't work. They might stop you and me from making legitimate use of material, but they don't stop the serious pirates from profiting off someone else's work - after which ordinary folks can use those pirated copies, which, because they are digital, are perfect. This raises the question: are these technologies and laws really meant to stop piracy - are they really meant to benefit creators - or are they intended to consolidate the power of the monopoly and cartel positions of certain publishers and technology companies?
          [ Parent ]
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      I told Minister Prentice that as a former Progressive Conservative party worker, and business executive,I for one would vote with my wallet by donating to other political parties who better represent my views on this issue ... and I WILL!!

      Lets see how badl
  • Designed to fail? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by BlueParrot (965239) on Friday December 07, @07:02PM (#21619619)
    Maybe I'm wrong here, but isn't it quite common in Canada to deliberately create a law proposal so bad it won't pass as that is some times easier than opposing it? I.e, if politics is such that you can't officially oppose something, then you just create a stooge proposal which is doomed to fail instead. At least that's what a Canadian friend of me claimed, so I figured maybe this is a bit like that? Of course I could be wrong, I don't really know enough about Canada to be sure.
  • Sent to my MP, and the two ministers (Score:5, Informative)

    by SKorvus (685199) on Friday December 07, @07:20PM (#21619765) Homepage
    Honourable Ministers and Member Jim Prentice, Josée Verner, and Hedy Fry:

    I am writing as a resident of Vancouver and citizen of Canada.

    I would like to express my strong opposition to the changes to Canadian copyright law being proposed.

    Canadian laws must work for the benefit of all Canadians. Not for specific industries at the expense of everyday citizens, and especially not foreign-owned corporations.

    Artists, musicians, filmmakers and performers have a right to profit from their creations. But digital technology and the Internet have revolutionized the production and distribution of media, rendering obsolete the physical products around which copyrighted works have been based in the past.

    The burden is on publishers and creators to innovate and find ways to profit from their works that are acceptable to consumers and consistent with a world in which sharing media is free of cost and effort. It should not be the Government of Canada's role to prop up antiquated business models or forcibly subsidize industries that are unable to adapt to 21st Century realities. Crippling technology and placing onerous and chilling restrictions on the ability of citizens to communicate does not serve the public interest.

    I am concerned that this new bill to change copyright law will favour industry and lacks any meaningful input from consumer groups or experts on modern copyright law such as Dr. Michael Geist (U of O). Any bill should consider first the rights and interests of the Canadian public and consumers, before US lobby groups or international bodies.

    In the words of Canadian science-fiction author and writer Cory Doctorow, "The US's approach to enforcing copyright in the digital age has resulted in 20,000 lawsuits against music fans, technology companies being sued out of existence for making new multi-purpose tools, and has not put one penny into the pocket of an artist or reduced downloading one bit. The USA stepped into uncharted territory in 1998 with the DMCA and fell off a cliff -- that was reckless, but following them off the cliff is insane."

    Thank-you.
    • by Mr. Flibble (12943) on Friday December 07, @07:34PM (#21619887) Homepage
      I hope you don't mind if I use the above as a template and send a similar message to my MP's as well.

      Snail mail of course.

      And all Canucks out there, if you mail a letter to an MP - it does not require postage. Just drop it in the mail, and it gets delivered.

      Where possible, choose snail mail over email, snail mail gets more attention.
      [ Parent ]
  • Mass Phone in! That was me, (Score:3, Interesting)

    by king-manic (409855) on Friday December 07, @07:36PM (#21619897)
    I made a call to Mr. Prentice's Ottawa office this morning. I got a reply instantly and left a polite note stating my extreme dissatisfaction with the direction in which they were going and noting I would drop my Conservative membership if this bill is even read. I've also been mobilizing my friends and my office (one of the ladies is the wife of a senator) to kibosh this bill if it's not kosher.
  • Two words: minority government... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Hamster Lover (558288) * on Friday December 07, @07:42PM (#21619941) Journal
    I doubt the bill, at least as it currently stands, will ever become law.

    First, I would be surprised if the bill even makes it out of committee because the minority Conservatives have to beg, borrow and steal support from any and all parties for any bill to become law; they are effectively politically neutered. This has created some rather unique partnerships over the last year, with the Conservatives finding support for some bills from such ideological enemies as the left wing NDP and the separationist Bloc Quebecois. The current Parliament has been limping along like this for too long and a political showdown is coming in the form of an election. The problem is the only other party that can challenge the Conservatives, the Liberals, are laboring under an ineffective leader, an essentially non-existent platform and a divided and disorganized membership.

    Second, even without the dagger of a potential election hanging over it, this legislation will almost certainly be amended, picked apart and thoroughly scrutinized by the opposition and other parties looking to embarrass the Conservatives or score political points. This is where public furor will have the most effect. If the public and affected parties can hammer home the reality of what this bill is proposing, it will leave the committee stage with amendments to the most egregious portions of the bill. Regardless, I can't think of a single piece of legislation the Conservatives have introduced since they took power that has not come back from committee without amendments. They simply do not have the votes to overturn such changes.

    I am not trying to be unrealistically optimistic here, but I just don't see a need to panic -- yet. Call, write or email your MP and let them know your opinions.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        High-ranking means he kissed a lot of ass to get there, so he'll be damned if he steps on any toes.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        In Canada there are only two kinds of elected officials: The Prime Minister and everyone else. Only one of those has any power. It's always been a problem, but it's been ten times worse with this government.
      • by gnuman99 (746007) on Friday December 07, @07:18PM (#21619747)
        In Canada, we have a semi-hidden theocracy of Steven Harper (the prime minister). Anyone that does not agree with him, is his enemy. Even in his own party.

        When some MP from maritime wanted a better deal for his area than was being offered (and the provincial gov't there wanted it as well), Harper threw him out of the party. Then under pressure, did the exact deal that MP wanted. When asked if the MP that was thrown out would be allowed to rejoin the party, Harper essentially said that he will *never* be part of his party ever again.

        Or, he was saying that gov't would be accountable to its people and all other stuff, BS as it turns out. The day after he got a *minority*, he *appointed* a *non-elected* person to Senate *AND* into his cabinet!!! No one from the Conservative party disagreed even the former Reformers - quite sad.

        Or, he said that global warming is not real. Then when public sentiment changed, so did he and now he proclaims that his party will somehow fit it now and that is a serious problem. Major flip-flopping there too. No one disagreed on that magic 1984-style switch.

        Or, let's help the poor by cutting GST but screwing them with income taxes. Poor older people on fixed income are probably hardest hit here. Instead of drastic cuts in GST, he should have cut income taxes, but I guess it looks better if you pay $0.02 less on cup of coffee than $100 on a paycheck. The only people that disagreed were the conservatives - none were MPs.

        One can go on and on here. While Liberals where in power, he said that Canada betrayed US by not going with the 2003 invasion (something that US didn't even want anyway). Now he said he never supported that. Essentially, Harper to Canada is like Bush to US. You disagree with him, and you are the enemy. He is always right. The only thing saving his butt right now is the giant surpluses that started when Paul Martin was the finance minister (good finance minister, very bad prime minister :(.

        So essentially, high ranking or low ranking in Harper gov't means nothing. You have to follow the Harper dogma or you'll be kicked out. Any criticism is NOT tolerated.

        Will this DMCA pass? Depends. Depends if it gets a vote and that depends only if Harper wants it passed. If he does, it will go to a vote no matter what the Justice minister thinks. The only ones that can stop him are the opposition parties (its minority gov't) - fortunately Liberals are aiming for an election soon so it may be more effective trying to prod their Justice critic over this (or maybe even Dion?) than the Conservatives.

        I would categorize my self as a definite fiscal conservative, but Harper is definitely NOT a conservative. He's as much of a conservative as Bush is, which is kind of sad. :( Where are you Reform???!

        PS. If you are not Canadian, this post probably has some references you do not understand. That is OK :)
        [ Parent ]
    • Re:Canadian DMCA? (Score:5, Funny)

      by OECD (639690) on Friday December 07, @07:07PM (#21619661) Journal

      that's what, about 85% of the US DMCA?

      You haven't seen the latest exchange rate. It's actually a bit more than 100% of a US DMCA.

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:Canadian DMCA? (Score:4, Funny)

      by Jeremy Erwin (2054) on Friday December 07, @07:10PM (#21619687) Journal

      that's what, about 85% of the US DMCA?

      My consortium would like to buy 100,000 Canadian dollars from you. We are willing to pay up to $90,000 US-- $5000 over and above your quoted price. Please contact me at your earliest convenience.

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:FIRST TROUT! (Score:5, Informative)

      by snowraver1 (1052510) on Friday December 07, @07:20PM (#21619757)
      I'm going to shamelessly post after the first comment in order to get this to the top of the pile. In addition to writing letters to MPs (or emailing, which is a waste of time IMHO) this weekend there happens to be an open house at Mr Prentice's office (in Calgary) tomorrow, Saturday, December 7th from 1:00 - 3:00.

      I plan on attending and srongly urge any fellow Calgarians to come to the open house.
      [ Parent ]
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      I keep hearing about how wonderful Canada is, compared to their neighbor to the south, and then stuff like this happens which seems to show no regard for the common citizen at all!
      You'll keep hearing wonderful things because we actually have a fairly highly motivated political class who more or less raises enough outrage to keep laws on the better side of sane. Sometimes it's an uphill battle though. I think this minority governmen
    • Re:How Wonderful Canada Is (Score:4, Insightful)

      by wumingzi (67100) on Friday December 07, @08:42PM (#21620339) Homepage Journal
      I keep hearing about how wonderful Canada is, compared to their neighbor to the south, and then stuff like this happens which seems to show no regard for the common citizen at all!

      Canada is a wonderful country which is run by plutocrats rather like its counterpart to the South. The vast majority of the money and power is concentrated into a few hands. The social contract gives ordinary people a slightly better shake than their American counterparts get, but if you think it's a Utopian wonderland, you should really hang out there for a few years.

      The wedge is simple. Billions (with a b) of dollars are transferred from the US film and television industries to Canada for making feature films and serials. Don't think for a moment that those who send that money up there haven't had a friendly word with their MP, PM, and Premier about how they feel about Canadian copyright law, and wouldn't it be a shame if all this film work wound up in Austin or Rhode Island?

      [ Parent ]
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        The Liberals don't want an election, they'll get slaughtered. If the conservatives want this bill to pass they can get it through. Copyright reform isn't sexy and nobody wants to fight an election over it.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      I think I'll have to wear my tin foil outfit. It's double thick and has a full hood. Should divert the shock and prevent the MP from penitrating my mind.... all at the same time.