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Thailand Bans Teen Info On the Net

Posted by kdawson on Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:13 AM
from the no-myspace-for-you dept.
Reservoir Hill writes "Internet providers in Thailand have been prohibited from disclosing personal data about anyone under the age of 18 in a way that would allow others to gain access to them — including disclosure of their age, gender, phone number, email address, chat logon name, photo, or name of their school. Violators will face six months in jail of and a fine of $1,900. Web sites have been given one month to come into compliance." The article isn't clear on whether or not the prohibition applies to foreign sites that carry information about Thai kids.
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  • by ILuvRamen (1026668) on Sunday November 25 2007, @12:21AM (#21468061)
    Sorry, couldn't help it, I'm a programmer. What they need to do to encourage kids to not find ways around this is design the filter so when it senses under 18 related form data leaving the computer, it re-routes the kid to another page with a flash file of Michael Jackson saying "You're an idiot!" and kissing the screen. Now that would send em a message.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      What they need to do to encourage kids to not find ways around this...

      I first read this as

      encourage kids to find ways around this

      which I think is just as funny, but consider for a sec. Society benefits when the kids are encouraged to participate in official-type stuff like this. Something about feeling included. More governments should try it. I can't remember where I read - and a couple of searches aren't bringing it up - but one section of (from memory) a state government in Australia has recruited the teen "hacker" who took a few minutes to bypass the bajillion dollar government-issue "net nanny" filter. Thi

  • Does this mean that I can't put pictures of my kids on a website hosted by an ISP? I understand the privacy implications of last names and addresses, but kids pictures by themselves seems like it is going too far.

    - Malcolm
  • they just outlawed facebook - or the thai equivalent to facebook?

    I remember reading that something like 2/3 of Koreans have the equivalent to a facebook page, and I bet social networking sites are popular in thailand too.
  • Why laws like this need to cover an email address or a chat handle.
    I can understand not wanting age, phone number, address or photo to be disclosed (because those can be used to identify someone) but how does collecting, using, storing or disclosing an email address or a chat handle violate someones privacy? (most forums I know of collect but do not display email addresses)
  • no surprises here (Score:5, Insightful)

    by weighn (578357) <(moc.liamg) (ta) (nhgiew)> on Sunday November 25 2007, @01:12AM (#21468423) Homepage
    So, once again legislators completely fail to grasp the simplest of concepts relating to this communications medium. It's easy to single out Thailand due to the bizarre [slashdot.org] laws [slashdot.org] that apply to the King/YouTube/Open Source [slashdot.org]. However, this seems to happen under all governments - regressive/conservative/progressive. My own country does it [slashdot.org]. Or, hopefully the correct phrase is did it [wsj.com] now that the election was won by a party that promises tax rebates for parents buying tech for their schoolkids.

    Is it really a surprise, when you look at who the people are that draft these laws? Is it fair of us to expect them to be in touch? Perhaps what democratic governments need is a non-political, not-for-profit group that can propose some framework for national government tech policy? They could even propose different flavours for governments with either progressive or conservative agendas. At least then we may have some body of tech legislature that is based on informed analysis of what is being regulated. Easy to say, I guess...

  • Considering this protects underaged people in many ways, why not tag this "finallyprivacy" or something?
  • legislation like this is coming from a country known for it's underage sex industry.

    Why don't you guys work on breaking up the "tourism" that goes on in your country (which exists due to local police corruption in many cases) before you start passing unenforceable edicts on cyberspace? Kthnxbai.
  • You can have sex with their children, you just can't post their name?

    Or Maybe times have changed, I don't keep up to date on the pedophile scene.

  • How would a modern-day George Washington advertise his new surveying business [kenmore.org] following his father's early demise?

    George Washington began surveying at about age 15. His father's probate inventory included a set of surveyor's instruments.
    • How would a modern-day George Washington advertise his new surveying business [kenmore.org] following his father's early demise?
      He would wait until age 18. Life expectancies are much longer now than then.
  • Internet censorship (Score:3, Interesting)

    by FRiC (416091) on Sunday November 25 2007, @02:31AM (#21468857) Homepage
    The Internet censorship in Thailand is back in full force too, and all this happened right after Jimmy Wales of Wikipedia criticized the Thai government for Internet censorship during his keynote speech at the ICT Expo in Thailand earlier this month.
    • hay boyz! lol come over to my house i have a sister too Profile for hotgirl8989 Name: Chrisy Hansen State: NY Address: 30 Rockefeller Plz
    • Does disclosing personal information of your clients classify as freedom of speech, too? Don't you think there are other risks involved?

      Yes, it is a form of free speech. However, freedom is not absolute. We commonly recognize that you cannot yell fire in a theater, use certain "fighting words", or perjure yourself, all acts of free speech that we consider unreasonable. Many people (although not many people on slashdot) believe that freedom of speech can be limited by intellectual property laws. So, the

      • "informational self-determation" - a term coined by the german federal constitutional court - is not censorship. it means that you can decide which informations about yourself is given to other entities. the "right to privacy" is actually a subset of informational self-determination.

        of course, the government isn't you and therefore should not decide which information can be (or cannot be) out there.
          • this argumentation is doomed to fail, an arbitrary limit for maturity is stupid. actually, i know a sizeable number of people who would not fit into this scheme - for example, roughly a third of my former classmates.

            == first, sexual maturity ==

            i know girls who were sexual before being 12 (even before having their period). not all of them fully knew what they were doing - to hear "you can always put it out" from a slightly stupid girl is probably a huge turn-off for a young boy w
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        ...in case my meaning wasn't clear, "all websites" means all Thai websites, presumably including those sites that publish user-submitted data (i.e. social networking sites?), for some definition of "Thai website".

        So the interesting questions I can think of are: is this retroactive to information already published, such that a site might have to verify the ages of existing users? Is the site responsible moderating content and users before potentially publishing personal info, or only remove things that t
      • So, when the government tries to limit adults rights, it's bloody murder, but if it's a kid, then that's fine? I fail to see how that works RTFA.

        Prohibited information includes age, sex, phone number, email address, logon name for chat lines, photos and names of their schools.
        right now the law is protecting privacy although future changes may be something to worry about but that is nothing more than speculation at this point.
    • by DigitAl56K (805623) on Sunday November 25 2007, @01:18AM (#21468465)
      In many countries people under the age of 18 can have student loans, drive cars, drink, have sex, but now we won't let them put their contact information on the net? Teenagers are people too, and they should have the right to make contact with whomever they choose.

      Governments shouldn't muscle in as parents. If you want to reduce the abuse of minors via the Internet educate parents to help them understand the risks, and educate teens to help them understand the risks and how to avoid them. Show them some episodes of Dateline: To Catch A Preditor. Warn them about the lack of privacy on social networking sites and how easy it is to locate someone based on some simple searches. Run a mandatory 4 week annual course for all high schoolers with updated materials reflecting current threats.

      Help people understand what they're getting into, but don't start censoring them.

      If there is one thing you should understand about tech-literate teenagers, it is that they will find a way if they want to. It's better to educate and let them protect themselves than to try and protect them all with laws like this.
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        i don't think that's a good answer either. my faith in education being a tool to prevent things like this is failing. people are just too fucking stupid to be told at times.

        I can't see any reason for kids to be giving out their contact details online. if you can justify them giving out phone numbers and address's i'll concede it's a bad ideaa...

        • by DigitAl56K (805623) on Sunday November 25 2007, @02:01AM (#21468715)
          people are just too fucking stupid to be told at times

          Yes, some people are. And the problem of teen predators will never go away no matter what we do.

          Now, do we:
          A) Educate people, have a population that largely understands privacy risks, and still have teen predators, or,
          B) Put this law into place, have a population that expects their Government to look after all their privacy concerns, and still have teen predators?

          Predators aren't going away any time soon. On the other hand, the rights of the people all around the world appear to be.
    • I don't see any particular reason why kids should be allowed to put their contact information up on the web.

      From when I was only 14 years old I was maintaining my own websites, including e-commerce sites, I was developing my own shareware games and I was promoting them, I was also maintaining forums and mailing lists, and I was also publishing/selling articles and short scifi stories to magazines (and I was also trying to publish my scifi in book form by approaching publishers, but I failed in this, because publishers did not believe in teenage authors). Giving out some contact info, carefully, was required.

      • Isn't that what IRC is for? There's no need to plaster a page with your name, address, phone numbers, and everything up to and including your shoe size, if you just want to speak with friends.