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The Kremlin Tightens Its Grip on the Internet

Posted by CmdrTaco on Sun Oct 28, 2007 08:07 AM
from the more-you-tighten-your-fingers dept.
reporter writes "According to a report just published by "The Washington Post", the percentage of Russian adults having access to the Internet has risen from 8% in 2002 to 25% in 2007. This growth has attracted the attention of the Kremlin. Its allies are creating pro-Kremlin web sites and are purchasing web sites known for high-quality independent journalism. Pro-Kremlin bloggers have used their skills to bury news about anti-Kremlin demonstrations: at Russian news portals, web links to news about pro-Kremlin rallies consistently rank higher than web links to news about anti-Kremlin demonstrations. The most disturbing development is that the Kremlin intends to develop a Russian Internet which is separate from the global Internet. Russian officials are studying the techniques that the Chinese use to censor the Internet."

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  • Spooky (Score:5, Funny)

    by Stormwatch (703920) <rodrigogirao.hotmail@com> on Sunday October 28, @08:10AM (#21147555) Homepage
    Seriously. I got a "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along."
    • Re:Spooky (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28, @08:34AM (#21147709)
      > Seriously. I got a "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along."

      You must be American. I got a "Please to move along, for nothing here sees YOU!"

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    • Re:Spooky by Slithe (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @02:20PM
      • Re:Spooky by tct25 (Score:1) Sunday October 28, @08:31PM
      • Re:Spooky by Pantero Blanco (Score:2) Monday October 29, @04:11PM
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  • Not surprising (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Bearhouse (1034238) on Sunday October 28, @08:13AM (#21147575)
    Putin, and more importantly, the team of ex-KGB people around him, will of course seek to control the Internet in Russia.
    All the other media, such as newpapers and TV, are firmly pro-Kremlin. Independant journalists are imprisoned or assasinated by - of course - nameless 'enemies of the state'.

    It's a shame that the promise of democracy there turned out to be yet another 'false dawn'.

    Europe will do nothing, since the bear's paw is firmly on their throat, i.e. the oil and gas supply...

    Next up, Google et al 'voluntary censorship'?
    • Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday October 28, @08:40AM
    • Re:Not surprising by thebonafortuna (Score:1) Sunday October 28, @11:33AM
    • by reporter (666905) on Sunday October 28, @12:00PM (#21148841)
      Russian society has regressed beyond merely (1) government control of the media and (2) Kremlin-ordered assassinations that eliminate probing journalists. There is now a third way: police psychiatry.

      The "Washington Post" recently published a chilling story [washingtonpost.com] about "police psychiatry" in Russia. Powerful thugs in the government (including the police) and in commercial businesses bribe judges and doctors to declare that a mentally healthy person is mentally incompetent. Then, the "justice" (in a very loose sense of the word) system will imprison the victim in a mental institution. There, the doctors proceed to "treat" the victim with beatings and injections of psychotic substances.

      The article by the "Washington Post" mentions that Larissa Arap, a human-rights activist, was one such victim. She had written a damning article about the horrible state of psychiatric wards in Russia. In response, psychiatrists and judges -- under orders from the Kremlin -- imprisoned her in a psychiatric ward. She was subjected to 6 weeks of beatings and injections with an unknown psychotic substance. After numerous letters pleading for her life from Gary Kasparov and other human-rights activits, the Kremlin finally released her.

      What is most disturbing about police psychiatry is that it is practiced not only by the Kremlin. This "tool" is also used by ordinary Russians who want to rid themselves of people whom they dislike.

      Slashdot should create a new topic category for Russia. It deserves its own topic category for story submissions; the horrors in today's Russia should be an active topic of discussion (condemnation?) for any Westerner who has an iota of compassion. This article by the "Washington Post" should scare any Westerner.

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      • Exactly like the good old days... by n dot l (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @01:51PM
        • from bad days to better days (Score:4, Interesting)

          by sanman2 (928866) on Sunday October 28, @07:56PM (#21152593)
          I'm not Russian, I'm Asian, but from my point of view, a lot of the criticism against the Kremlin comes from pro-NATO Cold War biases. ie. Everything that NATO countries do is right, and everything Putin & Co do is wrong.

          As somebody who doesn't want to see the world return to its pre-ColdWar state of European hegemony, I'll say that I'm glad that Russians are fostering a robust sense of nationalism, because historically they've been ruled over by outsiders and foreign-imposed govts. Even if you look at the Bolshevik Revolution that brought Russia under communist rule, it was backed by Western European powers trying to undermine the Czar. That drunken Boris Yeltsin was likewise a Manchurian Candidate who used to give away all kinds of concessions on international treaties, while using his control over the media to suppress the opposition, but he wasn't criticized because the West was benefitting from his undemocratic rule. Those aren't good precedents, and I think the Russians need to develop some natural immunity against foreign manipulation.

          While some in the West cry for "more democracy in Russia," one can also note how there was a cry to "bring democracy to Iraq" -- and look what that caused. Similarly, while some will cry that Russia "must share oil" with the world, there was the similar "liberate vital oil supplies from Saddam's tyranny."

          It's good to see the Russians regaining their natural strength after having it sapped by carpetbaggers from abroad. It's their country, and I like the fact that Russians can produce politicians who are willing to stand up for their nation, even if it comes to going nose-to-nose with Westerners who think the world is their oyster.
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          • Re:from bad days to better days (Score:5, Insightful)

            by rtb61 (674572) on Sunday October 28, @09:05PM (#21153079) Homepage
            I see you miss the whole western ideal of individualism, of the rights of the individual and in turn the collective rights of all individuals over the rights of the state, especially when the rights of the state are really only the rights of a minority of greed obsessed, power mad, psychopathic individuals hiding behind a nationalistic image of a state.

            The rights of an individual and in turn the collective rights of all individuals can be shared across all humanity. Nationalism has been and always will be seen as destructive. It is nothing but self serving camouflage for the failings of a society which the power 'elite'(those crazy, fucked up, psychopaths) hide behind to gain and maintain control over the ignorant masses. That is the real threat and power of the Internet, turning the ignorant masses into the informed masses and the power elite into convicts.

            Not that democracies are always working to the benefit of individuals. In fact at the moment, there is a clear cut example of the abuse of the collective rights of individuals by the current US administration working in conjunction with major corporations and mass media, all based upon typical nationalistic lies. So no society is immune from the threat imposed by autocratic sociopaths, screaming nationalistic propaganda whilst they line their own pockets with the profits and blood of their fellow country men. A free and open internet is the best way by which to put those lies to a final well deserved end and put some of the worst criminal behind bars.

            All, no thanks to those money grubbing slimy executives hiding behind their corporate façades, like the googlites, the microsofties and the yahoos et al corporate profits over the future of humanity.

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            • Re:from bad days to better days by sanman2 (Score:3) Sunday October 28, @11:54PM
              • Re:from bad days to better days (Score:4, Insightful)

                by shutdown -p now (807394) <int19h@gmail.com> on Monday October 29, @12:16AM (#21154159)

                Europe has a glaring conflict of interest in calling for changes in Russia, which will invariably increase the likelihood of European domination of Russia. I don't think that non-Europeans should have to bow to Europeans, on penalty of being called "anti-individualist", "anti-democratic", or whatever other trumped up charge is to be coined in the moment.
                Who said Russians are not European? Ethnically, they most certainly are, being mostly Slavs. Culturally they are still closer to Europeans, even though the legacy of millenia-old asiatic despotism has left a heavy mark on the people.

                Tell you what. I'm Russian, born here in Russia and living here since birth. And I consider myself a European, and so do the majority of people who I know. The acceptance of Western ideals such as individual freedom and liberalism varies, naturally, but it's nowhere near unanimous acceptance or rejection. Our present-day "patriotic" nationalists are mostly braindead "Greater Russia" style, bent on restoring the border to the original USSR one, introducing Eastern Orthodoxy as a state religion, and advocating historical revisionism bordering on Holocaust denial (ever heard of Holodomor, Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, or the Katyn massacre? these people did, and they claim all those historical events for lies and "Western plots to undermine Russia"). Our politicians, including the President, breed nationalistic fervor where it suits them, but are otherwise busy splitting the country riches between themselves. Meanwhile, Russia is steadily falling in the various politic/economic freedom and corruption indices ever since Putin came to power, at the same time that number of government bureaucrats grows.

                So, do tell, why do you feel you have any more right to teach us than the West? At least they have the examples of their own countries, which are faring rather well last I checked, to back their words. But I don't think there's anything Asian countries have worth learning in political sphere, judging from how the ones that have most freedom and strongest economies have heavily copied the West before (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan...). And no, thank you, I do not want my country to be like the PRC or Burma.

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              • Re:from bad days to better days by rtb61 (Score:2) Monday October 29, @10:30PM
              • Re:from bad days to better days by smithmc (Score:2) Tuesday October 30, @04:49PM
              • Re:from bad days to better days by sanman2 (Score:2) Monday October 29, @05:00PM
              • Re:from bad days to better days by shutdown -p now (Score:2) Tuesday October 30, @12:21AM
              • Re:from bad days to better days by qazsedcft (Score:2) Tuesday October 30, @05:30AM
              • Re:from bad days to better days by smithmc (Score:2) Tuesday October 30, @04:53PM
              • Re:from bad days to better days by shutdown -p now (Score:2) Wednesday October 31, @12:32AM
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          • Re:from bad days to better days by n dot l (Score:1) Sunday October 28, @09:48PM
          • Re:from bad days to better days by siddesu (Score:3) Monday October 29, @02:09AM
          • Re:from bad days to better days by Johann Lau (Score:1) Monday October 29, @02:44AM
          • Re:from bad days to better days by CKW (Score:2) Monday October 29, @11:52AM
          • Re:from bad days to better days by ringm000 (Score:1) Thursday November 08, @09:28PM
      • Re:Russian Police Psychiatry: Scarier than Hallowe by rs79 (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @02:16PM
      • Re:Russian Police Psychiatry: Scarier than Hallowe by JAlexoi (Score:1) Sunday October 28, @04:29PM
      • Re:Russian Police Psychiatry: Scarier than Hallowe by Prof.Phreak (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @05:03PM
      • Re:Russian Police Psychiatry: Scarier than Hallowe by Tablizer (Score:1) Sunday October 28, @08:26PM
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    • Yes, we will by andersh (Score:3) Sunday October 28, @03:41PM
    • Re:Not surprising by The Analog Kid (Score:2) Monday October 29, @11:12AM
    • Re:Not surprising by mrsteveman1 (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @11:13AM
    • Re:Not surprising by MightyYar (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @12:46PM
    • Web by andersh (Score:1) Sunday October 28, @03:23PM
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    • The Irony by andersh (Score:2) Tuesday October 30, @06:28AM
    • Re:Not surprising by Frank T. Lofaro Jr. (Score:1) Tuesday October 30, @11:51AM
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  • Great! (Score:3)

    by deftcoder (1090261) on Sunday October 28, @08:14AM (#21147579)

    Russian officials are studying the techniques that the Chinese use to censor the Internet.
    Then they'll realize quite quickly that you can't censor the Internet. At least not for long.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacktivism [wikipedia.org]
    • Not so fast (Score:4, Informative)

      by The_Mystic_For_Real (766020) on Sunday October 28, @08:36AM (#21147717)
      It seems here that they intend to airgap their country from the rest of the world. Obviously someone could run across the border to bring DVDs, or maybe hack the phones to call an international ISP, but this will certainly make things difficult.
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    • Re:Great! by porkThreeWays (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @08:37AM
      • Hardly so simple (Score:5, Informative)

        You could very well replace the name "Russia" in the article with "United States" and I don't think it would surprise most here. I guess the pro-kremlin bloggers would then be Fox News?

        A couple of things.

        Russia is not so simple. First, Putin is enormously popular in Russia. He has put food in the belly of the Russian people, their standards of living are higher, and so on. In the mind of the average Russian, over there, someone supporting the likes of a pure democracy movement are the crooks and cronies from the Yeltsin era. Those crooks and cronies, in turn, are the very former communist leaders that they rebelled against to begin with!

        Secondly, yes, there is Fox News and they tend to feature columnists that are sympathetic to the right wing of American politics. Guess what, that's half the country dude. The only reason Republicans are in trouble now, well, there are a lot, is because of the skyrocketing cost of energy and the growing realization that the Republicans in Washington aren't so Republican after all. If you think the likes of Hannity give Bush a blank check, you'd be dead wrong. Hannity -routinely- condemns Bush on immigration and was one of the key players to stop the Bush immigration reform bill dead in its tracks. Similarly, just wait until Bush flip flops on the ridiculous law of the sea treaty or tries to enact some sort of a carbon tax. He'd be dead meat.

        Finally, the key difference between the USA and other places around the world that the left is so fond of comparing us too, is that, the left wing is allowed to spout its own opinions. If MoveOn was in Russia or China, they most certainly not exist. But then, neither would the NRA.
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        • Re:Hardly so simple (Score:5, Insightful)

          by wytcld (179112) on Sunday October 28, @10:04AM (#21148243) Homepage
          Just to keep this in perspective, Stalin is enormously popular in Russia. About 60% of younger Russians, in a recent poll, said they admire Stalin greatly. The main difference between Russia and the US now in that regard is one of degree - the base for authoritarianism in Russia is that 60% (plus some), whereas the base for authoritarianism in the US is only at the 30% of hard-core Bushies - now leaning towards Rudy - plus a few percent of the Hillary supporters.

          But those figures are for what we might call "hard" authoritarianism. There's "soft" authoritarianism that's another large block in the US: the sort that enforces "conventional wisdom" across our corporate media. It's not the stuff that FOX is the outlier on that's the key that locks the American mind, but the stuff that FOX/ABC/NBC/CBS/Time/Newsweek and often even the NY Times share as common stances and assumptions. That's what took us into the Iraq disaster in such stupid form, not that "Bush lied us into it." It's a kinder, gentler authoritarianism - that lets us believe we're a "free" people while jailing a larger proportion of our population than any other industrialized country, and ignoring the clear majority will in favor of universal health care, large-scale restructuring of energy use, and the end of corporate domination of our politics.

          I'm sure Putin would agree that Russia should only have it so good.
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        • Re:Hardly so simple by epistemiclife (Score:1) Sunday October 28, @10:42AM
        • Re:Hardly so simple by houghi (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @10:47AM
        • As a Russian living in Russia by yoprst (Score:1) Sunday October 28, @11:33AM
        • Re:Hardly so simple by shutdown -p now (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @02:33PM
        • Re:Hardly so simple by sheldon (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @03:17PM
        • Re:Hardly so simple by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday October 28, @04:31PM
        • Re:Hardly so simple by temcat (Score:3) Sunday October 28, @06:47PM
        • A bit less myopia by Burz (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @08:25PM
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      • Good thing that can't happen here! (Score:5, Insightful)

        by nbauman (624611) on Sunday October 28, @09:33AM (#21148043) Homepage Journal
        http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/07/130258 [democracynow.org] Democracy Now!
        August 7th, 2007
        Freedom Next Time: Filmmaker & Journalist John Pilger on Propaganda, the Press, Censorship and Resisting the American Empire

        John Pilger: One of my favorite stories about the Cold War concerns a group of Russian journalists who were touring the United States. On the final day of their visit, they were asked by the host for their impressions. "I have to tell you," said the spokesman, "that we were astonished to find after reading all the newspapers and watching TV day after day that all the opinions on all the vital issues are the same. To get that result in our country we send journalists to the gulag. We even tear out their fingernails. Here you don't have to do any of that. What is the secret?"
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      • Re:Great! by Fred_A (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @10:10AM
    • I think you can by Cheesey (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @09:31AM
    • Re:Great! by kdemetter (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @11:40AM
    • Re:Great! by Fractal Dice (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @01:04PM
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  • well (Score:5, Insightful)

    by FrivolousPig (602133) on Sunday October 28, @08:16AM (#21147591)
    In a world where information is power, governments who don't actually represent their people will always try to control the knowledge that their people have access to, lest they loose their grip on them.
    • Yeah but by Colin Smith (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @09:25AM
      • Re:Yeah but by unlametheweak (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @12:26PM
      • Re:Yeah but by edittard (Score:1) Sunday October 28, @03:00PM
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    • Re:well by Have Brain Will Rent (Score:1) Sunday October 28, @01:31PM
    • Re:well by iceborer (Score:1) Sunday October 28, @02:02PM
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  • I cannot help it... (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28, @08:16AM (#21147595)
    In soviet Russia... the Internet browses you!!

    I couldn't help it... sorry.
  • But we must be tolerant (Score:4, Interesting)

    by OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) on Sunday October 28, @08:19AM (#21147607) Homepage
    Of people's attempts to silence others. After all, if we weren't, we'd have to go after a hell of a lot of muslims urgently. And they do a lot more silencing than even the kremlin.
  • Adopting new tactics (Score:2, Insightful)

    by HangingChad (677530) on Sunday October 28, @08:27AM (#21147659) Homepage

    Pro-Kremlin bloggers have used their skills to bury news about anti-Kremlin demonstrations: at Russian news portals, web links to news about pro-Kremlin rallies consistently rank higher than web links to news about anti-Kremlin demonstrations.

    So, the Russians are adopting the tactics of the Bush administration. It's a sad day for Russia.

  • In other news... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by realdodgeman (1113225) on Sunday October 28, @08:30AM (#21147681) Homepage
    After 10 years of research, investigators have discovered that governments are, in fact, manipulative.
  • Wow (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28, @08:32AM (#21147691)
    So, does this mean that kremvax will be brought back online?
    • Re:Wow by PacoCheezdom (Score:1) Sunday October 28, @09:00AM
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  • Surprised? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by blind biker (1066130) on Sunday October 28, @08:37AM (#21147727) Journal
    If you are, you haven't been paying attention. All independent TV stations have been closed, one way or the other, in Russia. The same is true for newspapers, with few exceptions. And the journalists brave enough to speak up have dire times looking ahead. Remember Anna Politkovskaya [wikipedia.org]?
    • Re:Surprised? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28, @08:59AM (#21147843)
      For me, as a Russian citizen, that certainly is a huge problem. There is no free mainstream media, TV is so much controlled, that there is not much point watching it (not that there is much point watchin it in any other country, I am pretty sure about this, as I used to live in US and visit Europe quite often).

      That being said, I doubt Kremlin would control Interner media, at least if they have a little bit of brain that is. The reason being, it is quite importnat to give those liberals like myslef some breathing space and keep them off the streets and demonstrations.
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    • Re:Surprised? by Black-Man (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @09:28AM
      • Re:Surprised? by NoOneInParticular (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @09:55AM
      • Re:Surprised? by yoprst (Score:1) Sunday October 28, @12:37PM
      • Re:Surprised? by guacamole (Score:2) Monday October 29, @01:46PM
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  • The BBC is a state owned broadcaster (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Colin Smith (2679) on Sunday October 28, @08:44AM (#21147761)
    Fox is a privately owned broadcaster...

    Says it all really.
  • Obligatory (Score:3, Funny)

    by MaXimillion (856525) on Sunday October 28, @08:46AM (#21147777)
    In Soviet Russia, the government controls you.

    No, wait...
  • Russia already has a second world... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 3seas (184403) on Sunday October 28, @08:48AM (#21147787) Homepage Journal
    ...its the Russian mafia network.

    So even if the kremlin managed to create their own country internet there would still be the russian mafias world wide internet.
  • Good thing (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28, @08:50AM (#21147795)
    The most disturbing development is that the Kremlin intends to develop a Russian Internet which is separate from the global Internet.

    Mr. Putin, by all means, do so, as it would benefit most people here in the EU, and I'm sure most people in the US too. Please do separate your "internet" from the internet. The day you do, there will be 99% less phishing sites on the net.
  • Obligatory... (Score:1, Troll)

    by Yvan256 (722131) on Sunday October 28, @08:57AM (#21147833) Homepage
    In Soviet Russia, the Internet reads YOU!

  • As Long As... (Score:1)

    by Nitroadict (1005509) on Sunday October 28, @09:07AM (#21147885) Homepage
    I can still visit t.a.t.u.'s offical site, and various russian fan sites & fan-listings, as well as the numerous mp3 rotation sites; grip away, Kremlin.

    The more you tighten your grip, Putin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.
  • Pals (Score:2)

    by mattr (78516) <mattr@telebody. c o m> on Sunday October 28, @09:13AM (#21147927) Homepage Journal
    Good thing he says he's pals with Bush. Or is that because of the family links to the CIA? All Putin's doing is what he's good at. Doing what Cisco and Yahoo taught China to do, and adding a helping of 20th century Russian self-hatred and sado-control. It's too bad really, all the guy's imagination and efforts are completely warped into a useless direction that will mean nothing in the future. Making pro-Kremlin sites is okay, I was going to say he should make pro-space and pro-biotech engineering sites but on the other hand with his type of mind they will all be warped to nuclear missile and biowarfare. Good way to throw a country's future in the trashcan!
  • This will increase the brain drain (Score:4, Interesting)

    by cryfreedomlove (929828) on Sunday October 28, @09:25AM (#21147991)
    This is short sighted on the part of Russia. Russia has a brain drain problem. Silicon Valley is awash in bright Russian immigrant software developers who love the opportunities and freedoms they are getting. This increased censorship and eroding of basic rights back home in Russia will only increase that trend and leave Russia holding the bag with the beaten down and uninspired population that will remain.
  • In other news... (Score:2)

    by djupedal (584558) on Sunday October 28, @09:27AM (#21148001)
    "Russian officials are studying the techniques that the Chinese use to censor the Internet.""

    It doesn't hurt that Chinese telecom ZTE [wikipedia.org] is moving product into Russia as fast as possible, either.
  • by jollyreaper (513215) on Sunday October 28, @09:28AM (#21148007)
    The thing that I never understood, defense hawks are not really for a strong defense, a cost-effective way of protecting our home soil. Defense hawks are about big contracts and big paychecks. They'd rather pay a billion bucks for the platinum-plated solid gold whiz-bang wonderweapon but don't want to spare a nickel for the soldiers who man them.

    So much of the Cold War was snake-oil salesmen from the defense industry peddling their wares and enriching themselves and the generals while also increasing the likelihood that these weapons would be used in a shooting war.

    What's the easiest way to cut down a mighty oak tree? When you can pinch the life out of it between two fingers. In other words, just after it's sprouted. But we seem to like the idea of planting the tree in the first place, letting it get plenty of sun and rain, wait until it's grown into an imposing presence, then we get to whip out the chainsaws and dynamite. If Shel Silverstein ever wrote about this, he'd have to call it "the Stupid Tree."
    • Re:sadly enough, defense hawks are stroking boners by Lonewolf666 (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @10:24AM
      • by jollyreaper (513215) on Sunday October 28, @03:04PM (#21150357)

        I guess the tree is a metaphor for the internet in this case?
        No, the tree I was talking about are our current enemies. Wasn't much we could do with Stalin, he was a paranoid bastard. But after the fall of communism, we should have engaged with the Russians, prevented what came to follow under Yeltsin. Now the average Russian citizen associates democracy with gangster capitalism and is sick of it. They're happy with a strongman like Putin. We helped bolster Saddam after we royally fucked up in Iran, we helped create Osama and the Mujahedeen when the Soviets were fucking around in Afghanistan, etc. And rather than deal with these problems then, we let them fester so that we can then justify a massive military response in the future. Look at what we're doing with Iran now. If we'd engaged with the moderates and reformers, we could have stirred the people against the hardliners. But we went in like dick-swinging jocks and now the hardliners have the support of the people, we're looking at expensive missile defense systems to protect against a threat they don't even have yet, and are talking about going into another war.

        I'm just saying that a strong national defense is not just about guns and bombs, it's about diplomacy. Like the doctors say, the best medicine is prevention. Eat right and exercise, you've already won the battle. If the doc is cracking your chest open for a quadruple bypass, you could call that a shooting war and it's a sign you already lost. (complicated metaphor, I know.) But like Big Pharma and Medicine, the defense industry isn't about prevention or curing the disease, they're about making money off of treating the symptoms. The hospital is just as happy you had a heart attack, more moolah for them.
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    • Re:sadly enough, defense hawks are stroking boners by Fred_A (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @10:30AM
    • Re:sadly enough, defense hawks are stroking boners by Actually, I do RTFA (Score:2) Sunday October 28, @01:01PM
  • An intelligent move (Score:3, Insightful)

    by jihadist (1088389) on Sunday October 28, @09:29AM (#21148017) Homepage Journal
    As Plato said, bad propaganda conditions your people to do stupid things, and they don't have time to figure it out. I'd do the same thing, but I give Russia few chances of success, given how elusive self-governance has been for them since they overthrew their Nordid leaders and replaced them with fields of peasant Slavs.
  • Spam (Score:2)

    by southpolesammy (150094) on Sunday October 28, @09:36AM (#21148059) Homepage Journal
    Kent Brockman: "Also in the news today, a team of researchers has found that the amount of email spam has increased over 300% since the early part of this decade. Scientists are still searching for the cause of this increase."
  • Can't happen here (Score:2)

    by nbauman (624611) on Sunday October 28, @09:39AM (#21148083) Homepage Journal

    Its allies are creating pro-Kremlin web sites and are purchasing web sites known for high-quality independent journalism.
    Unlike Rupert Murdoch.
  • by barwasp (1116567) on Sunday October 28, @09:41AM (#21148099)
    nothing... CNN [cnn.com] thinks the following US news are enough:

    * Entire school system shuts for superbug scrub
    * Train kills 5-year-old boy
    * Genarlow Wilson freed | 'We want him home' Video
    * Indian tribes expel members
    * Mobile home dwellers ride out fire, wait for help
    * Fatal fetus theft leads to death sentence
    * Mob considered whacking Guiliani Video
    * Feds: Look out for shoe-bombers
    * Commander loses job amid nuclear sub probe

    ...so in the US anti-bush news are just anti-patriotic / anti-american... the only difference between the Russian news control is that Putin started a bit earlier than Bush.


    > Pro-Kremlin bloggers have used their skills to bury news about anti-Kremlin demonstrations:

    ahhh, if some CNN wievers want to learn about recent anti-bush demonstrations, tune into BBC [bbc.co.uk].
  • The free world is at risk (Score:4, Insightful)

    by WindBourne (631190) on Sunday October 28, @10:21AM (#21148311) Journal
    During the 50's, 60's, and 70's, America, and then the whole of the free world lead the planet. The reason is that we had a capitalism helping us move things alone. In particular, we developed our resources VERY quickly. Neither China nor USSR was not able to do that, because they were totalitarian states combined with command economics. Now, Russia is heading to what China is, but the difference is that China has the lead in manufacturing and Russia now has the resources, all of which America was the leader in before. The point being unless the free world quickly develops alternative and nuclear energy, we are probably going to be in the same place that we were in before, only with us on the losing end. The truth is that totalitarian govs. are VERY efficient (do not like the result? shoot it). It was the command economy that was not. If we have a low cost energy again, then the free world can expand rapidly into automated manufacturing.

  • The most disturbing development is that the Kremlin intends to develop a Russian Internet which is separate from the global Internet

    It's worth noting that a good bit of the spam and plain criminal activity on the internet comes out of Russia--the Storm botnet is largely thought to be owned and operated by the Russian mafia. The RIAA would be happy to have mp3.com inaccessible from Western markets.

    A segregation of the internet into World portions and Russian portions might have a short-term benefit as this stuff is firewalled away. Of course, the long term cost of the those ciitzens not having access to outside sources of information makes the cure worse than the disease.
  • Any surprise here ? (Score:3, Informative)

    China, Iran, we already know what kind of cultures these countries have. Why does anyone get surprised when Italy or Russia goes for censorship ? Italy is a country that rich media bosses can rule with much scandal, as they please. Russia is a country in which whoever gets too successful in criticizing the government gets killed in a car bomb. Recently russian police have beaten Gary Kasparov in an anti-kremlin demonstration.

    all countries act as per their cultures towards internet.
  • by whitroth (9367) on Sunday October 28, @11:57AM (#21148827) Homepage
    Like Faux News, and Limburger - come on, how many SELF-DESCRIBED liberals or leftists are there in the US media, or on the big, corporate websites (or, say, federal gov't sites, like say FEMA)?

    Eight or nine years ago, a columnist in the Chicago Trib counted just columnists, and in papers with overt agendas (such as Mother Jones, or the Wall Street Journal), and foudn something like 57 right-wingers, half a dozen or so "moderates', and less than that of liberals (and Molly Ivins is now gone).

    So why *shouldn't* the Kremlin do what the neofascist, pardon "neocon" media here have done?

                    mark "and show me ONE leftist with the same coverage as extreme
                                    right-wing Kato Inst."
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  • hmm (Score:4, Informative)

    by mapkinase (958129) on Sunday October 28, @12:04PM (#21148877) Homepage Journal
    Couple of words of Internet landscape in Russia. As many of you know, Livejournal is the service of choice for most of Russian bloggers and, most importantly, the only service that is used for the political discourse. Other services like number #2 in ratings, Liveinternet.ru populated by pop-music fans and all kinds of juvenile nonsense.

    On the contrary, there are many political blogs among top bloggers at the cyrillic sector of Livejournal. It interesting that the most dominant and most vocal part of political blogs are not those that advocate Western style democracy and human rights, but on the contrary are criticizing Putin from extremely right-wing position.

    I am looking at blogs.yandex.ru, 5 most cited blog entries, and among number 2 [livejournal.com] (rus) is defending arrested leader of "Red blitzkrieg" by the blogger well known for his sympathies for all things Soviet.

    number 3 [livejournal.com] (rus) is also on the same subject by the relatively well known lady journalist of the similar political views.

    The highest ranking blog among the official politicians [livejournal.com] (#22 in the all-list) belongs to a politician who was in political leadership of Latvia at the time of breakup from the former Soviet Union and spent a lot of time undermining efforts of Latvians to gain independence. Right wing.

    Blogger number 19 [livejournal.com] is a Nazi sympathizer with Russian pseudo-pagan twist.

    The lefties are presented much less among top bloggers.

    I am saying this because among quite diverse opposition to Putin right-wingers opposing Western style democracy and human-rights issues are dominating. If they would come to power, the situation would be even worse than at Putin's time from the Western point of view.

    In the West Putin's seems like an autocrat, anti-democrat, but to THAT opposition he is a Western poodle. The most viable alternative to Putin at the hypothetical condition of free election (free from government manipulation as well as foreign financial and all other kinds of support to the "liberal" opposition) would be not much famed recently chessmaster, but people like Rogozin (Russian equivalent of Le Pen or Heider).

    This might be irrelevant to the topic of censorship, but it is quite relevant to Russians.
    • Re:hmm by shutdown -p now (Score:2) Monday October 29, @04:13AM
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  • That's cute (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28, @12:19PM (#21148997)
    Bloggers actually think they have the least bit of influence on the political landscape. Especially this one from the article, in such strong words "it forces Putin's allies to respond to criticism rather than simply ignore it." Right.
  • by vlado4 (819670) on Sunday October 28, @12:34PM (#21149129) Homepage
    It is so sad to see Russia turn in this direction. My father is Russian and I have spent much time there. I did not believe him when he said that Russia will turn back to Soviet style country after Putin was elected. Now this seems to have come true.

    If you are a fan of 1984, do watch this video by the NYTimes: The Putin Generation [nytimes.com]

    This is SO much like the book. Distorting reality (Stalin being a great leader), rewriting history (Kasparov being US Citizen), hate week (creating Hate against US). Completely surreal. Would not want to live in a place like that. Makes me very sad, because Russia is such a beautiful place and most everyday people are so warm.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28, @01:11PM (#21149377)
    It is not media freedom that's important. Rather it is important how politically aware and educated the populace is. Speak to any Russian. They are aware of the limitations of their own system, who is in control, and who to excercise a strong case of cynicism over. Democracy can only exist under such circumstances. Conversely, speak to ordinary Americans. On average, the are the most ignorant brainwashed, and uninformed people that I have ever encountered. Press freedom is a part of that. Fox News / CNN are probably the foremost progaganda agencies on the face of this planet. People need education and the ability to think critically, and not 'just believe' like the members of a religious cult (eg. a 'creationist') do.
    I wouldn't loose any sleep over the actions of Putin in Russia. Although some of his methods may not be the most democratic, he is actually benefiting the prosperity of the Russian people, unlike the current US dictatorship. I am tired of hearing the complaints of Americans about other countries, when the should show some introspection and look inwards at the rotten core of their own corrosive right wing alliance between military contractors, oil companies, corporations, and religious fundementalists.
    The United States is one of the few countries that I know of where the state can now legally 'vanish' people to military tribunials and execution without any judicial accountability. Is Russia this bad? I think not.
  • by Serhei (1150661) on Sunday October 28, @01:14PM (#21149399)
    There's already a myriad of KGB lurkers on forums where the Russian intelligentsia tends to congregate, spreading FUD about emigration. Stuff like: * People who emigrated from Russia are idiots/unpatriotic/actually want to go back. * It's awesome in Russia compared to America. America sucks. Why do you not go back, dude? (Perhaps it does, but Russia sucks even more.) I'm guessing it has some effectiveness in getting people to reconsider emigrating, since they're bothering with it.
  • They helped the Chinese censor their internet. Maybe they could make a bunch of money from Russia. After all, as they said last time: "If we don't do it, someone else will."

    I guess "no evil" has a pretty flexible definition.
  • by Sleeping Kirby (919817) on Sunday October 28, @01:50PM (#21149677)

    Russian officials are studying the techniques that the Chinese use to censor the Internet


    They have techniques? I thought they just put firewalls up.
  • by CranberryKing (776846) on Sunday October 28, @02:32PM (#21150017)
    After all the US wrote the book & if they can teach the Chinese, the Russians should be a snap.

    Do you google? Do you think you know what's going on? They bought youtube so they can help you see even better. Get ready for 2008. The new programming gets deployed and will really change what you see/think.

    Hmm.. Better go watch "They Live" a couple more times.

    Believe it.
  • by hansraj (458504) on Sunday October 28, @03:24PM (#21150541)
    I saw three "In Soviet Russia.." comments to this story. One modded "funny", another one "insightful" and yet another "troll". They all basically say "the internet reads/browses/controls you". Now, if some moderators are smoking stuff, I would like some it too.
  • Oil (Score:1)

    by religious freak (1005821) on Sunday October 28, @04:06PM (#21150875)
    Sorry folks, but Putin's supposed high popularity and his ability to raise the standard of living has everything to do with oil and his repatriation of natural resources back to the state economy (Google "Yukos"). He did this on the back of the hard capitalistic work performed after the Russian revolution in Yeltsin's era. Perhaps the Russians were not patient enough to wait for the changes to take hold

    Any economy will see a dramatic, but fleeting, boost to their economy after nationalizing companies (esp when commodity prices have more than tripled). But these gains will slowly decline as the state has no ability to reinvest in its industry -- it's too busy placating the people. Eventually, this is a recipe for disaster (for a case study, look at Mexico's oil story -- Venezuela is now marching down the same path). This is basic economics.

    No one knows when, but problems are inevitable.
  • Kremlin nightmare! (Score:1)

    by jujav4ik (1172399) on Sunday October 28, @05:22PM (#21151473)

    Pro-Kremlin bloggers have used their skills to bury news about anti-Kremlin demonstrations: at Russian news portals, web links to news about pro-Kremlin rallies consistently rank higher than web links to news about anti-Kremlin demonstrations
    Heck, every time I see a definition of "Kremlin", I've got a picture of Zerg's Overmind character in mind...
  • Censorship - how it looks in practice (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28, @05:59PM (#21151761)
    i worked for russian new agency, supposedly independent.
    you know what? they don't have censorship. no, really.
    at least they don't call it censorship, they call it "stop list". it's a message in a shared imap folder that all news editors read. it describes, in plain and simple language, what people, companies or other entities should not be covered. for some it lists subjects that should not be covered, or the other way around - literally, "X: only positive, don't mention Y" etc. people, companies, ministries... some are just competitors, but there were plenty of what essentially is political censorship - all oposition parties were in this stop list.
    this was 2 years ago. i've since emigrated, partly because i don't expect situation to improve anytime soon. it's really sad.
  • Get a grip people (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 28, @06:01PM (#21151769)

    Get a grip people. The article is from the Washington Post - they have a terrible reputation for the quality of their overseas coverage, connected to the long-term reduction in journalistic resources in overseas bureaus - like Moscow.

    If you want to read news from Moscow, track Bloomberg or Reuters instead, both of which actually have substantial teams on the ground there. Or even better - read the excellent English language editions of independent Moscow newspapers like Kommersant http://www.kommersant.com/ [kommersant.com]. You don't need the Washington Post hawkish journos mangling the facts for you on Russia.

    The Internet is almost completely unfettered in Russia and quite simply there is little indication that that is going to change in the future. The WashPost article is a beat-up and a joke.

  • It starts again (Score:2)

    by Unlikely_Hero (900172) on Tuesday October 30, @10:53AM (#21171751)
    The soviet union didn't go away....the Russian Bear just hibernated for a while. Maybe we can get a soviet variant of the Hong Kong Blondes. Dear god...now I'm going to go add Russia/former Russian holdings to the list of countries I don't set foot in without being more armed than they are. Currently including *Russia et al *China *Iraq *Iran *Singapore * Suggestions?
  • by ntufar (712060) on Sunday October 28, @09:37AM (#21148065) Homepage Journal
    You are greatly exaggerating Putin's abilities if you compare him to Hitler.

    Hitler actively pursued his goals as soon as he got the power. Wile Putin did not not do anything of interest in seven (!) years (1999 - 2007) of his rule. The stunts he is pulling now are aimed exclusively at people of Russia to impress them before December 2007 parliamentary and next year's presidential elections.
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  • by Ragzouken (943900) on Sunday October 28, @11:18AM (#21148641)
    Perhaps the iCurtain?
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  • by Belacgod (1103921) on Sunday October 28, @02:09PM (#21149817)
    The Silicon Curtain?
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  • Re:Hurrah! (Score:1)

    by weak* (1137369) on Sunday October 28, @02:43PM (#21150131)
    Yeah, cuz I need more spam from them than I'm already getting...
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  • by OneoFamillion (968420) on Sunday October 28, @06:30PM (#21151953)
    They'll just have the Internyet, that way you'll never know which one you're talking about.
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  • Re:Are you sure? (Score:2)

    by temcat (873475) on Sunday October 28, @07:02PM (#21152205)
    There is no problem in publishing any information you want. If it's not loyal to the goverment - you may use right hosting..

    Don't you see the contradiction in the above two sentences?

    But usually it's all about trying to make our society unstable.

    Yeah, that's what the state media would have you believe. It's their favorite mantra: "Those pesky just want to destabilize our country!"

    Anyways, the article is indeed shitty.
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  • Re:Are you sure? (Score:2)

    by temcat (873475) on Sunday October 28, @07:06PM (#21152225)
    Those pesky just

    Must have been "Those pesky bloggers, independent journalists, opposition etc. just..."

    Forgot that Slashdot eats angle brackets.
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