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How to Dodge the Chinese Internet Censor

Posted by kdawson on Thu Oct 18, 2007 08:18 AM
from the avoiding-older-brother dept.
eweekhickins writes "A report written by a tech worker in China describes the pervasive censorship, abetted by ample manpower and funding estimated at $27 billion in US dollars. The author, who calls himself Mr. Tao, also writes that plenty of Chinese are finding ways to resist censorship, and offers tips on how to keep evading Big GeGe (that's Older Brother). Not surprisingly, self-censorship is very prevalent. Also not surprisingly, the authorities are starting to catch on to things like RSS feeds. It's another race for survival between the tiny mammals and the lumbering dinosaurs." Here's Mr. Tao's report (PDF), written under the auspices of Reporters Without Borders.

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  • Where are all the English teachers? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BadAnalogyGuy (945258) <BadAnalogyGuy@gmail.com> on Thursday October 18, @08:26AM (#21023699)
    What I really don't get is how we always hear about Chinese people trying to break through their Great Firewall and avoid government censorship in order to tell us how it really goes down inside the country, but we hardly ever hear about these atrocities from American, English, and Australian English teachers who go over there for a few years to teach. They come back and tell us about all the fun they had and the great experiences they enjoyed while over there, but never how the government was always breathing down their neck or how they were forced to censor themselves.

    It makes me wonder who those people are who are complaining the loudest (you know: the ones who aren't getting heard). While I have no doubt that there is a significant amount of pro-government propaganda, I wonder if all this bellowing isn't just a bit overly melodramatic.
    • Re:Where are all the English teachers? by tomstdenis (Score:2) Thursday October 18, @08:31AM
    • by flyingfsck (986395) on Thursday October 18, @08:35AM (#21023811)
      If you are paid enough, then any country is pleasant. The locals may have a much tougher time time though: Small living quarters, not enough money for utilities, food, clothing, just scraping by. If you don't have enough money, living is tough everywhere, even in Europe, Canada, USA, Russia, it doen't matter where.
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    • by Xest (935314) on Thursday October 18, @08:37AM (#21023837)
      I think you have to remember China is a pretty big country with a whole lot of people.

      Most English teachers probably end up in the well populated large cities, where life is a whole lot more westernized whereas I'd imagine a lot of the oppression, human rights violations and such occur more in the outer regions where the sweat shops are and where the Chinese goverment isn't willing to invest in learning English as it is in the major business centres. As you quite rightly point out, plenty of people go to China and come back as English teacher but not only that, think of all the business people and tourists that also go and come back without these tails.

      I could be completely wrong, but again I'd guess it's because the China Westerners see and experience isn't the China that the majority of the Chinese population experience. Beijing is probably the most commonly visited and heard of part of China for Westerners yet it only holds around 13 million of China's 1.3 billion people.
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      • by Notquitecajun (1073646) on Thursday October 18, @08:43AM (#21023903)
        I concur, it's probably not too dissimilar from Cuba and other authoritarian-driven countries; the established powers DON'T want outsiders - particularly those with high standards of human rights - to see the ugly underbelly of their country. There are places in China where Westerners cannot get access...it actually makes for an easy form of travel. Go somewhere you're not supposed to, act like you're lost, and tell the guys with the guns that you were coming from where you were actually going and they're sometimes get you there.

        If you're paranoid about the "evil bushies" in DC and their hold on power, keep in mind that it's easy to get out the message and disillusionment found here to other countries. Not so much in places like China, North Korea, Russia (Soviet or not)...simply because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it isn't going on.
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      • by arivanov (12034) on Thursday October 18, @09:01AM (#21024107)
        (http://www.sigsegv.cx/)
        Err...

        Is it me being daft, or this is the same region where all of the so called "dissidents" dwell? So I do not quite see your argument.

        You do not get to hear "cittizen journalism" from Li Average (assuming he is the counterpart of Joe Average) from a village on the outskirts of the Inner Mongolia deserts where 30%+ of the population has AIDS from selling their blood to dodgy companies for a living 5-10 years ago. You do not get to hear "cittizen journalism" from Chang "Average" from a village downwind of Harbin where 10%+ of the newborn are born with deformities from the uncontrolled pollution blown on top of them from the big metropolis and the poisoned water they have to drink. You do not get...

        Frankly, as someone who has lived behind the Iron Curtain in the days when it was still up and someone who was involved in some of the unrest which followed for the next 5 or so years I can tell you this for sure: half of the so called dissidents are on the payroll of the west, the other half are on the payroll of the local KGB/KDS/Stazi equivalent. The ones that actually do that because of their ideas, beliefs and morals are a minority. Probably less than 10% and they do not tend to last. Sooner or later they have to chose which briefcase with cash to take unless they want to walk the plank.
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    • Re:Where are all the English teachers? by r6144 (Score:3) Thursday October 18, @08:42AM
    • by betterunixthanunix (980855) on Thursday October 18, @08:54AM (#21024025)
      The Chinese know better than to allow foreigners to see what is really happening. The oldest trick in the dictator book is that, when you are doing something that looks bad in terms of international politics, you don't let people who you don't have jurisdiction over (or won't have jurisdiction over after some period of time) see anything other than smiles. Westerners see advanced technology, clean, white offices, and citizens living normal lives, but ask those English teachers and engineers where they went, and you'll hear the same few locations over and over. Now, examine the rest of the country, and a different picture is painted. It's not just China; the USSR, Nazi Germany, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Iran, various African nations, etc. Foreign visitors don't see prisons or torture, nor do they see the fearful citizens. They see universities, computer centers, engineering design labs, and so on.
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    • Well, we laowai (foreigners) here in China are granted more leeway, and the worst thing that can happen is that you're deported. Torbjørn Færøvik, a Norwegian author who wrote a fairly successful travelogue about a trip he took through China with a lot of commentary on Chinese politics and history comes to mind. I heard him speak at a small lecture in Oslo last year, and he mentioned that the last time he tried to go to China they wouldn't let him in because of what he'd written about the country. Of course they aren't going to do anything to me, a white, foreign student, for talking to someone about Tibetan independence, but if Tibetan monks make a peaceful protest saying the same, they get shot down with AK-47s [nytimes.com]. Really, an English teacher's experience in Beijing is not exemplary of how the average Chinese person has it. The CCP would never dare doing anything to a laowai.

      But really, most Chinese are pretty much politically apathetic. The common worker has no time to even think about politics, having to work 14 hours a day just to feed their family. The bloggers are a minority, and the democracy movement here is just too small and unorganized to do anything. But people are in fact scared of saying anything bad about the CCP - every time I try to bring politics up with a taxi driver or whoever they just stop speaking to me. This lack of freedom of speech contributes to make people more complacent, as they don't even know about the Tiananmen protests or the truth of China's role in Tibet.

      But hey, it's damn fun being here as a student!

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      • by p0tat03 (985078) on Thursday October 18, @10:11AM (#21025253)
        (http://www.jerrywong.net/)

        But really, most Chinese are pretty much politically apathetic.

        So sad, and so true. My girlfriend spent most of her childhood in China, and just now am I starting to get her interested in politics and social issues again. There is so much fear that's been instilled to them since childhood regarding politics that most stay apathetic to it out of fear for reprisal, not actual apathy, and the educational system doesn't help either. I've actually heard claims that the Chinese get democratic elections (via electing their local CCP representative!)... which is just a plain lie.

        The worst part is, many see political victims as not their problem. As in, when Li Average gets dragged off to the gulag for making a stray negative comment about the government, his neighbours do not respond in fear for themselves, nor do they think less of their government for such a transgression, but rather blame Li Average for being as careless and stupid as to let those words out of his mouth in the first place (despite the fact that everyone is thinking it). You have to give the CCP some credit here, they've successfully molded a society where getting jailed for free thought is now the thinker's own damned fault. There is absolutely no sympathy in the general population for the people who speak out against oppression, and it's hard to have hope for the political future of China because of this.

        Keep in mind also that the level of repression differs from area to area. Generally speaking cities are extremely free-thought-repressed, and voluntarily so. These people are making too much money, and having too good of a life from the newfound Chinese prosperity, to risk it all to talk smack about the government. As you go out to the rural areas and to industrial cities, though, the gloves come off a bit. Nothing truly revolution in nature, still, but at least you've got people who are at least willing to bitch about policies and procedure.

        That is perhaps the saddest part. Instead of merely a ruling elite oppressing everyone, China is rapidly evolving into a system where the rich will gladly support the government's atrocities to ensure that they stay wealthy. That is probably sadder than just a bunch of egomaniacal politicians ruling with an iron fist.

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      • Re:Where are all the English teachers? by BadAnalogyGuy (Score:3) Thursday October 18, @10:39AM
      • Re:Where are all the English teachers? by Heir Of The Mess (Score:2) Thursday October 18, @10:50AM
      • Re:Where are all the English teachers? by mattington (Score:1) Thursday October 18, @12:05PM
    • Re:Where are all the English teachers? by cryfreedomlove (Score:3) Thursday October 18, @09:00AM
    • by BobGregg (89162) on Thursday October 18, @09:31AM (#21024549)
      (http://www.bobgregg.com/)
      >> It makes me wonder who those people are who are complaining the loudest
      >> ...While I have no doubt that there is a significant amount of pro-government
      >> propaganda, I wonder if all this bellowing isn't just a bit overly melodramatic.

      It's not. Sorry. My wife (who is from Beijing) has taken me back over there twice, and we've spent time with a lot of her friends, most of whom are fairly well to-do (relatively speaking), and/or have connections in the government. The adults all recognize, and talk about (in hushed tones), the current state of things. Though things have opened up somewhat, there's still no way to talk openly about the government. Even doing so in your own home, at your own table, makes people distinctly uncomfortable.

      Go to a magazine or newspaper stand in Beijing (or any major city in China); the difference is immediately obvious. There are *no* political or public affairs publications. At all. None. All the magazines are about fashion, tourism, whatever else. Nobody talks about the government, unless they're prepared to go to jail.

      The censorship is real, the political repression is real, the impact on the real, day-to-day life of the citizens, even in Beijing, is real. Things are way better than they used to be (for some), but there is still a long way to go.
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    • Re:Where are all the English teachers? by jank1887 (Score:2) Thursday October 18, @11:47AM
    • When Big Brother is your neighbor by wsanders (Score:2) Thursday October 18, @12:35PM
    • Re:Where are all the English teachers? by m0e8899 (Score:1) Thursday October 18, @03:42PM
    • Re:Where are all the English teachers? by kobster (Score:1) Thursday October 18, @08:55PM
    • Re:Where are all the English teachers? by gr8scot (Score:1) Thursday October 18, @11:35PM
    • Re:Where are all the English teachers? by bigpappy (Score:1) Friday October 19, @09:35AM
    • Re:Where are all the English teachers? by jamar0303 (Score:1) Thursday October 18, @10:33AM
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  • self censorship (Score:5, Funny)

    by carndearg (696084) on Thursday October 18, @08:28AM (#21023727)
    (http://www.wedding-organizer.co.uk/ | Last Journal: Monday October 01, @06:15AM)
    I was going to make a really witty comment, but I'd better not...
  • Sure hope they're not using Google (Score:3, Insightful)

    by speaker of the truth (1112181) on Thursday October 18, @08:29AM (#21023737)
    I sure hope they're not using Google or Yahoo in their illegal activities, or else Big GeGe just might knock on their door tomorrow night.
  • In China, we sometimes use "little sister" to refer to the people hired by the authorities to check posts on Internet forums for political correctness. Of course this is sort of a parody to "Big Brother", but indeed most such people are just young, politically unmotivated university students, frequently female, that are looking for some pocket money.
  • by JK_the_Slacker (1175625) on Thursday October 18, @08:35AM (#21023809)
    (http://www.slaxer.com/)

    "Hey, according to this report, you can avoid censorship by... wait, where are you taking me?"

  • Eluding censorship (Score:3, Insightful)

    by QuietLagoon (813062) on Thursday October 18, @08:36AM (#21023825)
    Well, this section of the report is not too smart.

    Let's tell the powers that be all the ways in which we bypass their censorship so they can close the loopholes.

    What was he thinking?

    • Re:Eluding censorship (Score:5, Insightful)

      by betterunixthanunix (980855) on Thursday October 18, @08:48AM (#21023973)
      Hardly matters. If the Chinese government had a real need to block those techniques, they wouldn't need that report to discover them. A well-rounded programmer or IT pro. could tell them the weaknesses of whatever system is in place. What it really boils down to is that there are not enough people employing these "under the radar" methods for the Chinese government to care. If 50% of the population was using steganography to sneak forbidden messages around, you can bet that with or without this sort of report, the Chinese government would be scrutinizing every image, audio, and video file transferred over their piece of the Internet.
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  • oh wait, that was just banned in britain [slashdot.org]

    but seriously, an easy to use, serially updated very small text only guide in every language that would allow your average computer idiot to avoid censorship as quickly and as painlessly as possible. no software, just a simple set of swiss army knife style techniques, everything from as obvious as "safe" sites to visit to low grade OS manipulations to keep yourself anonymous and keep yourself connected to noncensored news

    of course, governments would get their hands on this guide too. it would need to be serially updated. but the old problem of the enemy knowing what you know still leaves a niche of techniques that need to remain common knowledge in heavily censored countries, regardless of governmental knowledge that you know those techniques. some techniques and basic network knowledge are just useful to know no matter what

    the internet anarchist's cookbook?
  • From the PDF... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by kilo_foxtrot84 (1016017) on Thursday October 18, @08:51AM (#21023995)

    A South Korean website polled its visitors about their nationalism in August 2006, asking them: "If you were reborn, would you want to be Korean again?" The Culture and Debate sections of the website Netease copied the idea, asking visitors if they would want to be Chinese again. The poll ran from 4 September to 11 October. Of the 10,000 people who participated, 64 per cent said they would not want to be Chinese. The main reasons identified were: "Being Chinese is not honourable," "You cannot buy a house in China, happiness is too inaccessible," "No reason," "You cannot crack jokes in China" and "You cannot see good cartoons in China." Netease had to fire Culture section editor Tang Yan and Debate section editor Liu Xianghui. And the Debate section was closed down.
    Thus, the obligatory question: if you were reborn, would you want to join Slashdot again?
  • Internet censorship is a cat and mouse game that the mouse can always win.

    You can get around most any blocker if you use a web proxy. At least until the blocking agent gets smart enough to put the web proxy on the list. When they do, just move to another proxy. Rinse, lather, repeat. A good list of proxies is at http://pxylist.com [pxylist.com]. That list is better than others as its actually monitored and the proxies are always up.

    Of course there are other ways to get around web blockers, but web proxies are the easiest to use.

  • brainstorm (Score:1)

    by Sicnarf (529730) on Thursday October 18, @09:43AM (#21024749)
    (http://sicnarf.com/)
    there should ideally be a p2p network, that connects to proxies outside of china to forward http connections. users can anonymously connect via an encrypted connection (so content filters can't read data) to this network. problem: how to find multiple high bandwidth proxies outside of china, who won't get detected?
    • Re:brainstorm by JeanBaptiste (Score:1) Thursday October 18, @02:42PM
  • My recent experience... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Brit_in_the_USA (936704) on Thursday October 18, @10:25AM (#21025503)
    I was in Central china a few months ago on business. I was given no information when I landed about Internet policy from the official staff at the airport and nor did the hotel I stayed at provide any.

    I got fast Internet in my room and proceed to web browse as normal.I used IM and skype from my local connection too.

    I noticed that sometimes the BBC news site would load and sometimes it would not. During those "down" times I simply used hamachi to VPN to my server at home and browse from there via Remote Desktop. I guess this is no different to corporate laptops that proxy though their companies VPN for all web activities.

    In short I guess the great firewall was overrated?
  • Freenet (Score:2)

    by Pegasus (13291) on Thursday October 18, @10:52AM (#21025945)
    (http://nerv.eu.org/)
    Well someone should localize freenet [freenetproject.org] into Chinese and all the problems will be gone ...
    • Re:Freenet by darkbeethoven (Score:1) Thursday October 18, @09:17PM
  • **really** big brother (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 18, @12:17PM (#21027527)
    "Big GeGe" is "big brother" ? GeGe is older brother (or as we generally call it in English, "big brother").

    Wow. China has surpassed Orwell's England and created the institution of "big big brother"!
  • by IHC Navistar (967161) on Thursday October 18, @04:54PM (#21032351)
    The Idiot's Guide To Getting Around Chinese Internet Censors, Vol. 1

    Step 1: Get out of China.
  • I'm mean, if you're not allowed to criticize China's government but want to, couldn't you just post things like:

    "Oh yeah, the Chinese government is sooooo well run, and renowned throughout the universe for it's tolerance and compassion... Gosh, what's not to like? They *never* thrown innocent people in jail, oppress citizens in *any* way, and it's a well known fact that the workers earn *huge* salaries and work under the most comfortable and safest environment every conceived of in the history of mankind. Isn't awesome knowing that, when the literally runs you over with tank - that not only did they do it to protect the safety of everyone - but that they also didn't run you over with tank? Because if there's one thing the Chinese government would *never* do, it's run you over with tank. We should all make sure we never get together next Tuesday at the corner cafe and talk about this."
  • by STDK (1084535) on Friday October 19, @02:32AM (#21037901)
    the report is blocked in China. Actually Reportes website all together is blocked.
  • Re:Big Gigi? (Score:2)

    by faloi (738831) on Thursday October 18, @08:34AM (#21023787)
    I would say that preventing Gigi from being shown is a case of censorship done right.
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  • Re:Big Gigi? (Score:2)

    by querist (97166) on Thursday October 18, @10:15AM (#21025329)
    (http://www.nova.edu/~gowinggl)
    Gege (I can't make Slashdot show the Chinese characters for this) means "Older brother", so "Big Gege" is redundant in this context.
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