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Universal and Sony Plan "Free" Music Service
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ScuttleMonkey
on Sat Oct 13, 2007 01:34 AM
from the get-what-you-pay-for dept.
from the get-what-you-pay-for dept.
Damon Tog writes "Macworld reports that Universal Music Group has enlisted the help of Sony to join forces in a new music service. The price of the subscription is expected to be built-in to the cost of digital music players, leaving the music 'free' to the consumer. 'The plan is still in flux and faces several hurdles, BusinessWeek notes. Among them is finding a business model that allows the hardware makers to subsidize the cost of the music. In addition, the labels have tried to develop their own online music services before without success.'"
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And the reason is you... (Score:3, Insightful)
People want music in several formats.
People want music that plays over all devices they own.
People want music in varying quality, and are willing to scale the pay of a song to the quality.
People are not willing to pay more than a song is worth. (This is the biggest issue for the labels)
If a service is build instead of a program, the company will be successful.
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selling horse carriages. When they forced the original napster out of business, they then took it's model (and name)
and made it legit. The
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From a music industry exec (Score:4, Interesting)
People want music that plays over all devices they own.
People want music in varying quality, and are willing to scale the pay of a song to the quality.
People are not willing to pay more than a song is worth. (This is the biggest issue for the labels)
We've figured it out now. People want free (as in beer) music! That's why we have rampant piracy and such lackluster sales. Right? Duh. Those mindless buggers care for nothing but free. But since these music-playing handheld machines still are selling like hotcakes, there must be some way we can get money from them instead!
Obviously we just have to make music "free", and people will buy... erm, rent... er, hang on... enjoy (yes!) our music again!
Trust us, our plans are brilliant this time!
Oh... and I shouldn't write this... It's supposed to be a secret, but here goes: Since this "free" service obviously needs to be limited to the specific devices that are paying us, there must be some DRM involved. That means that we can at any time change this into a pay-per-play scheme. See how clever we are!!!
We should have done this sooner! World domination! We've learned now! Those selfish consumers want nothing but free, so we'll give them "free", all right. Ha! this time, we cannot loose! Brilliant, I tell you!
Good Sign (Score:2, Insightful)
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it's en fuego (Score:5, Funny)
Initial reports indicate this offer is really "heating up", but that's only because the music players use Sony batteries.
"Free" as in "Sony" (Score:5, Insightful)
- Free as in speech (you're free to do what you want with it)
- Free as in beer (you get it for free)
- And now there's free as in Sony (we're free to fuck you after we have your money)
No thanks, Sony and UMG. Fool me once, can't get fooled again.All the music fit to hear (Score:4, Interesting)
It's like radio, but with more room to roam in your cage.
The problem is that selling cages to consumers has traditionally led to them escaping, or not entering in the first place in great numbers...
It gets worse for the music industry (Score:2)
Among them is finding a business model that allows the hardware makers to subsidize the cost of the music.
Er, right.
The music industry has an even worse problem coming up. The music player industry will probably be eaten by the phone industry. Mos
I still long for the day (Score:2)
Playing Let's Pretend for a minute, if I owned an online music store I would offer music in MP3 format and also FLAC for the advanced users.
People could then download the FLAC ve
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"Advanced users" using FLAC don't need you to provide some crappy tool.
Magnatune [magnatune.com] already does what you suggest, including the optional FLAC downloads. Presumably the typical musician isn't impressed with the concept, or it would have conquered the marke
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Sounds like another non-starter. Think DivX (Score:2)
This is actually a great move (Score:5, Insightful)
This creates two incentives. The first is to increase the sale of tunes, since the other players depend on the tunes not the player as their main business. So they want more tunes sold. But as long as there is an Apple monopoly of sold tunes, this isn't going to happen, and there is nothing they can do about it.
The second incentive is to compete with Apple as a retailer.
So, because of the success so far of the Apple strategy, all they can really do is emulate it: come up with another store, another player, a different format, and tunes locked to it. Since they have to overcome an incumbent, they will be reduced to making his attractive by initially lowering the price of the tunes and using a different locked format, to make people use their player. This will be a replay of competing format wars that we have seen with hardware formats in the past.
We will then move to the stage, which we have seen previously in media with different consumer formats, where consumers still refuse to buy the stuff because they hate incompatible formats. After a while of this an unlocked standard will emerge. I don't mean a standard that is not copy protected, but one does not lock purchased tunes to players from one particular vendor, or make them be purchased by one specialised bit of software or currency. It will work just like CDs and DVDs do now: buy your content wherever you want from one of a variety of independent outlets, using whatever payment means you want, and play it on the player of your choice, from one of several manufacturers.
The Apple strategy has worked well for a while, but it has within it, like all DRM based attempts to tie up your use of what you buy, the seeds of its own destruction. It is not a sustainable business model longer term. The present model for music and CDs was. The only thing that is destroying it is overpricing from the content publishers.
Apple is far better placed to deal with the implosion of the business model. Its trivial to take locking off the iPod and iTunes store. And if the money falls out of the tunes market, it hardly affects them. For the content owners, their whole model is falling to bits in well defined stages that we have previously seen in other format wars. It is what is coming towards us.
IDDIIIIIOOOOOTS (Score:5, Insightful)
The real question is: who put them in charge? Their proposed exit strategy for media distribution sounds as "shoot us in the leg". If I had any stok or option on those companies I would consider selling them now before is too late.
Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, Pot. (Score:3, Insightful)
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What the title should be... (Score:4, Funny)
Unbelievable (Score:4, Insightful)
2. Don't they realize that their antitrust combination to try to defeat Apple would be a flagrant violation of antitrust law?
3. Why are they incapable of just trying to compete with someone in a fair and open way?
4. Who in the US would be stupid enough to patronize their new venture and thus subsidize their RIAA lawsuits against the American people.
5. SONY BMG are the guys who just testified in Capitol v. Thomas [blogspot.com] that it is illegal for people to copy their cd's onto their computers for personal use.
Anyone who would buy anything from these companies is an idiot.
Re:One thing worth knowing (Score:5, Insightful)
The most important question is the one that the major labels always forget to ask: what value does this bring to consumers? With Amazon selling MP3s, why pay $100 extra for a player, which is designed to break in 18 months?
Better Question (Score:4, Insightful)
And as such, here's a better question: What happens to the music when you stop paying the subscription?
Most subscription services of that type cancel all of your music when you're done. Are you going to want to pay two or three years worth of subscription fees and end up with nothing?
Re:One thing worth knowing (Score:5, Insightful)
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Large amount of fairly steady, predictable revenue every month, no matter what people actually want
-they get monthly fees whether or not you use a device or the associated service [say, if the device is lost or
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Yeah -- since this is by the industry, wait till you see the price. It'll probably be something like $150 + ($1.50 * song_capacity).