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Universal and Sony Plan "Free" Music Service

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Sat Oct 13, 2007 01:34 AM
from the get-what-you-pay-for dept.
Damon Tog writes "Macworld reports that Universal Music Group has enlisted the help of Sony to join forces in a new music service. The price of the subscription is expected to be built-in to the cost of digital music players, leaving the music 'free' to the consumer. 'The plan is still in flux and faces several hurdles, BusinessWeek notes. Among them is finding a business model that allows the hardware makers to subsidize the cost of the music. In addition, the labels have tried to develop their own online music services before without success.'"

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  • And the reason is you... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by creativeHavoc (1052138) on Saturday October 13, @01:47AM (#20963941) Homepage
    The reason there have been so many failed music stores, especially when they have been built by the root content distributers themselves, is they don't want to take the time (and therefore money) to sit down and develop (not just build) an easy to use, intuitive, open music distribution software. They are marketing driven, and as such, this software it looked at from a marketing stand point. Full of buzzwords and trends, but no strong basis on what people want.

    People want music in several formats.
    People want music that plays over all devices they own.
    People want music in varying quality, and are willing to scale the pay of a song to the quality.
    People are not willing to pay more than a song is worth. (This is the biggest issue for the labels)

    If a service is build instead of a program, the company will be successful.

    /rant
    • What the *AAs need to accept is that the model of printing media and selling it at a giant markup is as obsolete as
      selling horse carriages. When they forced the original napster out of business, they then took it's model (and name)
      and made it legit. The
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Arg, Parent is so technocratic it hurts.

      People want music in several formats.
      Of course they don't! The wast majority of people who buy music want to listen it. If formats get in the way, that's bad. If they don't, it's good.

      People want music in varying qu
    • From a music industry exec (Score:4, Interesting)

      by PMBjornerud (947233) on Saturday October 13, @07:35AM (#20965095)
      Ok, ok. So I'm not really a music industry exec. But I think like one:

      People want music in several formats.
      People want music that plays over all devices they own.
      People want music in varying quality, and are willing to scale the pay of a song to the quality.
      People are not willing to pay more than a song is worth. (This is the biggest issue for the labels)
      No, no, no. Nono. No!

      We've figured it out now. People want free (as in beer) music! That's why we have rampant piracy and such lackluster sales. Right? Duh. Those mindless buggers care for nothing but free. But since these music-playing handheld machines still are selling like hotcakes, there must be some way we can get money from them instead!

      Obviously we just have to make music "free", and people will buy... erm, rent... er, hang on... enjoy (yes!) our music again!

      Trust us, our plans are brilliant this time!

      Oh... and I shouldn't write this... It's supposed to be a secret, but here goes: Since this "free" service obviously needs to be limited to the specific devices that are paying us, there must be some DRM involved. That means that we can at any time change this into a pay-per-play scheme. See how clever we are!!!

      We should have done this sooner! World domination! We've learned now! Those selfish consumers want nothing but free, so we'll give them "free", all right. Ha! this time, we cannot loose! Brilliant, I tell you!
      [ Parent ]
  • Good Sign (Score:2, Insightful)

    This is a sign that more of the labels are starting to realize they need to change with the times and will (hopefully) stop blaiming the lack of interest in buying CDs on piracy alone. With any luck more things like this will start to happen soon as compa
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      On the other hand, it's a bad sign because the music industry is just finding new ways (or, perhaps, rediscovering old ways) to exert unnecessary control over their product. Hardware lock-in is bad for the consumer, because it limits consumer choice, but
  • it's en fuego (Score:5, Funny)

    by User 956 (568564) on Saturday October 13, @01:55AM (#20963973) Homepage
    Macworld reports that Universal Music Group has enlisted the help of Sony to join forces in a new music service.

    Initial reports indicate this offer is really "heating up", but that's only because the music players use Sony batteries.
  • "Free" as in "Sony" (Score:5, Insightful)

    So we have:
    • Free as in speech (you're free to do what you want with it)
    • Free as in beer (you get it for free)
    • And now there's free as in Sony (we're free to fuck you after we have your money)
    No thanks, Sony and UMG. Fool me once, can't get fooled again.
  • All the music fit to hear (Score:4, Interesting)

    by SuperKendall (25149) on Saturday October 13, @02:07AM (#20964027)
    So, would said player let you load any of your own music on it? Or is this a device where you get to hear how great whatever artists a limited set of studios thinks are good enough for you?

    It's like radio, but with more room to roam in your cage.

    The problem is that selling cages to consumers has traditionally led to them escaping, or not entering in the first place in great numbers...
  • Among them is finding a business model that allows the hardware makers to subsidize the cost of the music.

    Er, right.

    The music industry has an even worse problem coming up. The music player industry will probably be eaten by the phone industry. Mos

  • where I can download an album in a lossless format so I can convert it myself.

    Playing Let's Pretend for a minute, if I owned an online music store I would offer music in MP3 format and also FLAC for the advanced users.

    People could then download the FLAC ve
    • Re: (Score:2)

      "Advanced users" using FLAC don't need you to provide some crappy tool.

      Magnatune [magnatune.com] already does what you suggest, including the optional FLAC downloads. Presumably the typical musician isn't impressed with the concept, or it would have conquered the marke

    • Re: (Score:2)

      I don't want it in flac. I want a zip file that contains an ISO and images for packaging. I then want a discount for doing the manufacturing myself instead of paying extra for it. I can rip to flac myself, but I want to know that when I make a CD and pu
  • For this to actually work they'd need not only to have a sufficient number of these players in the hands of listeners, they'd also need to have more material available than just Sony and Universal stuff. It's not even clear if Sony Records is on board for
  • This is actually a great move (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Budenny (888916) on Saturday October 13, @03:54AM (#20964321)
    This is a great move, because it will reveal the absurdity of the present locked player situation. Its a classic stage in industry evolution. Stage one is, some company (Apple) comes out with a format for purchased tunes which will only play on its own player.

    This creates two incentives. The first is to increase the sale of tunes, since the other players depend on the tunes not the player as their main business. So they want more tunes sold. But as long as there is an Apple monopoly of sold tunes, this isn't going to happen, and there is nothing they can do about it.

    The second incentive is to compete with Apple as a retailer.

    So, because of the success so far of the Apple strategy, all they can really do is emulate it: come up with another store, another player, a different format, and tunes locked to it. Since they have to overcome an incumbent, they will be reduced to making his attractive by initially lowering the price of the tunes and using a different locked format, to make people use their player. This will be a replay of competing format wars that we have seen with hardware formats in the past.

    We will then move to the stage, which we have seen previously in media with different consumer formats, where consumers still refuse to buy the stuff because they hate incompatible formats. After a while of this an unlocked standard will emerge. I don't mean a standard that is not copy protected, but one does not lock purchased tunes to players from one particular vendor, or make them be purchased by one specialised bit of software or currency. It will work just like CDs and DVDs do now: buy your content wherever you want from one of a variety of independent outlets, using whatever payment means you want, and play it on the player of your choice, from one of several manufacturers.

    The Apple strategy has worked well for a while, but it has within it, like all DRM based attempts to tie up your use of what you buy, the seeds of its own destruction. It is not a sustainable business model longer term. The present model for music and CDs was. The only thing that is destroying it is overpricing from the content publishers.

    Apple is far better placed to deal with the implosion of the business model. Its trivial to take locking off the iPod and iTunes store. And if the money falls out of the tunes market, it hardly affects them. For the content owners, their whole model is falling to bits in well defined stages that we have previously seen in other format wars. It is what is coming towards us.
  • IDDIIIIIOOOOOTS (Score:5, Insightful)

    by eiapoce (1049910) on Saturday October 13, @05:20AM (#20964597) Journal
    My reply comes late and will be short. By reading the article you can get clear hints that iTunes is going to be the market leader for a very long time. I summarize them:

    • "Sony said recently that it would abandon its proprietary ATRAC copy-protection technology, and add Microsoft's Windows Media ... close its Connect Music Store". Translation - Fucking customers who bought previous players and registered the service.
    • "MTV Networks said it would abandon its own digital music service, called Urge, and pool its efforts with RealNetworks' Rhapsody" They fare even better, close the store screwing registered users and then as if this was not enought join forces with the most unsuccessful, worse DRMd and worse marketed player of all times
    • "get hardware makers to absorb the cost of a $5 monthly subscription" Selling hardware that works only on a rent basis!!! This is funny, I don't know anyone willing to buy somethin like that.
    • "CEO of Universal Music's [says] the share of revenue that Apple collects for each song sold on iTunes is "indecent,"" Labelling competition bad names instead of competing.
    • "the labels would like to charge different prices for new and older music" Now in economics this has actually a name. It is called market segmentation and is the most known way of screwing costumers by raping their surplus.
    • "nurture the adoption of other music players such as Microsoft's Zune": History teaches us that any business that made deals with microsoft has to face 2 quests. The first is to win the market. The second is avoiding MS to take over using anticompetitive practices and lawyers. By judging how they are dealing to the iTunes quest I guess those idiotic CEOs are deemed to fail both.

    The real question is: who put them in charge? Their proposed exit strategy for media distribution sounds as "shoot us in the leg". If I had any stok or option on those companies I would consider selling them now before is too late.
    • This is one of the most hilariously funny parodies of over-the-top hypocrisy I have ever read --

      CEO of Universal Music's [says] the share of revenue that Apple collects for each song sold on iTunes is "indecent,"
      He's got to be aware of how outrageous it i
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        Honestly, please stop using bolds everywhere and words like "IDDIIIIIOOOOOTS" (negates the point of bolds when half your submission is bolded). You're comments should be strong enough on the value of your words not by shoving them down everyone's throats by over the top formatting.
        And to me I thought "IDDIIIIIOOOOOTS" was an understatement.
  • What the title should be... (Score:4, Funny)

    by supabeast! (84658) on Saturday October 13, @08:28AM (#20965329)
    If some real investigative journalism were going on, the article would be titled "How Sony and Universal plan to lobby Congress to force hardware makers to pay the record companies for a crappy music subscription service that consumers don't want."
  • Unbelievable (Score:4, Insightful)

    by NewYorkCountryLawyer (912032) * on Saturday October 13, @11:37PM (#20971153) Homepage Journal
    1. Have these guys ever heard of antitrust laws?

    2. Don't they realize that their antitrust combination to try to defeat Apple would be a flagrant violation of antitrust law?

    3. Why are they incapable of just trying to compete with someone in a fair and open way?

    4. Who in the US would be stupid enough to patronize their new venture and thus subsidize their RIAA lawsuits against the American people.

    5. SONY BMG are the guys who just testified in Capitol v. Thomas [blogspot.com] that it is illegal for people to copy their cd's onto their computers for personal use.

    Anyone who would buy anything from these companies is an idiot.
    • Re:One thing worth knowing (Score:5, Insightful)

      by whoever57 (658626) on Saturday October 13, @01:54AM (#20963965) Journal

      How is the music from this service going to be tied to the particular player that is paying for it,
      It doesn't need to be tied to a particular player, as long as it it tied to a class of players, all of which include the royalty payment as part of the purchase. Thus, all that is required is an encryption or encoding format that is only licensed to those particular players. Additional measures could include proprietary communication formats between the player and the PC (and between the PC and the music store), combined with the requirement that a player is connected to the PC before the PC is allowed to download anything. The real question is: how long will it take DVD Jon to break the encryption?

      The most important question is the one that the major labels always forget to ask: what value does this bring to consumers? With Amazon selling MP3s, why pay $100 extra for a player, which is designed to break in 18 months?
      [ Parent ]
      • Better Question (Score:4, Insightful)

        by shmlco (594907) on Saturday October 13, @02:38AM (#20964089) Homepage
        First, anyone who thinks it's "free" is nuts. Any price "bundled" into the player or phone service will per passed along to the end user.

        And as such, here's a better question: What happens to the music when you stop paying the subscription?

        Most subscription services of that type cancel all of your music when you're done. Are you going to want to pay two or three years worth of subscription fees and end up with nothing?

        [ Parent ]
    • Re:One thing worth knowing (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Spasemunki (63473) <`spasemunki' `at' `gmail.com'> on Saturday October 13, @01:58AM (#20963987) Homepage
      ... and the other question that immediately presents itself: when the partners involved in this deal lose interest after a couple years of lackluster sales, what will become of that nice device that you paid for- probably paid a lot for, given the "built in" subscription cost? Will you be able to load music onto it from other sources, or will it be bricked once the associated service is shut down?
      [ Parent ]
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      This is the ideal system for the major labels:

      Large amount of fairly steady, predictable revenue every month, no matter what people actually want
      -they get monthly fees whether or not you use a device or the associated service [say, if the device is lost or
    • Re: (Score:2)

      Personally, I think that this plan is great, I hope it works well, because I am fed up with the music industry at large.

      Yeah -- since this is by the industry, wait till you see the price. It'll probably be something like $150 + ($1.50 * song_capacity).