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Interpol Unscrambles Doctored Photo In Manhunt
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on Tue Oct 09, 2007 04:39 AM
from the blur-schmlur dept.
from the blur-schmlur dept.
jackpot777 writes in with an AP story out of Paris reporting that Interpol has distributed photos of a man suspected of sexually exploiting children. The images were recovered from pictures taken off the Internet in which the man's face had been blurred using something like Photoshop's Filter > Distort > Twirl tool. German police were able to recover recognizable images of the man, whose identity and nationality are not known. Interpol would not discuss the techniques used to recover the images. jackpot777 writes: "It does show one interesting facet of internet privacy that has also been noted with topics ranging from reading blurred check numbers in images to Google's plan to blur out license plate and face data for Street View. And that is: blurring is not the same as completely obscuring. As computers become more adept at extrapolating data of different types, your identity isn't safe unless you completely cover all those identifying features."
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Pictures (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Pictures (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://www.quantumtemple.com/)
I've got a friend that was charged for burglary one time and the company that charged him submitted their surveillance video footage to some supposed forensics team so they could see if they could derive his face from the blurry video. What was brought to light was that the idiots also submitted my friend's work ID, and an old one that didn't really look like him any more, with the video. The team then returned a video that showed how they "matched" my friend to the person seen in the video...they morphed several stills grabbed from the video with....you guessed it...my friend's ID and THEN they showed their derived picture right next to the old ID. I took one look at it and told him they had absolutely zero case against him if that's all the evidence they had. I didn't even have to show up as an expert witness since the judge was wise enough to realize what was going on.
Re:Pictures (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Pictures (Score:5, Informative)
The spiral distort effect is simply a mathematical function to map one point in a rectangular mesh to another. You basically convert integer pixel coordinates into a floating-point coordinate system with the origin at the centre, apply a rotation based on the distance from the origin, convert back into integer pixel coordinates and transfer the pixel data.
Consequently, since every pixel is remapped to a new position, the transformation can be reversed.
Way easier than that.... (Score:5, Funny)
(http://edified.org/ | Last Journal: Wednesday May 14 2003, @02:00PM)
Re:Pictures (Score:4, Funny)
"Woah, we caught a break, sir. That pedophile just used a twirl filter."
"No kidding? Did you get his face out of th..."
"Already done. Hopefully more of those assholes will use that twirl filter."
"Yeah, good point. Keep it quiet. I'll make up some story about secret techniques and taking six months."
"Oh, sir, one more thing. We really should get a legitimate copy of Photoshop."
Re:Crucial overlooked ideas (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.productrecallwatch.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday October 09, @10:26PM)
It probably helps a LOT that in several of the images, there's a strong line visible in the background. Measure the twirl of that, you've got your benchmark right there. Center of the twirl is probably easy enough to locate too. So there's your twist, and where to apply it.
It's a good thing so many criminals are dumb. It's the smart ones that you have to worry more about.
Re:Crucial overlooked ideas (Score:5, Funny)
Who says he's dumb? If he carefully photoshopped someone else's face onto his, and then applied the easy-to-remove swirl, he now has the entire planet searching for the wrong guy....
Amazing technology (Score:5, Funny)
(http://vistoenbp.net/)
Re:Amazing technology (Score:5, Funny)
Links to the photos (Score:1)
Interpol not the ones to descramble (Score:5, Informative)
These pictures have been produced by specialists from Germany's federal police force, the Bundeskriminalamt, working from originals found on the Internet, which had been digitally altered to disguise the man's face.
Re:Interpol not the ones to descramble (Score:5, Funny)
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The actual AP article (Score:5, Informative)
(http://eurobilltracker.net/)
Super-sekr1t unblurring techniques (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://dev.null.org/)
Re:Super-sekr1t unblurring techniques (Score:5, Interesting)
Wild ass guess ahead...
Interpol geeks probably ran some tests to determine approximately how much twirl was applied to the original image and then created a 24bit image slightly larger than the twirled area assigning a unique 24 bit value to each pixel and then applied the same amount of twirl.
They could then look at the twirled test image and come up with a mapping of twirled pixels to untwirled pixels. This information could be used to "untwirl" the original image by grabbing the pixels at the twirled coordinates and moving them back to where the mapping says they probably originated.
Of course there would be some pixels lost and extra pixels created during the original twirling but chances are the original image could be approximated fairly well by interpolating between the recovered pixels. You'd not get a picture perfect result but something somewhat blurry as can be seen in the recovered pixels.
Of course they might have done something more mathematical but if I was going to try this myself I'd probably just give the method I described above a shot first and see if I came up with something looking like a face.
Re:Super-sekr1t unblurring techniques (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://66.249.93.104/ | Last Journal: Monday November 20 2006, @09:27AM)
Re:Super-sekr1t unblurring techniques (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://members.aol.com/willadams)
William
Re:Super-sekr1t unblurring techniques (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://sdk-1600.spatula-city.org/ | Last Journal: Monday October 01, @05:36PM)
Another fun technique is to just paste something plausible there—like another face, or pieces of other faces—before blurring. I often do the same thing when blurring out numbers. You might be able to get away with a plasma fractal with appropriate skin tones.
I figure it gives the hacks something to get excited about until they realize it really is gibberish. :-)
--JoeRe:Super-sekr1t unblurring techniques (Score:4, Informative)
(http://world3.net/)
A similar technique was used to guess blurred out numbers on cheques, passports, car number plates etc. Simply run through all possible combinations of letters and numbers, applying a mosaic each time until the mosaics match.
Re:Super-sekr1t unblurring techniques (Score:4, Funny)
if you are from a government, remove the data from an image with the alpha channel and don't uncheck "save color values from transparent pixels" (in gimp).
Re:Super-sekr1t unblurring techniques (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Super-sekr1t unblurring techniques (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.midnight-labs.org/)
With more time and higher quality images, I'm sure it wouldn't be any trouble at all, it just needed the initial insight to use the "swirl in opposite direction" idea.
Re:Super-sekr1t unblurring techniques (Score:5, Informative)
(http://sitetheory.com/ | Last Journal: Friday October 24 2003, @10:59AM)
Then I did a -999 deg twirl, and it totally undid it - almost perfectly.
I'm surprised it worked so well actually, I was assuming that it would still be more distortored since I thought the result would be more of a hash, but the algorithm used looks to be 99% reversable - at least in the case of photoshops' distort/twirl effect.
Re:Super-sekr1t unblurring techniques (Score:5, Funny)
(http://mattozan.net/)
P.S. Wow, this comment is on-topic for once!
Re:Super-sekr1t unblurring techniques (Score:5, Funny)
Rellying on the CSI effect (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://www.sympato.ch/)
the idiot used a filter that just moved the data around in predictable way (in circles), and the police did transpose the data in the opposite direction and got the picture back. The picture was not blurred at all (in the mathematical sense of lowering the resolution).
Interpol bragged about it not because of some obscure technical feat. They bragged about as a PR stunt, in order to take advantage of the " CSI effect [wikipedia.org] ".
Joe 6 pack, has recently started to understand that incredibly big zooms, with some magical "picture enhancement effects" that keeps incredible amount of details - as done by Deckart in Blade Runner, or regularly featured on CSI - can't be actually achieved in real life. Because everyone is criticizing those shows for the lack of realism in their zooming achievement.
But now Interpol pulls this PR stunt, where they show how they managed to recover the identity of the maniac. Now people every where are starting to think "Oh may god ! They actually have the technology ! They can "enhance" pictures and get the faces back !". The goal of Interpol was to instill fear in would-be criminal who would hope to stay anonymous with some photoshop tricks tricks. Maybe this wasn't the only stuff that was openly criticized in CSI but that was secretly doable by the real police. Now cue-in some armchair conspiracy theorists, who could pretend that the whole criticizing of "unrealistic police TV-shows" was a government conspiracy to cover up technology that actually exist (additional points earned if technology is of alien origin), or they could say that government has put a backdoor inside Photoshop that does keep the blurred faces saved in steganography (bonus point for using buzzword).
They are creating a climate of FUD, in the hope to deter would-be criminals.
Blurring different from twirling... (Score:5, Informative)
(http://max.romantschuk.fi/)
A blur on the other hand, especially a gaussian blur, will mix pixels together in such a way that any recovered image will be one of many possible outcomes.
Then again, removing information, by pixellating for example, would be best.
Re:Blurring different from twirling... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Blurring different from twirling... (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Thursday May 27 2004, @02:14AM)
The link about cheques in the summary tells more (if it's that old article I think it is).
Re:Blurring different from twirling... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Blurring different from twirling... (Score:4, Insightful)
"Alleged" implies that a picture of an adult molesting a child, constitutes only an "alleged" crime.
"There were no rape report from anyone" implies that a picture of the act being conducted isn't enough. That the 4 year old Cambodian sex slave needs to file a proper report.
In a discussion regarding the photographically documented molestation of small children, you want to expand the discussion to include statutory rape allegations between teenagers. How about we also talk about taxidermy and monster trucks? Because if you think there's any similarity between the teenage sex issue and child molestation, then any "discussion" with you might as well go down those tangents as well.
Hardly Rocket Science (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://pcbookreview.com/)
I showed this to my PS using friend and he shurgged, said 'Just do a radial blur in the opposite direction' and 30 seconds later had a picture about 80-90% as good as the one they're waving about as being the result of some super secret methodology.
It does strike me as a bit stupid explaining it all - now crims will just use better techniques for blurring themselves out. The media, law enforcement agencies are doing this more and more and it's insane - "we just had an idea for a terrorist attack that might happen and here it is in full", "This is foresnic evidence that allowed us to catch the crim" and so on.
Re:Hardly Rocket Science (Score:5, Insightful)
It does strike me as a bit stupid explaining it all - now crims will just use better techniques for blurring themselves out. The media, law enforcement agencies are doing this more and more and it's insane - "we just had an idea for a terrorist attack that might happen and here it is in full", "This is foresnic evidence that allowed us to catch the crim" and so on.
Yup, they spun it (pun intended) into cheap PR. The problem is, it's not that they are super smart, it's that the criminal was super stupid.
And it'll make anyone with basic image processing skills question their overall expertise if they'd brag about untwirl.
That said, the average folk will definitely be impressed. I knew a guy who inverted his photo in attempt to protect his identity (no, he didn't molest children). Imagine his shock when I took the inverted photo, inverted it again arriving at the original.
To him I'm probably some sorta super genius who used sophisticated data restoration hack. To a guy with basic knowledge, it's nothing worth noting.
To see how blur can restore detail not visible to the naked eye, check out Focus Magic [focusmagic.com]. Not as easy as untwirl, but gives you an idea. This is because the blur distribution (usually gaussian if digital, or linear with cameras) gives away the possible origin position of the pixels.
If you pixelize however, with big enough square, you lose real resolution and that's much harder to restore anything interesting out of (it's not like in movies, with the unlimited extrapolation techniques, as we all know).
Other gotchas: covering with black rectangle but leaving it only 1-2% transparent. Looks solid, but data can be recovered.
And a very common other method: people keep leaving their name and camera model in the meta info of the image. Easy to check out via right-click>Properties in Windows.
PS: it was "twirl", not "radial blur" btw.
Re:Hardly Rocket Science (Score:4, Interesting)
Ah, good point indeed. If it's a video, yes, you can restore extra detail.
There are lots of cameras out there which use a simple version of this trick to shoot higher res photos than their matrix is (by shooting several photos with sliightly offset matrix and assembling those).
And there's already software in wide use which can take existing video footage of, say, recording a page of a book for a while with low resolution, and using the minor motion/shifts in the frame to automatically arrive at a much higher (and accurate!) resolution image. It's amazing the amount of detail it can restore.
Since pixelization is in fact reducing the resolution, the same applies there.
I guess the only sure method is not to leave anything that can be analyzed. Don't wanna be recognized.. ? Don't allow to be recorded/shot.
a better solution (Score:4, Funny)
(http://www.atomjax.com/)
Yes, or you could just stop molesting children and photographing it.
blurring != obscuring; true, but... (Score:4, Informative)
(Last Journal: Wednesday December 20 2006, @07:31PM)
-That- having been said.. yes, obscuring does tend to be better.. as long as it's a proper obscuring and not some half-hearted attempt by a news station where an interviewer / whatever has said to want to be inrecognizable, and then you just get a dark silhouette of the person where you can 1. still make out the silhouette, 2. their voice goes unaltered, 3. bump up the brightness enough and you can even make out a face or, in the case of yea olde license plate, a black bar that is supposed to 'track' the license plate properly, but the person applying the bar is a lazy-ass tracker and it 'swims' over the plate, revealing tiny bits of the bottom/top on certain frames - not too much guesswork involved to figure out the proper license plate, as even with multiple possibilities, only one is likely to match the type/color of the car when looked up on the interwebs.
Now then... Let the "what if somebody photoshopped somebody else's head on there first, then applied the filter, now some poor innocent sap is framed!" replies begin.
How to remove numbers/faces from a picture (Score:2)
(http://kasperd.net/~kasperd/ | Last Journal: Thursday July 08 2004, @10:18AM)
Once the data's gone, it's gone... (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Uhm, no. As other posters have pointed out, all they did was reverse the distortion applied to the image - which in this case didn't really lose much information, just nudge it about. If you blur out someone's face, the detail can never be recovered. No, not even by the NSA. The information is lost. You *can* sharpen up edges and improve contrast, but if the information just plain isn't there any more there's not a lot you can do.
Think about it this way. A digital image is just a string of numbers. If I take a string of numbers and apply a "filter" to it then I get (0.4, 3.0, 6.2, 3.4, 5.4, 5.8, 2.6). From that, can you work out what the original values were? Possibly, because my filter is very simple. However, you don't know how much precision has been lost, or what the initial values were, so it would be nigh-on impossible to work out the original values.
Incidentally if anyone does work out the original sequence, I'd love to hear about it.
Re:Once the data's gone, it's gone... (Score:4, Insightful)
In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
New laws were passed today, making it a felony to obscure, obfuscate, scramble, cover or otherwise purposely mask your identity by modifying a digital image for the purpose of avoiding identification by law enforcement agencies.
Covering up isn't enough (Score:1)
The perfect setup (Score:2, Informative)
When he claims "it wasn't me" will he be able to prove it? Sure, the cops are supposed to have the burden of proof but when it comes to bogeyman charges like terrorism and KP juries usually go with the prosecution regardless.
Hmm (Score:5, Funny)
Dalton? (Score:2, Interesting)
The Doctor? (Score:3, Funny)
Oh wait, this isn't about Doctor Who... never mind.
Looks pretty easy.... (Score:2)
Blurring is different, it removes inromation. In some cases blurring might just not remove enough information. For example (as one of the lonks in the story shows), blurring keeps the sum of black and white constant in an area. If you then have to distinguish between a sign with little black in it and one with a lot, that is still possible with blurrs. What is not possible is to reconstruct faces from blurrs. Unless you have several blurred images of the same face or a movie. Then unblurring faces could become a reasl possibility.
Fine, I will discuss the technique. (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Saturday March 08 2003, @03:00PM)
It is patently ridiculous to imply there is some secret or sophisticated method to undoing the twirl effect as available in Photoshop. All one needs to do is find the bounds of the distortion (which, admitted, is a painful process of trial and error), then perform the distortion with an opposite value to the original. This particular effect is not intended to destroy any pixels, only relocate them, so restoration is intuitive. You can all try this at home: simply load an image, twirl it, then perform the inverse as I describe. And with a little determination, you can successfully reverse the effect on the article photograph (as I did).
covering may not be enough either (Score:1)
or cases when people added black onto a pdf document, without converting the document (open it with acrobat writer & remove the color)
as always, people must know what they do
Manhunt? (Score:4, Funny)
Interpol's got nothin on CSI (Score:4, Funny)
Get with the times Interpol. Sheesh, CSI wouldn't even have had to use their "match a partial fingerprint I zoomed in 6000% to get off of a glass of water in a 72dpi jpeg to every known felon in the US in under 10 seconds during witty banter" program to solve this one!
And why should anyone believe them ? (Score:2)
what i've always found crazy about digital images. (Score:2, Interesting)
Interpol, eh? (Score:2)
Distorted not blurred (Score:1)
Please lets get the terminology correct - the perp's image was distorted with a swirl tool, not blurred. The distinction is that distorting moves the image data to different locations based on a mathematical formula, usually with little change to the data, run that formula in reverse regains the original image.
Blurring spreads the data from a single pixel over an undetermined number of other pixels. Depending on how the blur is applied gives varying degrees of difficulty in reversing the blur. Applying a Gaussian blur to the whole image or section usually means that the Gaussian is used once on each pixel so the new pixel's value is a known sum of the pixels around it. However, most image packages have a blur tool that blurs what's under the cursor, so the movement of the cursor determines what the contribution is to the final pixels.
It's great that the prep obviously had no understanding of the difference, as with any luck he'll be caught.
Worrying possibilities... (Score:1)
CSI (Score:2)
Multiple Images helped Interpol (Score:2, Informative)
holly crap! I have seen this guy! (Score:2)
(http://booktextmark.mozdev.org/)
INTERPOL is seeking the help of the public to try to identify this man, photographed sexually abusing children in a series of images posted on the Internet......
I have seen that guy somewhere, I remember him because of his very distinct features. [interpol.int]
Legalities of image use... (Score:2)
(http://www.audiogeek.co.uk/)
~Pev
More Headlines Like This, Please (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.neverwhen.net/)
"Interpol Unscrambles Doctored Photo In Manhunt"
"Interpol Unlocks Les Paul in Guitar Hero II"
"Interpol Tracks Down Level -1 in Super Mario Bros."
"Interpol Acquires 'Marathon Man' Achievement in Halo III"
"Interpol Microwaves Weird Ed's Hamster in Maniac Mansion"
Next up on the agenda... (Score:1)
(http://www.busydoingnothing.net/)
Need to know the original algorithm? (Score:2)
(http://www.cryptohedonology.com/)
Missing Option; Cowboy Neal ! (Score:1)
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"...and always remember
the last words of my grandfather,
who said '.....a truck!'.....
Counteract with a double twirl (Score:1)
(http://www.aperture.ca/)
More complicated than untwirling (Score:2)
It actually sounds like a fun program to write...
l33tn3zz (Score:1)
(http://fnarg.com/)
1. Select a rectangle around your face
2. Fill with black
3. ????
4. PERVERT!!!!!!!
For everything else, there's unsharp mask. You'd be surprised the kind of things you can "enhance" from a chunky low-resolution image.
Anamorphic Art History (Score:2)
In other words, this trick is SO old, that if Interpol had brought H.G. Wells in for questioning about trying to tamper with a time machine museum "mock up", and Wells saw this photoshopped photo with the face swirl sitting on the inspector's desk, he would have made a cone out of an empty paper towel roll and some tinfoil, and easily revealed the identity of the suspect.
Then he would probably have recognized the face as belonging to his old nemesis Jack the Ripper, and would then quickly dismantle his makeshift viewer and begin to look for a means of escape.
Many sightings already (Score:1)
Why is the image not clearer ? (Score:1)
twirl vs blur (Score:2)
A blur is a transformation in which information is actually lost as pixel values get averaged and quantized. When people recover information from blurred images it's based on knowledge about what was originally there; for example, if you know it's one of 10 digits in a particular font, then you can often figure out what the digit was even if the image is blurred. You can probably not recover high resolution face images from blurred images because it's the fine details that matter.
Re:I bet it's made up (Score:1, Flamebait)
(http://sixflags.dot-image.net/)
Re:Fingerprints? (Score:2)
Interesting idea. I have a few digital cameras, at least one of them has a couple of "dead pixels" on the CCD. These pixels appear pink on the raw images. However, the effect cannot be seen if the camera is not in raw mode.
I assume the camera firmware corrects for dead pixels (probably substitutes an average of the neighboring pixels for the value of the dead pixel) so you don't see them normally. When the camera is manufactured they can test where the dead pixels are and program those locations into the firmware. But try flipping your camera to raw mode and see what you get. A particular pattern of dead pixels COULD be very strong evidence, although you still have to prove who was operating the camera when the image was taken.
Re:His photo? (Score:2)
How do they know it's the guy and not some random someone-else? You'd have to be pretty dumb to use your own picture...oh wait, he's an idiot anyway.
Nice circular argument there. "Only an idiot would place his own face in the picture. There is a face in the picture. It must be his, because he's an idiot."
Wouldn't it be funny if they did the unscrambling and some well-known political figure's face emerged?
Re:Cue the /. legal experts in 5... 4... 3... 2... (Score:2)