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Internet Radio Will Go Silent on June 26th

Posted by Zonk on Sat Jun 23, 2007 03:35 PM
from the up-against-the-wall dept.
Spamicles writes "Thousands of U.S. webcasters plan to turn off the music and go silent this Tuesday, June 26th, to draw attention to an impending royalty rate increase that, if implemented, would lead to the virtual shutdown of this country's Internet radio industry. In March, the Copyright Royalty Board announced that it would raise royalties for Internet broadcasters, moving them from a per-song rate to a per-listener rate. The increase would be made retroactive to the beginning of 2006 and would double over the next five years. Internet radio sites would be charged per performance of a song. A "performance" is defined as the streaming of one song to one listener; thus a station that has an average audience of 500 listeners racks up 500 "performances" for each song it plays."

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[+] Small Webcasters Offered a Rate Break, Reject It 123 comments
Pontifex minimus writes "Music royalty collection group SoundExchange has offered an olive branch to small webcasters. They are willing to delay the exorbitant new rates set by the Copyright Royalty Board until 2010 for small webcasters in hopes that they can keep Congress from passing the Internet Radio Equality Act. Larger outfits, like Live365 and Pandora would not be affected and would have to pay the new rates. '"Although the rates revised by the CRB are fair and based on the value of music in the marketplace, there's a sense in the music community and in Congress that small webcasters need more time to develop their businesses," said John Simson, executive director of SoundExchange.' SaveNetRadio rejected SoundExchange's offer, saying that it 'throws large webcasters under the bus.'"
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  • Solidarity! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 23 2007, @03:37PM (#19622121)
    I'm not even in the music industry, but I'll be shutting down my web site (w/a notice explaining why & a link if someone has one) on that day to bring awareness to this issue.
  • by MyLongNickName (822545) on Saturday June 23 2007, @03:38PM (#19622139) Journal
    .... five users wonder what happened to their favorite web site.
    • by garcia (6573) on Saturday June 23 2007, @04:18PM (#19622481) Homepage
      .... five users wonder what happened to their favorite web site.

      I'm sure those that listen to Internet radio will know ahead of time and are outraged by this decision. The rest of those that surf the Internet, those that make the laws, and just about everyone else (minus those that will see a financial gain from this ruling) don't know or care to know about what will happen to Internet radio.

      And unfortunately it's not +1 Funny either.
  • Ob (Score:5, Funny)

    by edittard (805475) on Saturday June 23 2007, @03:39PM (#19622147)

    Thousands of U.S. webcasters plan to turn off the music and go silent this Tuesday, June 26th
    Coming up after the break, John Cage's estate launches biggest copyright infringement suit ever.
  • except for Last.fm (Score:4, Informative)

    by dotpavan (829804) on Saturday June 23 2007, @03:44PM (#19622191) Homepage
    Pandora, Yahoo music and many others are participating except for CBS-owned Last.fm [techcrunch.com]
    • by GiMP (10923) on Saturday June 23 2007, @03:58PM (#19622331) Homepage
      Last.fm is, at least historically, a UK company. Since their servers (and the music) is broadcast from the UK, I'm not sure this will affect them. The problem now, of course, is that they're now owned by CBS. Still, with Lastfm being a UK branch/division, they should be safe.

      But of course, IANAL.
      • Perfect (Score:5, Insightful)

        by node 3 (115640) on Saturday June 23 2007, @11:19PM (#19625149)
        That's exactly the point. To get the attention of selfish people like you who will only take action when their daily routine is affected.

        Maybe instead of complaining to us, or to pandora, you should complain to Congress. Make the need for such outages unnecessary, and we'll stop promoting them.
  • Here's a good link (Score:5, Informative)

    by Scott Lockwood (218839) * on Saturday June 23 2007, @03:49PM (#19622235) Homepage Journal
    If you want to find your local congress critter, and ping them on the subject, Go here [capwiz.com]. This link takes you to a nice little cgi app that takes your zip code, and gives you the phone numbers for your house and senate rep's, along with a short script of talking points. If the Internet Radio Equality Act, (S. 1353 in the senate, and H.R. 2060 in the house) can get some sponsors, and get passed, we're all in much better shape.
  • Retroactive? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ricree (969643) on Saturday June 23 2007, @03:51PM (#19622267)
    So, you know those prices we told you to pay last year? We were totally kidding about that, it definitely should have been higher then. So go ahead and fork over the rest of the money you owe us.


    Seriously, though, how in the heck can a price increase be retroactive?
      • Re:Retroactive? (Score:5, Informative)

        by idobi (820896) on Saturday June 23 2007, @04:33PM (#19622595) Homepage
        I run idobi Radio. We're an alternative/rock station that's doing fairly well, in terms of popularity.

        The rates set by the royalty board is incredibly high and completely unfair. I agree I'm bias on the issue, but if the current rates are upheld, we would be required to pay $900,000/year just in royalties.

        The current rates, if applied to traditional radio, would require a station like KROQ in Los Angeles to pay $1.4 billion/year just in royalties. Last year, they mad $67 million in revenue. If one of the most successful traditional radio station cannot afford these royalties, how can any internet radio station that still developing a revenue base be able to?

        http://www.idobi.com/news/?p=25408 [idobi.com]
      • Re:Retroactive? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by ChicagoBiker (702744) <turkchgo@NOSPaM.mac.com> on Saturday June 23 2007, @04:36PM (#19622619) Homepage
        I don't think you're getting the point of this law. The corporations who support it don't run internet radio and they don't want it to continue. This is the easiest way for terrestrial radio companies to make "Internet Radio" illegal. If it's too expensive for your to create and run "myradio.com" then everyone will be forced back to 97.9 FM and they can continue their monopoly of the airwaves.
  • by LinDVD (986467) on Saturday June 23 2007, @03:56PM (#19622307)
    You want a politician to respond to you? Snail mail is *still* the best way. Take ideas from a template if you must, but make most of the stuff, if not all of it up yourself. Be concise, but be sure and make your point. Bitching about a situation is obviously easier, but I got a reply back from Senator Boxer about a week ago (with the original letter sent in late May), which stated the following:


    Thank you for writing to me regarding proposed changes to the assessment of royalty fees that Internet radio broadcasters pay to musicians and record labels. I appreciate hearing from you on this issue.

    As you probably know, the federal Copyright Royalty Board (CRB) has released its plan for charging online radio broadcasters for royalties. The Internet Radio Equality act of 2007 (S.1353), which was recently introduced in the Senate, would nullify the CRB's proposal and prevent the new royalties assessment plan from taking effect.

    S.1353 is currently being considered by the Senate Judiciary Committee. Please be assured that I will take your comments under advisement, should this legislation come before the full Senate.

    Again, thank you for writing to me. Please keep in touch with me about this and any other issue of concern to you.

  • by ClickOnThis (137803) on Saturday June 23 2007, @04:12PM (#19622429) Journal
    This current plan to hike royalty rates would be apocalyptic for internet radio. Its retroactive effect alone (back to January 1, 2006) would bankrupt all but the huge players.

    Here are some useful sites where you can find out what you can do. If nothing else, contact your congressional representatives and tell them to save internet radio by sponsoring the Internet Radio Equality Act.

    http://www.savenetradio.org/ [savenetradio.org]
    http://www.savenetradio.org/act_now/index.html [savenetradio.org]
    http://www3.capwiz.com/saveinternetradio/callalert /index.tt?alertid=9731806 [capwiz.com]
  • by Brad Zink (1119269) on Saturday June 23 2007, @04:19PM (#19622493) Journal
    This issue is emblematic of a much larger phenomenon that is only going to increase over time. That phenomenon is the increasing gap between modern society and what the bureaucracy perceives it to be. The government had enough trouble when change was slow. Now as the speed of change gets quicker by the week, the out-of-touch nature of government becomes not just an issue to laugh about, but one to be of great concern. Political ideology combined with an insularity from change will stifle those who are the best and the brightest at the expense of those that are the most powerful.
  • by flyingfsck (986395) on Saturday June 23 2007, @04:31PM (#19622585)
    The US stations could set up SSH tunnels to servers in Canada - 'internet underground railroad radio stations'...
  • Now I'm going to say two words that will automatically get me modded down around here, but Rush Limbauqh had a segment about this on his show a few weeks ago when he was explaining why internet feeds contained minutes of silence during song parodies, etc. and about this new policy and how it was going to kill internet radio and wasn't fair. He explained that for his show, it could easily translate into $36,000 a day worth of royalities that would be hard for even a show with a large audience (and high ad rates) to cover.

    I do listen to a lot of Online Radio, primarily KTRS 550, and KMOX out of my home town of St. louis at work. There are some afternoon shows I like to listen too and now since I live out both of their radio range (I can get KMOX sometimes at night, but now that the Cards games have moved...)

    Still I listen to more podcasts of shows that aren't in my market like the Tony Kornheiser show and then some of the ESPN shows like PTI.

    I had my own radio show on the college radio back in the day, and I remember we were charged by the song, not the number of listeners, but as a low power system, I'm not sure how all those rates are calculated anymore. If that is still the case, this just seems like a way to cut competition for terrestrial radio stations.

  • by tinrobot (314936) on Saturday June 23 2007, @08:34PM (#19624279)
    This law only kills internet radio in the United States, it doesn't affect internet radio stations outside the US. I already listen to stations outside the US, and I'm sure there will be a heckuva lot more if this legislation passes.

    So, in effect, this law will only serve to outsource these stations to other countries -- places where the RIAA can't extract any royalties at all. Brilliant, RIAA, brilliant...
    • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 23 2007, @03:51PM (#19622257)
      Or would that be disallowed completely, even if the person wasn't broadcasting any music that they might have say over?

      Exactly. Soundexchange gets paid even for non-member music. The law says that if you can't pay them, you don't play the music.

      Now, there is one thing though, Soundexchange is required to allow artists and radio stations to contract directly and individually and is required to track all of these individual contracts so that they don't bill for those recordings. As creative commons grows, we might have a bit of a weapon to fight back with, if on our end we set up something more-or-less automatic for creating those contracts, it may turn out that we can swamp Soundexchange with them if they haven't already automated their end of the deal. If we can, and Soundexchange fails to keep up their end of the law, since they are "deputized" to operate the law, their failure might be prosecutable as malfeasance (if you can convince the Department of Justice to care about corporations), especially if it can be shown that at some step of the way they intentionally refused a contract or knowingly billed for a contracted performance.
    • Re:Supply and demand (Score:5, Informative)

      by Attila Dimedici (1036002) on Saturday June 23 2007, @04:22PM (#19622507)
      Yeah, but why does this apply to Internet radio and not broadcast radio? The principle you described is the model for broadcast radio, yet broadcast radio does not pay this way. This is about the record industry eliminating internet radio. The record industry controls what is played over broadcast radio, there are too many internet radio stations for them to get that kind of control over. The other problem is that the amount of the pay-per-listener fee exceeds what advertisers are willing to pay per listener.
        • Re:Supply and demand (Score:5, Interesting)

          by ClickOnThis (137803) on Saturday June 23 2007, @06:09PM (#19623309) Journal

          Internet radio differs from broadcast radio in the same way that recording tapes from a CD differs from uploading to a P2P network: you can reach thousands more people, and you can get perfect copies of the broadcasts by stream ripping. Hence they use this excuse as a far greater potential revenue loss as compared to regular radio, which offers many less options in terms of distribution.
          Fair enough. But internet radio stations are simply asking to pay the same rates as satellite radio, which also offers a digital feed that can be captured by some consumer devices. (Granted, many of these devices are encumbered with DRM-ish "features.")
    • by ClickOnThis (137803) on Saturday June 23 2007, @05:17PM (#19622891) Journal
      does this royalty regime apply to the streams from XM and Sirius?

      The short answer is "no." In fact, internet radio stations would much rather have it the other way around: they want to pay what satellite radio pays. Right now, they're paying twice the satellite rate, and the new increases would push internet radio rates astronomically higher, retroactive to January 1, 2006.

      In effect, the RIAA (through the Copyright Royalty Board) is trying to kill internet radio.
      • Re:What can I do? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Original Replica (908688) on Saturday June 23 2007, @08:51PM (#19624365) Journal
        Rather than writing you representive, in this case it might be better to write your favorite band. Tell them which albums you have and the concerts you went to, and then tell them you can't buy any more of their CDs because their music is covered by SoundExchange. Ask when they will release an album under creative commons.