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Who's Trading Your E-mail Addresses?

Posted by CmdrTaco on Wed May 30, 2007 10:49 AM
from the checking-the-nasdaq-now dept.
Bennett Haselton is back with another piece on e-mail privacy. He starts "On April 14, 2007, I signed up for an AmeriTrade account using an e-mail address consisting of 16 random alphanumeric characters, which I never gave to anyone else. On May 15, I started receiving pump-and-dump stock spams sent to that e-mail address. I was hardly the first person to discover that this happens. Almost all of the top hits in a Google search for "ameritrade spam" are from people with the same story: they used a unique address for each service that they sign up with, so they could tell if any company ever leaked their address to a spammer, and the address they gave to AmeriTrade started getting stock spam. (I don't actually do that with most companies where I create accounts. But after hearing all the AmeriTrade stories, I created an account with them in April just for the purpose of entering a unique e-mail address and seeing if it would get leaked.)" Bennett continues on if you're willing to click the link.

What's surprising is that as far as I can tell, AmeriTrade has taken almost no heat in the media for letting this happen. Despite the abundant testimonials from bloggers who had their addresses leaked, the story never crossed over into the "mainstream" Internet press. In a recent Bloomberg News story, the FBI warned that E*Trade and AmeriTrade users were vulnerable to spyware installed by criminals in hotels and cybercafes to capture accounts and run pump-and-dump stock spams; no mention of the fact that all AmeriTrade e-mail addresses were apparently already in the hands of spammers anyway (although no one knows if usernames and passwords were leaked to the spammers as well).

This doesn't bode well for anyone who uses any type of online service and wants that service to keep their personal information secure. If AmeriTrade got skewered in the media for leaking customers' personal information to spammers, other companies would see that and learn the lesson. On the other hand, if AmeriTrade gets away with it with barely a whisper in the mainstream news, other companies are going to take note of that, too. Besides, spam and identity theft hurt everyone, not just the victims, because the costs are passed on to all of us in terms of higher ISP charges, higher payment processing fees, and more mail lost due to stringent spam filters.

AmeriTrade disclosed in April 2005 that a tape containing some customer information might have been stolen in February of that year, and many spam victims who blogged about their AmeriTrade addresses being stolen, referenced that incident as the likely cause. But after Bill Katz's blog post became a clearinghouse of sorts for complaints about stolen AmeriTrade addresses (probably as a result of being the first match on Google for "ameritrade spam"), several users posted that they had received spam at accounts that were only created with AmeriTrade in summer 2006. And then my e-mail address got leaked between April 14 and May 15, 2007. So it's pretty clear that some attacker has access to the AmeriTrade customer database on an ongoing basis, and the February 2005 tape theft probably had nothing to do with it.

AmeriTrade says that California law required them to notify their California customers of a potential security breach after the tapes were stolen, and that they went further and notified all of their customers anyway. Since there is now proof that their database is more or less perpetually open to some outside attacker, will they send out another notification letter to customers?

An accidental security breach can happen to any responsible company, especially if they are compromised from the inside. But the trail of blogosphere and UseNet posts indicates that several times AmeriTrade has concealed the full extent of the problem from customers who asked them about it, or has given out information that they already knew was wrong. In one thread in October 2005, a user reported that they wrote to AmeriTrade asking why their AmeriTrade-only e-mail address was getting spammed, and AmeriTrade replied that the spammer might have guessed the address using a dictionary attack, adding:

We have no reason to believe that any of our systems have been compromised. Ameritrade deploys state of the art firewalls, intrusion detection, anti-virus software as well as employs a full time staff of employee's dedicated strictly to Information Security and protecting Ameritrade's systems from unauthorized access.
But that was long after February 2005, when AmeriTrade said that tapes containing customer data were stolen. (Even if that turned out not to be the cause of the spam after all, by that point AmeriTrade knew that their customers' addresses had been leaked somehow.)

Then when my friend Art Medlar complained to AmeriTrade this year about the same thing happening, he got a response saying that even if he was getting spammed by an address that he only gave to AmeriTrade, that could be the result of hackers "implanting 'bots' that have the ability to extract e-mail addresses from your computer, even when you have protective spy software engaged". But of course this makes no sense -- if this were the source of the problem, it would affect everyone's e-mail addresses equally, and would not explain why a disproportionate number of complaints were coming from people who created addresses that they gave to AmeriTrade specifically.

When I sent AmeriTrade my own inquiry, I got a response that was identical to a forwarded message that someone else posted to news.admin.net-abuse.email in April. (To their credit, in this version of the message, AmeriTrade is acknowledging responsibility for the problem instead of attributing it to dictionary attacks or botnets. But the e-mail contains the curious piece of advice: "Please be sure to delete any spam you might receive, then empty your e-mail's trash so that it's no longer kept there, either." Huh? As one reader replied to the UseNet thread: "Cynical Translation: Please don't retain any independent evidence.") At first I didn't realize this was a boilerplate response, so I sent back some more questions, asking, for example, whether they would notify their California customers of the data security breach as required by that state's laws. The second response I got was a copy of the old boilerplate that they were sending out two years ago, blaming "dictionary attacks".

Now, compared to the 1,000 spams I already get every day (pre-filtering), the AmeriTrade spams were just a drop in the bucket, and many of their customers are probably in the same boat. And unlike most AmeriTrade customers, at least I can stop all AmeriTrade spam just by de-activating those addresses, since they aren't used for anything else. (Right now I'm keeping them open just to see what else comes in.) But AmeriTrade's database also contains much more valuable information such as names, PIN numbers (do you use the same PIN number everywhere that you sign up?), and Social Security Numbers. When I signed up for my account, informed by dire warnings that federal law required accurate information "to help the government fight the funding of terrorism and money laundering activities", I gave AmeriTrade my real SSN, address, and other personal data, figuring that if I gave them false information, I might get in more trouble than the experiment was worth. But now that the attacker has my e-mail, they might have all of my other information as well. In the coming months I'll probably start checking my credit report more often than I used to.

Probably someone inside AmeriTrade is selling customer data to an outside spammer. (It seems less likely that an attacker would keep breaking into AmeriTrade repeatedly to get updated copies of the customer list. Once you've broken in and gotten the customer database from 2006, why bother breaking in a year later, taking the risk all over again of getting caught and going to jail, just to get the updated 2007 database? Surely the 2006 list would be enough to run any pump-and-dump stock scam that you want!) Two suggestions to AmeriTrade to tighten their security: First, the number of people within the company who can access the customer database, is probably a lot larger than the number who actually need to access the customer database. Limit access to the e-mail database to people who actually need it. Second, in any cases where different employees really need to have access to the list, try giving them different versions of it, where each version is "seeded" with spamtrap addresses at Hotmail and Yahoo Mail. If the spamtrap addresses that start receiving spam are all ones that were used to seed one particular employee's copy of the list, then you've found the source of the leak. That won't stop the spam being sent to addresses that have already been stolen, but it could prevent further leaks from happening.

The SEC recently announced that they would suspend trading of companies whose stocks had been the target of spam campaigns to manipulate the price. Perhaps AmeriTrade could do something similar -- once a stock is identified as being promoted in spams sent to AmeriTrade customers, any customer attempting to buy that stock would be presented with a message saying that AmeriTrade was blocking the transaction for security reasons. (If this runs afoul of some SEC regulation that a brokerage has to let you buy any stock you want any time you want, then at least display a big warning when AmeriTrade users try to buy it through their system, saying that the stock has been the subject of a fraudulent promotion scheme and is an extremely high-risk buy.) However, while this would remove the incentive for stock spammers to target AmeriTrade customers, it's also really just covering up a symptom of the problem, rather than addressing the problem itself, which is that a spammer was able to steal the customer information from AmeriTrade's database in the first place.

But whatever they do, AmeriTrade should stop blowing off the people who complain about the spam, with messages about "dictionary attacks" and "botnets". When customers create specialized spamtrap addresses to detect if their e-mails ever get leaked, those are the tech-savvy customers who (a) know what they're doing, and (b) hate spam more than most people, and giving them misleading information is just poking a stick in their eye. Not a smart move when AmeriTrade has been leaking private customer information and is based, as their name indicates, in the most litigious country in the history of the world.

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  • Hrm. by grub (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @10:53AM
    • Re:Hrm. (Score:5, Interesting)

      If you run your own mail server, set up a subdomain where every address goes to your inbox.... That way, it's fairly obvious when you get spam to ameritrade.com@bills.mydomain.com. I caught EmigrantDirect that way, although I was simply shocked when they never responded to my e-mail about it.
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      • Re:Hrm. by grub (Score:3) Wednesday May 30, @11:08AM
        • Re:Hrm. by rherbert (Score:3) Wednesday May 30, @11:22AM
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        • Re:Hrm. by omeomi (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @11:23AM
        • Re:Hrm. by nemesisj (Score:1) Wednesday May 30, @12:54PM
        • Re:Hrm. by oyenstikker (Score:3) Wednesday May 30, @01:21PM
      • Re:Hrm. (Score:4, Insightful)

        by CastrTroy (595695) on Wednesday May 30, @11:13AM (#19322993)
        (http://www.kibbee.ca/)
        I used to do that, but found that I got a lot of extra spam from people just sending email to random addresses at my domain. It was too much trouble so, I went back to configuring my addresses individually. That way it's easier to block certain addresses when they get too much spam, and you know who is sending you the spam.
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        • Re:Hrm. by greed (Score:3) Wednesday May 30, @01:51PM
          • Re:Hrm. by sumdumass (Score:2) Thursday May 31, @05:48PM
        • Re:Hrm. (Score:4, Insightful)

          by bill_mcgonigle (4333) * on Wednesday May 30, @02:39PM (#19326161)
          (http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday August 07, @06:50PM)
          I used to do that, but found that I got a lot of extra spam from people just sending email to random addresses at my domain.

          Did you use a subdomain like the GP suggested? I've had plenty of dictionary attacks of the form foo@example.com, but there's no way, other than a harvester, to know about foo@bar.example.com.
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          • Re:Hrm. by CastrTroy (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @03:23PM
            • Re:Hrm. by Captain Splendid (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @03:37PM
            • Re:Hrm. by bill_mcgonigle (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @04:04PM
          • Re:Hrm. by Fulcrum of Evil (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @04:17PM
            • Re:Hrm. by bill_mcgonigle (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @04:26PM
              • Re:Hrm. by Fulcrum of Evil (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @04:34PM
              • Re:Hrm. by bill_mcgonigle (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @04:39PM
              • Re:Hrm. by hysterion (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @07:26PM
          • Tagged addresses by wastholm (Score:1) Thursday May 31, @02:51AM
        • Prefix with initials? by 6Yankee (Score:3) Wednesday May 30, @03:22PM
        • Re:Hrm. by kasperd (Score:1) Wednesday May 30, @03:23PM
      • Re:Hrm. by Overzeetop (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @12:12PM
      • Re:Hrm. by antdude (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @01:40PM
        • Re:Hrm. by Mean Variance (Score:1) Wednesday May 30, @02:38PM
          • Re:Hrm. by DarkAxi0m (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @06:51PM
            • Re:Hrm. by space_in_your_face (Score:1) Thursday May 31, @01:45AM
        • Re:Hrm. by melandy (Score:1) Wednesday May 30, @03:31PM
          • Re:Hrm. by antdude (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @03:43PM
            • Re:Hrm. by melandy (Score:1) Wednesday May 30, @06:35PM
              • Re:Hrm. by mgv (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @10:25PM
      • Re:Hrm. by diagonti (Score:1) Wednesday May 30, @01:48PM
      • A slightly less technical solution by mgcarley (Score:1) Thursday May 31, @06:13AM
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    • If you create throwaway addresses, don't forget to disable any catchall address so you don't get bombarded with 50 addresses worth of spam!
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      • Re:Hrm. by grub (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @11:26AM
        • Re:Hrm. by The MAZZTer (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @08:08PM
    • Re:Hrm. (Score:5, Interesting)

      by It doesn't come easy (695416) * on Wednesday May 30, @12:11PM (#19323899)
      (Last Journal: Friday November 11 2005, @08:56AM)
      On the other hand, I also use TDWaterhouse and I also always use a unique email address for every system where I have an account, including for TDWaterhouse. And at the same time TDWaterhouse combined with Ameritrade, I started getting pump & dump stock scams sent to my TDWaterhouse email address (which was the same email address I was using before TDWaterhhouse and Ameritrade combined). It seems to me that pretty much confirms that Ameritrade has some kind of ONGOING security problem. And since access to my TDWaterhouse (now TDAmeritrade) account means access to my money, I will be moving my accounts ASAP.
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      • Re:Hrm. (Score:5, Interesting)

        by LoadStar (532607) on Wednesday May 30, @12:37PM (#19324317)
        I opened a TD Ameritrade account a couple of months ago, and I too started getting slammed with pump-and-dump spam. The problem for me is that I went IN PERSON to a TD Ameritrade branch and opened the account, so it's not like a "man in the middle" attack, unless this hypothetical man in the middle is actually opening up brick-and-mortar branches.

        I was simply using the account to hold the relatively small stock portfolio I have, so I have no problem moving my account elsewhere.
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        • Re:Hrm. by SRA8 (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @10:57PM
      • Re:Hrm. by pdboddy (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @02:57PM
        • HMMM by hurfy (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @03:44PM
      • Re:Hrm. (Score:5, Interesting)

        by NatasRevol (731260) on Wednesday May 30, @02:57PM (#19326481)
        (Last Journal: Monday November 21 2005, @12:45PM)
        Why does everyone assume it's a security problem?

        Why can't it be a revenue stream problem? ie they're selling the addresses?
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      • Re:Hrm. by It doesn't come easy (Score:3) Wednesday May 30, @06:54PM
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    • Re:Hrm. by hedwards (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @01:04PM
      • Re:Hrm. by hedwards (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @01:18PM
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    • Protip: if you run your own mail server generate a whack of aliases (ie: bogus000 through bogus999) so you always have a disposable address available.

      Even easier: just go to Spamgourmet.com [spamgourmet.com] and set up an account there (takes about 15 seconds, seriously), and then you can use all the addresses you want of the form [someword].youremail@spamgourmet.com.

      E.g., if you're signing up for Ameritrade, you could use the address "ameritradesucks.kadin@spamgourmet.com" (or any other of about 10 different domains, it's not just limited to spamgourmet).

      After each address has forwarded a set number of emails through to your real, hidden address, it will shut off and all further messages will be "eaten." (You can re-activate emails if you want, or set up whitelists so that all email from ameritrade.com gets through.)

      It's a pretty brilliant system, and it's completely free. If you set up an account and use Spamgourmet dummy addresses everywhere, you can almost totally prevent spam arriving directly to your inbox. Also, you can go in later and see which addresses have been flooded with spam (some of mine have received thousands of messages) and see exactly what services are selling out out. Very cool.
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    • Re:Hrm. by Bellum Aeternus (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @02:50PM
    • This isn't new.... by queenb**ch (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @03:36PM
    • Re:Hrm. by maxume (Score:1) Wednesday May 30, @09:45PM
    • Re:Hrm. by MicklePickle (Score:1) Wednesday May 30, @11:03PM
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  • Phew! (Score:5, Funny)

    by CrazyTalk (662055) on Wednesday May 30, @10:54AM (#19322687)
    I'm as guilty as the next person for not always RTFA, but his is the first time I couldn't even make it through the posting
    • Re:Phew! by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @11:10AM
      • Re:Phew! by snoyberg (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @12:47PM
      • Re:Phew! by Paradise Pete (Score:1) Wednesday May 30, @02:31PM
        • Re:Phew! by QuesarVII (Score:1) Thursday May 31, @04:04PM
    • Re:Phew! by Paradoks (Score:1) Wednesday May 30, @11:19AM
      • Re:Phew! (Score:4, Insightful)

        This doesn't make a damn bit of sense. Why would customer's email address be sitting out on a server that "other people can see and may gain access to"?

        There's a word for that, it's 'incompetence.'

        If they're they stupid about handling email addresses, what makes you think that the rest of your personal information is being protected any better? There's absolutely no reason why this should be happening. Something is very, very wrong at Ameritrade, and as evidenced by the fact that they haven't done anything, my suspicion is that they either can't, or don't know how to. That's not a good thing.

        It's inexcusable.

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    • Re:Phew! by mythar (Score:1) Wednesday May 30, @01:18PM
    • Re:Phew! by David_W (Score:3) Wednesday May 30, @02:08PM
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  • Solution? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by daeg (828071) on Wednesday May 30, @10:55AM (#19322691)
    Drop AmeriTrade. I did and couldn't be happier. I couldn't trust my stock (and thus, some of my savings and part of my future financial well-being) to a company that can't even keep an e-mail address secure.
    • Re:Solution? by dbzero (Score:1) Wednesday May 30, @01:52PM
    • Re:Solution? by Anonymous Coward (Score:3) Wednesday May 30, @02:12PM
      • Re:Solution? by Danny Rathjens (Score:2) Thursday May 31, @02:47AM
    • Re:Solution? by bcrowell (Score:3) Wednesday May 30, @08:24PM
      • Re:Solution? by daeg (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @08:48PM
      • Re:Solution? by Danny Rathjens (Score:2) Thursday May 31, @02:52AM
        • Re:Solution? by bcrowell (Score:1) Thursday May 31, @07:46PM
          • Re:Solution? by Danny Rathjens (Score:2) Friday June 01, @01:23PM
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  • Abusable fix? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Ruprecht the Monkeyb (680597) on Wednesday May 30, @10:55AM (#19322715)

    Perhaps AmeriTrade could do something similar -- once a stock is identified as being promoted in spams sent to AmeriTrade customers, any customer attempting to buy that stock would be presented with a message saying that AmeriTrade was blocking the transaction for security reasons. (If this runs afoul of some SEC regulation that a brokerage has to let you buy any stock you want any time you want, then at least display a big warning when AmeriTrade users try to buy it through their system, saying that the stock has been the subject of a fraudulent promotion scheme and is an extremely high-risk buy.)


    Wouldn't this also be abusable? Pick a stock, short it, spam the hell out of everybody, watch Ameritrade or whoever blacklist it, and watch the price drop.
  • As someone who has used both Ameritrade, Etrade and Banc of America for stock trading I would say stick with a company who has more on the line than just a Web 1.0 company. Bricks and mortar Bank of America is not going to fuck over customers to get 10 bucks an email address and their security is run through a group of people who have to protect 100's of billions of dollars. It might cost more but you will sleep better at night.
  • by hksld99 (1097707) on Wednesday May 30, @11:00AM (#19322795)

    I have been a long time AmeriTrade customer and, like the author, used a unique email address for my AmeriTrade account. I never received any spam on that email address until a few weeks after the TD Waterhouse merger last year. Suddenly I started getting tons of pump&dump spam on that address.

    Checking the "privacy" settings in my account revealed that somehow my account had been changed from "opt-out everything" to "opt-in everything" -- certainly not by me. I changed everything back to opt-out, assigned a new email address and have not received any spam on that new address since then. The old email address keeps getting spam, so I am hard-filtering it on my SMTP server now.

    To me it looks like the TD Waterhouse merger triggered a change in their privacy policy or account handling that caused "opt-in" to be set on at least some accounts.

  • In related news (Score:5, Funny)

    by eebra82 (907996) on Wednesday May 30, @11:01AM (#19322807)
    (http://www.insidebet.com/)
    I am shocked to say that after signing up to a news letter on a few porn sites, I am now receiving non-porn content e-mails.
  • I doubt email addresses (Score:4, Insightful)

    by sholden (12227) on Wednesday May 30, @11:02AM (#19322821)
    (http://sam.holden.id.au/)
    count as a big enough leak to trigger disclosure laws. If they are just selling email addresses without any other personal details they may be violating there privacy policy but probably not disclosure laws.
  • gmail mail tracking trick (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TheGreatOrangePeel (618581) on Wednesday May 30, @11:06AM (#19322871)
    (http://www.dealslab.com/)

    Gmail has got a neat trick you can use to learn who sells your email address...

    If your email is xyz@gmail.com and you're registering at site ABC, you can register at that site with the email address xyz+ABC@gmail.com. Gmail still delivers it to you and at the same time allows you to see who sold your email information.

  • Other explanations (Score:4, Interesting)

    The test you did is not conclusive by any means. You must also prove that the address was never exposed in any other way (stolen by malware on your machine, leaked through other communications, sold by a corrupt mail server administrator, etc), OR you need to find conclusive evidence that the leaked address came from the company's end.

    I've seen addresses turn up in spam that I wouldn't have believed if I hadn't seen it.

    Now, if you are able to confirm that several addreses created by different people & never shared get similar scams that addresses not given to the company DO NOT get, then that might be something interesting.
  • by TheWoozle (984500) on Wednesday May 30, @11:09AM (#19322949)
    I always assume that any business that I give my e-mail address to will sell it; that's why I don't give it out. Surprisingly enough, I don't get any spam.

    This is why many pundits are saying "email is broken"; and it makes sense if you think about it. The setting up of different accounts for each company/person you interact with goes against the whole point of having an e-mail *address* (i.e., a not-too-frequently-changing place to find you).

    Really, the spam problem is a symptom of human nature (look up "tragedy of the commons"), and if any of you think you have the secret of changing *that*, then please share...
  • It's not always the company -- by foolinator (Score:1) Wednesday May 30, @11:09AM
  • A way to kill the competition! by DoohickeyJones (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @11:11AM
  • Strangely enough (Score:4, Informative)

    by zappepcs (820751) on Wednesday May 30, @11:11AM (#19322983)
    (Last Journal: Friday May 18 2007, @11:07AM)
    I met someone not long ago that wanted some DB work. They were wanting to organize and sell phone numbers, street addresses, email addresses, and they attempt to collect/gather as much meta information as possible. Various relationships tell them whether you are a good target for any given spam type email or direct mail campaign.

    Someone with your address on their list will try to sell it for $.50 or up to $5/10 if they can get it providing it is a valid address. There is money in selling such information. THAT is why you get spam. If they could figure out how to make all drivers of any vehicle made before 2000 as they drive down the highway, people would sell that to autodealers... Its all about Ad revenues, and your email address is just another pageview sort of thing for people buying the lists.

    There is no method to prevent this. If one person at company X illegally sells a list of clients of that company, it will be out in the wild, nothing to stop it from being resold dozens of times.
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  • I almost always do this by Yaksha42 (Score:1) Wednesday May 30, @11:12AM
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  • long time customer (Score:4, Interesting)

    by hb253 (764272) on Wednesday May 30, @11:13AM (#19323001)
    Lone anecdotal datapoint: I'm a long time TD Ameritrade customer. I don't get any spam to the email address I've registered with them.
  • There's another possibility (Score:5, Informative)

    by drgroove (631550) on Wednesday May 30, @11:13AM (#19323007)
    AmeriTrade is simply selling your information to third parties.

    Dell does this. I know this for a fact - I gave Dell my information while setting up a business account for a small consultancy that I was running a few years back out of my house. I hadn't yet formalized the business legally, but gave Dell the name that I was going to use for my business. Within weeks, I began to receive snail-mail spam using the business address that I had only given to Dell. No one within Dell was stealing my information - Dell sells information about their customers to make a buck.

    AmeriTrade very likely does the same thing. After you give your email, snail mail, phone, etc info to them, they turn around and earn a buck or two by selling your information to other companies.
  • Never attribute to malice... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by JoeD (12073) on Wednesday May 30, @11:15AM (#19323033)
    (http://www.cws.org/~joed)
    ...what can be explained by stupidity.

    It's possible that Ameritrade itself is selling the email addresses. What's their privacy policy?

    In large companies, it's very easy for someone in one division to do something that people in other divisions don't know about.
  • Seems to be a consistent problem by chrisgagne (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @11:16AM
    • Good point by paladinwannabe2 (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @11:55AM
    • A fourth option (Score:4, Insightful)

      by gr8_phk (621180) on Wednesday May 30, @12:26PM (#19324163)
      d) your own machine has malware on it that intercepted the address.
      Don't assume that because you know about malware and run a couple programs to prevent or eradicate it, that you don't have any. Now if you're not running an MS operating system, the likelihood of this is nearly zero, but no matter what you do it's never actually zero. Just very close.
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  • Domain. by MoOsEb0y (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @11:23AM
  • Who's spamming me by genecutl (Score:1) Wednesday May 30, @11:25AM
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  • As you can see... by BandwidthHog (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @11:25AM
  • Probably someone inside AmeriTrade is selling customer data to an outside spammer

    That would be my guess. There's probably not a whole lot Ameritrade (or any company) can do about it other than figure out a way to deeply restrict access to the email addresses. But when you need customer service/marketing/administration departments to have access to customer's email addresses, it can get a little hairy.

    I can remember back in '99 going to work for a rather large ISP. My first day there they created an email account for me. After four days of orientation and I started to actually do work, I checked my email and found it loaded with spam. This account had been on no mass mailings, has had nothing sent out, and had received no communication from within the company. The name wasn't anything close to what you'd find in a dictionary. As far as I could tell, the only way spammers could have gotten their fingers on the address was if someone inside the company was selling the address out.
  • Was this a rigorous test? by ReekRend (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @11:27AM
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  • Customers have no recourse by HangingChad (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @11:31AM
  • No by MagicM (Score:2) Wednesday May 30, @11:33AM
  • Somewhat common problem. Dell.com, too. by spazoid12 (Score:1) Wednesday May 30, @11:35AM
  • by rueger (210566) on Wednesday May 30, @11:40AM (#19323401)
    (http://www.threesquirrels.com/)
    1. Signs up for an Ameritrade account using a unique e-mail address.
    2. Gets pump and dump spam at that address.
    3. Profit!

    The balance of the article:

    a) outlines a variety of conspiratorial possibilities
    b) f