CSS of DVDs Ruled 'Ineffective' by Finnish Courts 222
An anonymous reader writes "The CSS protection used in DVDs has been ruled "ineffective" by Helsinki District Court. This means that CSS is not covered by the Finnish copyright law amendment of 2005 (based on EU Copyright Directive from 2001), allowing it to be freely circumvented. Quoting the press release: ' The conclusions of the court can be applied all over Europe since the word effective comes directly from the directive ... A protection measure is no longer effective, when there is widely available end-user software implementing a circumvention method. My understanding is that this is not technology-dependent. The decision can therefore be applied to Blu-Ray and HD-DVD as well in the future.'"
Catch-22? (Score:5, Interesting)
What this would seem to say to me is that in order to get to the point at which the protection measure is considered to be ineffective, you have to go through a point at which it is not widely available, and you're breaking the law.
Does that seem a bit wrong to anyone else?
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Alright trolls, here's your once-in-a-lifetime chance to have your goatse posts be ontopic.
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I was furiously masturbating to it.
Oh wait, did I say that out loud?
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In other words you can beat a dead horse, just don't beat the horse to death.
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I'm sure there's something missing here and I doubt any of that would really work but we can dream can't we.
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I took from it that if it's widely hacked and in use then it's deemed useless.
Sort of like when everyone started decrypting dv... oh my bad.
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The ruling only means the court will not protect obsolete, weak or otherwise largely compromised DRM schemes. This is a good thing as it will prevent companies from seeking DMCA-like protection for daft/dummy/broken DRM schemes.
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Most current DRM schemes rely on common cryptographic algorithm and secret keys, nothing copyrightable and very little (if anything) patentable there. Uncover the root keys and you can blow all DRM wide-open because pretty much everything else is non-patentable/copyrightable
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Re:Catch-22? (Score:5, Insightful)
If a crack is available openly in places where it is legal, and you can get to those cracks from within a country where it is illegal, then I could still come to the conclusion that the protection is ineffecetive simply because anyone who wanted to circumvent it would trivially be able to, even if no laws in that country had yet been broken.
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Unless you can develop and distribute the countermeasure in a time (e.g. prior to the passing of the DMCA-like law) or place (e.g. Antarctica) where it isn't breaking the law.
Finland prohibits people, while standing on Finnish soil, from opening bottles containing genies. The
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Re:Catch-22? (Score:4, Insightful)
No, in the same way watching a DVD disc that someone shoplifted is not the same as actually shoplifting the DVD in the first place.
The judgement seems to be along the lines of "the crack is so widely available, that it's not really even definable as an encryption system anymore". It's like if you leave your front door key under the mat (or in some other insanely obvious place) and then a buglar uses it to open the front door to your house and burgle it. Your insurance company won't normally pay out because effectively, you didn't really lock your door at all.
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I'm sorry, but I am a stranger in a strange land. What is "Catch-22" ?
A novel, for starters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22 [wikipedia.org]
Idiomatically, it means an especially perverse, circular no-win situation. The "catch" in the novel refers to a policy where a soldier may request to be relieved of duty for reasons of insanity; but to wish to avoid war is, the novel notes, the desire of a sane mind. The soldier would have to be crazy to fight, but to attempt to avoid it proves him sane and forces him to fight anyways.
Oh, then we can post his credit card (Score:2)
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I think extending this to BR and HD is a stretch. (Score:5, Insightful)
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The common interpretation here as to what 'effective' means is that it is in fact an access control as opposed to some sort of thing that is not really an access control but which is put forward as such. To use an analogy, if you put the worst lock in the world on a gate (think of a combination lock where the combination is 3), it is effective; if you put a piece of paper on the gate that merely had the word 'lock' on it, trusting to people to respect it as if it were a lock, that would not be. Or
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Isn't there a copy protect flag on CDDA tracks? By that precedent, it would constitute an effective access control, and so CD rippers are illegal.
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Also n.b. that there are distinct offenses for circumventing an access control and circumventing a copy control; they aren't the same. An access control would not let you listen to the CD at all but would let you copy it, if that's possible. (CSS is an access control that doesn't prohibit copying; you can copy the encrypted data from the DVD without circumventing CSS) A copy control would let you listen to the CD but not copy it.
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As for what is a fair use and what isn't, anything can be a fair use, and anything can not be a fair use. It's entirely case by case, without any kind of use automatically fair or automatically unfair. In RIAA v. Diamond, IIRC, the district court found that it could be fair use to space shift, which consisted of a pers
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Fair use is structured as a defense. The plaintiff can ignore fair use unless and until it is invoked by the defendant. Further, the burden is on the defendant to successfully argue fair use. This is appropriate, as he is the one who is claiming th
A U.S. judge would probably be sympathetic! (Score:2)
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This suggests to me that the Finnish precedent is one that would be impossible in the UK. I believe the DMCA has a similar definition.
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Let me suggest, absolutely zero. The problem is that that "effectively controls" is defined in the law and it does not mean what you would like it to mean (or indeed what any sensible person would expect it to mean).
Here is the definition:
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IMHO (IANAL):
It might be if DeCSS software becomes widely enough used.
It might also be in the case of platforms that can ONLY play DVDs by using a player based on DeCSS because the "legitimate licensees" have not seen fit to make anything "legit" available, or if the DeCSS based software becomes more common than the "legit" products.
Oh, this COULD get interesting.
Obligatory Monty Python reference (Score:4, Funny)
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All Over Europe? (Score:5, Informative)
Correct me if i'm wrong, but afaik the meaning of directive is that each member-country has to make their own law, based on these directives. So they must make their own interpretations if the directive, and therefore court rulings cannot make a direct precedence across borders.
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Even though Finnish supreme civil court might come in the future to same conclusion, it's still local precedent applicable in Finland only. Granted, supreme court decisions are as applicable as laws, but it's still country-level judicial decision, not EU-wide. Wait and see.
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Of course you know this means: (Score:2, Funny)
You've crossed the line now, Denmark.
- The Corporate States of America
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Re:Heh, heh, - ooops it was Finland, not Denmark (Score:5, Funny)
I didn't know you Albanians even had Internet access...
Freedom! (Score:2, Funny)
Eat your Freedom Fries, lads! These Finns need Liberatin'!"
CSS? (Score:4, Funny)
Stop! I'm kidding. Put the flamethrowers away!
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But... (Score:2, Interesting)
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Your linkage of unauthorized decryption with violating copyright law is exactly what the "mafiaa" would like for you to believe. You've fallen into their trap. You have lost. Have a nice day.
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An analogue player also makes copies - in the wires and in the air. In an analogue system the wires and air constitutes a delay line so your loudspeakers make an infinite number of copies between the paper cones and your ears. Even echoes off the walls in a room are copies.
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And besides, there are fair use exceptions to copyright law that allow for copies to be made even if they ARE in a fixed medium. Backups are a big one. Yes, it is perfectly legal for you to copy a CD and let your kids use the copy while you keep the original
Re:But... (Score:5, Insightful)
Copyright law spells out how to tell if a use of copyrighted works is infringing or not, and provides a list of examples of non-infringing use.
However, enforcement technology may well prevent you from doing any sort of copying; even what is explicitly provided as an example of allowable use! Bypassing the enforcement technology for this purpose is clearly not a violation of the owners copyright.
So, circumventing the enforcement tech, and violating copyright are two seperate things.
Now, to continue on a slightly different topic... Why should circumvention be illegal in the first place? Copyright law already handles every case where someone who is circumventing the enforcement is doing something you'd classify as wrong. It seems to add redundancy, and more importantly, target a new class of people... namely those who are trying to excersize thier fair-use rights.
I'll leave it up to you to speculate who could want such legislation and why they'd want it. I'm pretty sure you can figure out my thoughts on it, I'll leave you to develop your own.
Re:But... (Score:5, Insightful)
Because the satellite TV companies, and more recently the movie industry, bought up a lot of Senators and Representatives and got some legislation passed?
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The answer you gave is to why it is.
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Why should circumvention be illegal in the first place?
Because if it wasn't, you wouldn't be able to encrypt your personal data (by which I mean any data or content to which you have legal ownership, which of course for the studios does include motion pictures and music albums). The incidental difficulty of keeping data under your control and exercising due diligence to protect that data are an integral part of prosecuting other types of law which come back to data in the Information Age--all of which is only protectable as it pertains to your Intellectual Pr
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This makes it legal to play your DVD's on a Linux box or whatever else and it makes it legal to make backup copies of your own DVD disks to any media you like (both these things were previously violations of the DMCA).
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So which politician... (Score:3, Insightful)
And how did the Europeans get all the good lawmakers anyway? I'm thinking about moving to Finland where copyright seems to make more sense.
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Now, using DeCSS or the thousands of variants of that doesn't require the "authority of the copyright owner." Maybe that same logic the judge used could apply in the US, although the interpretation would be somewhat more strained.
So which politician... (Score:2)
And how did the Europeans get all the good lawmakers anyway? I'm thinking about moving to Finland where copyright seems to make more sense.
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Nothing strange there IMHO, considering the following:
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2) CSS isn't cracked by cornflakes decoder ring or a household tool or generic computer functionality. It held for several years before it was figure
Well, in a democracy (Score:2)
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The precedent sounds rather strange to me though, it's like saying "if enough people are breaking the law, the law doesn't apply".
It sounds pretty reasonable to me. One of the main reasons to have laws is to provide an agreeable structure for a society. If a sizeable chunk of the population is breaking (perhaps it is more illustrative to say "ignoring") law X, that's a good indicator that law X is unnecessary or unwanted. The wisest course of action for the governing body is to repeal such laws because that is what the people want.
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"effective" means "used by copyrightholder" (Score:4, Interesting)
There is a problem with this ruling, as it only takes local law into account, and not the directive. According to the EU "solidarity principle", the interpretation of local laws made because of EU directives should be in line with the directive.
And the InfoSoc directive [eu.int] actually defines "effective technological measures" in article 6.3.
The definition is contrary to common sense. Basically the directive defines "effective technological measures" as "technological measures" used by copyright holders:
You can only get such perverted definitions if you let the copyright holders write the law! I'm glad that Finland will not take part in such a perversion.
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The nice Judges in the Helsinki District Court have decided that, with the wide-spread use of DeCSS, CSS no longer achieves it's objective. So rather than make criminals out of all the Linux users in Finland (- those who don't watch DVDs on their computers) they have rightly stated that DeCSS isn't an effective encryption mechanism, and thus, it isn't any more illegal to bypass the CSS than it would be if the DVD in question were unencrypted.
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Mod parent up! Agreed 100%. It specifically says that the copy c
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As other posters have also pointed out, the "[...] which achieves the protection objective" can be read as though achievement of a protection objective is needed for "technological measures" to be called "effective". However, in the same sentence we can read that even access control or protection by scrambling (which is known not to achieve this objective) is explicitly mentioned as something that can be done to make "technological measures" "effective".
The InfoSoc directive is full of such contradiction
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from: Oxford's
The key phrase here would be "intended result". The manufacture
Well, then (Score:5, Funny)
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It isn't the current situation by any means, but I don't really want laws that force me to always pay for fair use; every once in a while, for stuff I want to watch once, encumbrance is just peachy. (and I realize that this is a hypothetical, as no such price differentiation currently exists)
begone, and to stone turn, old troll (Score:2)
well, the free market is saying they are a bunch of bonehead morons for taking that stance, we'll gin up a magic number with Special Midnight Magic, and screw you.
moral: a weasel without a secret is no threat. make their secret public, and the weasel is just another annoying little pesky bug on the wind. allow access, or folks will find it anyway.
smart ju
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Now don't get me wrong, I hate DRM in all forms, but isn't this just like saying if I lock my door with a lock that is easily pickable, then it's ok for someone to break in?
This is probably true if you think about insurance business. Likewise, trademark law requires the owner to actively defend the trademark.
Of course, the main problem with these analogies is that basic copyright still applies; you can break CSS in order to watch the movie on Linux, but you're not allowed to distribute tons of copies.
Wrong analogy - your house, THEIR key (Score:4, Insightful)
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You can copy the files off your DVD to your hard drive, and view the movie just fine. You can burn those files to another DVD, plop it into DVD drive, and that copy will play.
The only thing CSS does is prevent you from using an *UNLICENSED* player. In other words, CSS forces the manufacturers of DVD players to get a license and play by their rules under
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If you got a playable copy without using a ripper then the DVD wasn't protected in the first place.
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That, and cut off their main revenue stream by fighting back in court. Kill the MAFIAA outright, since they no longer deserve to exist.
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No, in 1999, it was illegal in the United States and possibly some other countries, to do that. In 1999, it was legal in Finland, as well as most other parts of the world. No Finnish laws were broken; as far as Finland was concerned, it became widespread legally -- either by being distributed before it was outlawed in Finland, or by being widely distributed by people outside of Finnish jurisdiction. From